2 weird driving related local news stories in one day

On Thu, 29 Dec 2005 20:42:54 -0800, Scott en Aztlán
> wrote:

>On Thu, 29 Dec 2005 15:15:24 -0600, DTJ > wrote:
>
>>On Thu, 29 Dec 2005 09:10:57 -0800, Scott en Aztlán
> wrote:
>>
>>>Sheyitt, now THAT would suck. Imagine going through your entire life
>>>knowing you ran over your own sister? So now one child is dead and
>>>another is going to be emotionally scarred for life, and all because
>>>the dumb Paki parents were in too big a hurry to unload their SUV.
>>
>>One would hope that nobody TELLS the 2-year old he killed his sister.
>
>What do you suggest? Tell him he never even had a sister?

"She died in a horrible accident when her moronic ****ing parents
killed her, sorry to have to tell you how moronic we are this way."

On 29 Dec 2005 21:01:33 -0800, "Dave" > wrote:

>If Batman would only give away the secrets of his nets to police, we
>could all be safe and alive. But he won't. That makes me wonder how
>far should the cop have to back up if someone charges them with a shiny
>metal object in their hand? Should the cop apologize for bothering
>them and leave? Don't we give cops guns for a reason?

Damn, from one extreme to another. OK, I'll play your game for a
minute. Yes, the cop should back up. He should do everything he can
to avoid shooting his gun. He should try his taser first. He should
try his baton if at all convinced that it may work. In some cases he
should withdraw.

However, yes there are times when he should blow the ****er away and
not think twice.

Are you adult enough to understand the difference?

>This guy was throwing rocks at cars, then gets stopped while walking on
>the freeway, and within 60 seconds of when the cop first encounters
>him, he charges with a screwdriver and gets shot. Exactly what should
>happen.

Yep, everybody brandishing a screwdriver should immediately be shot.
How dare anyone but a trained screwer even dare to handle such a
deadly weapon.

>A screwdriver, knife, and scissors all can easily kill someone. If A.
>Nutjob is willing to go at a cop, who Mr. Nutjob knows has a gun, with
>a screwdriver what will Mr. Nutjob do to someone whom it can safely be
>assumed in California is unarmed?

Yeah yeah, we are tired of hearing that when it comes to people who
shoot cops, so twisting it for this sorry ass argument isn't going to
work.

>Maybe a taser would have worked, but I'll bet there's a reason it
>wasn't used. Or, maybe it was, and the officer involved realized the
>taser wouldn't stop this particular transient.

Then he should have tried one, and if he didn't he should probably
lose his job. If he didn't try one, but has a good reason, then
nothing further should be done.

How about if we stop blindly trusting the police, and start holding
them accountable to the same standards everyone else is?

In the past few weeks I have had the pleasure of dealing with about 5
cops, and the misfortune of dealing with a single **** of a cop and
another asshole cop-wanna-be. That is pretty good, because if I was
black, hispanic, or a teenager, the odds would be about 90% that every
one of them would be an asshole/****. Citizens should be accorded the
rights that liberals are arguing terrorists have, yet people like you
argue that we should have no rights.

Criminals in this country are supposed to get their day in court once
apprehended under appropriate circumstances. That is what protects
you, me and my family from **** cop.

You and I have zero recourse through the legal system when it comes to
**** cop. Some people in society resort in the only way they know how
to, and that is outside the legal system. When cops violate the
public's rights, they put every other cop in danger of serious harm or
death because a certain segment of society will not tolerate being
harassed.

>>>http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/n...sbadshoot.html

>>I got caught in the gazillion-mile backup resulting from this! 2hrs to
>>go some 15 miles.

In article >, newsgroup says:

>Man, that must have sucked!

It sucked big, hairy, stanky, raw, cum-filled, disease-ridden, tick-infested,
leaky-pus-dripping donkey balls.

>No doubt you were stuck in the middle of Camp Pendleton, and couldn't
>even duck off the freeway at an exit to escape the nightmare because
>there ARE no exits! I shudder to think of what that was like...

