Maybe ford should have been not so quick to walk away from Mazda...

On 12/04/2012 09:13 AM, bob urz wrote:
> http://www.technologytell.com/in-car...-la-auto-show/
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> This would be a great Engine for ford. Sounds like it could be the small
> Diesel that could. They could call it the Eco Soot....
>
> bob

frod have had comparatively good small diesels in europe for at least 25
years. the fact that they won't bring them here, even for commercial
vehicles like the transit connect which is sold as a diesel everywhere
else on the planet, and imported from europe with special gasoline
engines exclusively for our market, is simply ridiculous.


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fact check required

http://www.technologytell.com/in-car...-la-auto-show/

This would be a great Engine for ford. Sounds like it could be the small
Diesel that could. They could call it the Eco Soot....

bob

bob urz wrote:
> http://www.technologytell.com/in-car...-la-auto-show/
>
> This would be a great Engine for ford. Sounds like it could be the small
> Diesel that could. They could call it the Eco Soot....
>
> bob

Might work in the new Escape / Fusion and stop them from catching on fire!!!

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Steve W.

On Dec 1, 8:46*pm, jim beam > wrote:
> On 12/04/2012 09:13 AM, bob urz wrote:
>
> >http://www.technologytell.com/in-car...activ-d-diesel...
>
> > This would be a great Engine for ford. Sounds like it could be the small
> > Diesel that could. They could call it the Eco Soot....
>
> > bob
>
> frod have had comparatively good small diesels in europe for at least 25
> years. *the fact that they won't bring them here, even for commercial
> vehicles like the transit connect which is sold as a diesel everywhere
> else on the planet, and imported from europe with special gasoline
> engines exclusively for our market, is simply ridiculous.

do be glad you don't get a 3 cylinder 1.0 liter "eco boost" mondeo
over there

which does the 0-60mph in about 7385628936537256523645656 seconds

I want an ego boost V-8 and a salary that goes with feeding the beast.

On 2012-12-01, jim beam > wrote:
> frod have had comparatively good small diesels in europe for at least 25
> years. the fact that they won't bring them here, even for commercial
> vehicles like the transit connect which is sold as a diesel everywhere
> else on the planet, and imported from europe with special gasoline
> engines exclusively for our market, is simply ridiculous.

Thank the federal government, the oil companies, and general motors.
Regulation, formulation, and market killer.

On Dec 5, 9:53*pm, Brent > wrote:
> On 2012-12-01, jim beam > wrote:
>
> > frod have had comparatively good small diesels in europe for at least 25
> > years. *the fact that they won't bring them here, even for commercial
> > vehicles like the transit connect which is sold as a diesel everywhere
> > else on the planet, and imported from europe with special gasoline
> > engines exclusively for our market, is simply ridiculous.
>
> Thank the federal government, the oil companies, and general motors.
> Regulation, formulation, and market killer.

you honestly would want more people driving longer thusly crowding
already crowded roads further
and polluting polluting polluting?

On 2012-12-06, AD > wrote:
> On Dec 5, 9:53*pm, Brent > wrote:
>> On 2012-12-01, jim beam > wrote:
>>
>> > frod have had comparatively good small diesels in europe for at least 25
>> > years. *the fact that they won't bring them here, even for commercial
>> > vehicles like the transit connect which is sold as a diesel everywhere
>> > else on the planet, and imported from europe with special gasoline
>> > engines exclusively for our market, is simply ridiculous.
>>
>> Thank the federal government, the oil companies, and general motors.
>> Regulation, formulation, and market killer.
>
> you honestly would want more people driving longer thusly crowding
> already crowded roads further
> and polluting polluting polluting?

I don't even know how you got from what I wrote to your reply.

IMO There are three significant reasons for a lack of light duty Diesels
in the USA:
1) emissions regulations. Just different from europe's enough to be a
pain in the ass without any significant benefit as an end result.
2) Oil companies resist making the fuel that can best meet the emissions
in the USA due to the nature of the oil that is refined in the USA.
3) General motors associated light duty diesel engines with problems
because they decided to turn a gasoline engine into a light duty diesel
engine instead starting from scratch.

To my knowledge these things have not yet been worked out fully.

On Dec 7, 1:54*am, Brent > wrote:
> On 2012-12-06, AD > wrote:
>
> > On Dec 5, 9:53 pm, Brent > wrote:
> >> On 2012-12-01, jim beam > wrote:
>
> >> > frod have had comparatively good small diesels in europe for at least 25
> >> > years. the fact that they won't bring them here, even for commercial
> >> > vehicles like the transit connect which is sold as a diesel everywhere
> >> > else on the planet, and imported from europe with special gasoline
> >> > engines exclusively for our market, is simply ridiculous.
>
> >> Thank the federal government, the oil companies, and general motors.
> >> Regulation, formulation, and market killer.
>
> > you honestly would want more people driving longer thusly crowding
> > already crowded roads further
> > and polluting polluting polluting?
>
> I don't even know how you got from what I wrote to your reply.
>
> IMO There are three significant reasons for a lack of light duty Diesels
> in the USA:
> 1) emissions regulations. Just different from europe's enough to be a
> pain in the ass without any significant benefit as an end result.