<twitch>

About 10 mi N of the first exit past CP there was a truck out that
said "Prepare to Stop" ... Uh oh ... I didn't get out of that cluster
fsck 'till I got to the 76, at which point I took that Eastward to
the 15, then the 15 to the 163. Another 15 mins and I could have
been past it, it appears, but I got tired of waiting.

-Kenny

--
Kenneth R. Crudup Sr. SW Engineer, Scott County Consulting, Los Angeles
H: 3630 S. Sepulveda Blvd. #138, L.A., CA 90034-6809 (310) 391-1898

Kenneth Crudup wrote:
> >>>http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/n...sbadshoot.html
>
> >>I got caught in the gazillion-mile backup resulting from this! 2hrs to
> >>go some 15 miles.
>
> In article >, newsgroup says:
>
> >Man, that must have sucked!
>
> It sucked big, hairy, stanky, raw, cum-filled, disease-ridden, tick-infested,
> leaky-pus-dripping donkey balls.

Much like getting stuck behind spilled portable toilets (aka Johhny On
The Spot, or Porta-Potty, if you prefer) on I-405?

> >No doubt you were stuck in the middle of Camp Pendleton, and couldn't
> >even duck off the freeway at an exit to escape the nightmare because
> >there ARE no exits! I shudder to think of what that was like...
>
> <twitch>
>
> About 10 mi N of the first exit past CP there was a truck out that
> said "Prepare to Stop" ... Uh oh ... I didn't get out of that cluster
> fsck 'till I got to the 76, at which point I took that Eastward to
> the 15, then the 15 to the 163. Another 15 mins and I could have
> been past it, it appears, but I got tired of waiting.

The better route, for future reference, is either 76 to Coast Highway
or El Camino Real.

Coast Highway is usually pretty decent from south of Oside to Solana
Beach, definitely not past Via de la Valle.

El Camino Real is easy to Manchester/I-5, really scenic if you want to
take Encinitas Blvd/Rancho Santa Fe/La Bajada/Los Morros/La Granada/Via
De Santa Fe/El Apajo to San Dieguito Rd to either Camino Del
Sur/CA-56/I-15 or Via de la Valle to El Camino Real/Carmel Valley
Rd/The Merge or Via de la Valle to I-5. Okay, not so easy, but it's a
really nice drive usually. Mostly 45-50 mph with a few stop
signs/lights, and you get to see San Diego S6 and S8, IIRC. A warning
is that a single sloth can take you down to 25 mph, but it's rare.

Since that's not my route home anymore, I feel it's safer to share with
the Internet. Now I don't care if it gets too crowded, less traffic on
I-5 to compete with. =)

76 to 15 to 163, ouch. I hope you didn't also get stuck in the hell
that was 163 South near Friars Rd (I-8) that day after a multi-car
accident combined with mall madness. I got stuck there for a good
15-20 minutes heading home.

Dave (Also knows a good burrito shop in almost every part of SD County
north of CA-94)

DTJ wrote:
> On 29 Dec 2005 21:01:33 -0800, "Dave" > wrote:
>
> >If Batman would only give away the secrets of his nets to police, we
> >could all be safe and alive. But he won't. That makes me wonder how
> >far should the cop have to back up if someone charges them with a shiny
> >metal object in their hand? Should the cop apologize for bothering
> >them and leave? Don't we give cops guns for a reason?
>
> Damn, from one extreme to another. OK, I'll play your game for a
> minute. Yes, the cop should back up. He should do everything he can
> to avoid shooting his gun. He should try his taser first. He should
> try his baton if at all convinced that it may work. In some cases he
> should withdraw.
>
> However, yes there are times when he should blow the ****er away and
> not think twice.
>
> Are you adult enough to understand the difference?

I understand the difference, but I also can understand that if I have a
gun, and someone has been throwing rocks at drivers (which has killed
people before) and they're pulling a metal object out and charging me
with it 10 feet can be the difference between shooting them and being
stabbed in the chest.

> >This guy was throwing rocks at cars, then gets stopped while walking on
> >the freeway, and within 60 seconds of when the cop first encounters
> >him, he charges with a screwdriver and gets shot. Exactly what should
> >happen.
>
> Yep, everybody brandishing a screwdriver should immediately be shot.
> How dare anyone but a trained screwer even dare to handle such a
> deadly weapon.

If you're charging a cop on the side of the freeway it's a different
situation than if you're leaving Home Depot. Espescially if you're
doing something as unstable as throwing rocks at people's windshields.

> >A screwdriver, knife, and scissors all can easily kill someone. If A.
> >Nutjob is willing to go at a cop, who Mr. Nutjob knows has a gun, with
> >a screwdriver what will Mr. Nutjob do to someone whom it can safely be
> >assumed in California is unarmed?
>
> Yeah yeah, we are tired of hearing that when it comes to people who
> shoot cops, so twisting it for this sorry ass argument isn't going to
> work.

Mr. Nutjob also matched the description and was later identified as a
person throwing rocks at windshields who was now on the side of a
freeway attacking a cop. Apply it again.

> >Maybe a taser would have worked, but I'll bet there's a reason it
> >wasn't used. Or, maybe it was, and the officer involved realized the
> >taser wouldn't stop this particular transient.
>
> Then he should have tried one, and if he didn't he should probably
> lose his job. If he didn't try one, but has a good reason, then
> nothing further should be done.
>
> How about if we stop blindly trusting the police, and start holding
> them accountable to the same standards everyone else is?

I'm not blindly trusting them, I'm just stating that the facts are
showing a person who was exhibiting hostile behavior was approached by
an officer, who he then attempted to attack. Upon attempting to attack
the officer, who had retreated to behind his car, the officer fired at
the subject twice, hitting him in the center mass as he was trained to
do. I don't see the problem here.

There's been nothing about him even having a taser, and given the
regional budget shortfalls I'd be surprised if he had one available.
Officers here seem to use a taser when available, but I did see a
segment on the news about how quite a few local departments just can't
afford to buy them.

> In the past few weeks I have had the pleasure of dealing with about 5
> cops, and the misfortune of dealing with a single **** of a cop and
> another asshole cop-wanna-be. That is pretty good, because if I was
> black, hispanic, or a teenager, the odds would be about 90% that every
> one of them would be an asshole/****. Citizens should be accorded the
> rights that liberals are arguing terrorists have, yet people like you
> argue that we should have no rights.

I'd say you have the right to stop when you're charging at a cop who
has his gun drawn. Anyone with half a brain knows you shouldn't run at
cops with shiny things in your hands when you're already clearly
breaking another law, and suspected of breaking other laws that are
considered a type of assault.

> Criminals in this country are supposed to get their day in court once
> apprehended under appropriate circumstances. That is what protects
> you, me and my family from **** cop.

Yeah, but always assuming that cops are **** cop makes you as bad as
**** cop, you see?

> You and I have zero recourse through the legal system when it comes to
> **** cop. Some people in society resort in the only way they know how
> to, and that is outside the legal system. When cops violate the
> public's rights, they put every other cop in danger of serious harm or
> death because a certain segment of society will not tolerate being
> harassed.

What are you even talking about by now? Did you read the article in
question?

Dave

On 30 Dec 2005 21:15:08 -0800, "Dave" > wrote:

>I'm not blindly trusting them, I'm just stating that the facts are
>showing a person who was exhibiting hostile behavior was approached by
>an officer, who he then attempted to attack. Upon attempting to attack
>the officer, who had retreated to behind his car, the officer fired at
>the subject twice, hitting him in the center mass as he was trained to
>do. I don't see the problem here.

No, you never see a problem with using deadly force to stop someone
from flipping off a cop, either.