people are driving less then they otherwise would

what else could you ask for

On Thu, 6 Dec 2012 22:54:38 +0000 (UTC), Brent
> wrote:

>On 2012-12-06, AD > wrote:
>> On Dec 5, 9:53*pm, Brent > wrote:
>>> On 2012-12-01, jim beam > wrote:
>>>
>>> > frod have had comparatively good small diesels in europe for at least 25
>>> > years. *the fact that they won't bring them here, even for commercial
>>> > vehicles like the transit connect which is sold as a diesel everywhere
>>> > else on the planet, and imported from europe with special gasoline
>>> > engines exclusively for our market, is simply ridiculous.
>>>
>>> Thank the federal government, the oil companies, and general motors.
>>> Regulation, formulation, and market killer.
>>
>> you honestly would want more people driving longer thusly crowding
>> already crowded roads further
>> and polluting polluting polluting?
>
>I don't even know how you got from what I wrote to your reply.
>
>IMO There are three significant reasons for a lack of light duty Diesels
>in the USA:
>1) emissions regulations. Just different from europe's enough to be a
>pain in the ass without any significant benefit as an end result.
>2) Oil companies resist making the fuel that can best meet the emissions
>in the USA due to the nature of the oil that is refined in the USA.
>3) General motors associated light duty diesel engines with problems
>because they decided to turn a gasoline engine into a light duty diesel
>engine instead starting from scratch.
>
>To my knowledge these things have not yet been worked out fully.
>
>


Regarding 1) Surely it can't be that hard to do
2) Could be
3) I really don't think this is a factor anymore, that was YEARS ago
and really, how many people ever even paid that much attention to it
other then the few thousand who bought those cars.

The reason I think they have not "taken off" in the US is because it's
hard to see much benefit to the typical US buyer. Diesels generally
cost more and it takes a lot of miles to earn it back. Not that many
people keep there car that long. Plus the cost of diesel is higher
then gas eliminating a big part of the advantage. Then there is the
performance... by the time you tweak the diesel to get the same
performance as you'd get with a gas engine there's not really much
difference between teh gas engine version of the car and the diesel
version except the diesel costs more to buy, more to maintain, and
saves little, if any gas in real world driving.

This is my not-in-depth view, I've not looked at diesels seriously in
a while so you might be able to prove me wrong on all counts but
that's the impression I have after superficially following lots of
road tests over the years.

On Dec 8, 11:33*am, Ashton Crusher > wrote:
> On Thu, 6 Dec 2012 22:54:38 +0000 (UTC), Brent
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> > wrote:
> >On 2012-12-06, AD > wrote:
> >> On Dec 5, 9:53 pm, Brent > wrote:
> >>> On 2012-12-01, jim beam > wrote:
>
> >>> > frod have had comparatively good small diesels in europe for at least 25
> >>> > years. the fact that they won't bring them here, even for commercial
> >>> > vehicles like the transit connect which is sold as a diesel everywhere
> >>> > else on the planet, and imported from europe with special gasoline
> >>> > engines exclusively for our market, is simply ridiculous.
>
> >>> Thank the federal government, the oil companies, and general motors.
> >>> Regulation, formulation, and market killer.
>
> >> you honestly would want more people driving longer thusly crowding
> >> already crowded roads further
> >> and polluting polluting polluting?
>
> >I don't even know how you got from what I wrote to your reply.
>
> >IMO There are three significant reasons for a lack of light duty Diesels
> >in the USA:
> >1) emissions regulations. Just different from europe's enough to be a
> >pain in the ass without any significant benefit as an end result.
> >2) Oil companies resist making the fuel that can best meet the emissions
> >in the USA due to the nature of the oil that is refined in the USA.
> >3) General motors associated light duty diesel engines with problems
> >because they decided to turn a gasoline engine into a light duty diesel
> >engine instead starting from scratch.
>
> >To my knowledge these things have not yet been worked out fully.
>
> Regarding 1) Surely it can't be that hard to do
> 2) Could be
> 3) I really don't think this is a factor anymore, that was YEARS ago
> and really, how many people ever even paid that much attention to it
> other then the few thousand who bought those cars.
>
> The reason I think they have not "taken off" in the US is because it's
> hard to see much benefit to the typical US buyer. *Diesels generally
> cost more and it takes a lot of miles to earn it back. *Not that many
> people keep there car that long. *Plus the cost of diesel is higher
> then gas eliminating a big part of the advantage. *Then there is the
> performance... by the time you tweak the diesel to get the same
> performance as you'd get with a gas engine there's not really much
> difference between teh gas engine version of the car and the diesel
> version except the diesel costs more to buy, more to maintain, and
> saves little, if any gas in real world driving.

but then there are folks in moderately warm climates that do not
like to rub elbows at the gas station often and given the typical
line at the gas station where I live I could surely relate

not that I'm buying a diesel myself any time soon
cause, on the other hand, it always fun though to see those folks
spending 15 minutes warming up their tractors
not equipped with an autonomous engine pre-warmer to do the 10 minute
drive home :^)

and the menus on pre-warmer integrated into MMI!!! aw my gawd

staying with petrol for now making an occasional joke or two about
tractor drivers