>Yeah, but always assuming that cops are **** cop makes you as bad as
>**** cop, you see?

If I did, it would, but I don't so it isn't.

>> You and I have zero recourse through the legal system when it comes to
>> **** cop. Some people in society resort in the only way they know how
>> to, and that is outside the legal system. When cops violate the
>> public's rights, they put every other cop in danger of serious harm or
>> death because a certain segment of society will not tolerate being
>> harassed.
>
>What are you even talking about by now?

Simple - the blind following that cops enjoy here allow them to
violate our rights left and right because they can always count on
people like you to stand up and shout how reading the article made you
an expert, and you decided it is OK.

DTJ wrote:
> On 30 Dec 2005 21:15:08 -0800, "Dave" > wrote:
>
> >I'm not blindly trusting them, I'm just stating that the facts are
> >showing a person who was exhibiting hostile behavior was approached by
> >an officer, who he then attempted to attack. Upon attempting to attack
> >the officer, who had retreated to behind his car, the officer fired at
> >the subject twice, hitting him in the center mass as he was trained to
> >do. I don't see the problem here.
>
> No, you never see a problem with using deadly force to stop someone
> from flipping off a cop, either.

I have to wonder now who you think I am? I've never said anything like
that, and you're a dirty ****ing liar for accusing me of such.

> >Yeah, but always assuming that cops are **** cop makes you as bad as
> >**** cop, you see?
>
> If I did, it would, but I don't so it isn't.

Then please explain why you're assuming guilty-until-innocent with this
one officer?

> >> You and I have zero recourse through the legal system when it comes to
> >> **** cop. Some people in society resort in the only way they know how
> >> to, and that is outside the legal system. When cops violate the
> >> public's rights, they put every other cop in danger of serious harm or
> >> death because a certain segment of society will not tolerate being
> >> harassed.
> >
> >What are you even talking about by now?
>
> Simple - the blind following that cops enjoy here allow them to
> violate our rights left and right because they can always count on
> people like you to stand up and shout how reading the article made you
> an expert, and you decided it is OK.

In my opinion I don't see any evidence this officer did anything wrong.
If you have any evidence to counter that, other than a blind hatred of
all police, please post it. In this incident there's no evidence
whatsoever that the officer did anything wrong, other than the dead
suspect who had been charging a police officer.

Do you have anything but generalizations and baseless insults to
counter that?

Dave

>> About 10 mi N of the first exit past CP there was a truck out that
>> said "Prepare to Stop" ... Uh oh ... I didn't get out of that cluster
>> fsck 'till I got to the 76, at which point I took that Eastward to
>> the 15, then the 15 to the 163. Another 15 mins and I could have
>> been past it, it appears, but I got tired of waiting.

In article .com>,
"Dave" > says:

>The better route, for future reference, is either 76 to Coast Highway
>or El Camino Real.

My client's in Kearny Mesa, on Balboa near the 163.

>76 to 15 to 163, ouch.

Nah, at 5-5:30, it was moving all the way. I was in triple digits in parts
of the 15 (even the downhills, which Californians have this annoying tendency
to brake on).

>I hope you didn't also get stuck in the hell that was 163 South near Friars
>Rd (I-8) that day

I stay at the Sheraton (ne'e Radisson) there in Mission Valley when I'm
in SD; I've get to have any traffic on the 163 South of Balboa (coming or
going) and I pass that Friars Road traffic, as I get off it on the 8E.

I did make the mistake of trying to get back onto the 163 from Friars
three days before Xmas after leaving the grocery store at 6ish- took me
25 mins to go the 1/2 mile to the expressway entry.

-Kenny

--
Kenneth R. Crudup Sr. SW Engineer, Scott County Consulting, Los Angeles
H: 3630 S. Sepulveda Blvd. #138, L.A., CA 90034-6809 (310) 391-1898

Scott en Aztlán wrote:
> On 2 Jan 2006 18:16:03 -0800, "Dave" > wrote:
>
> >> No, you never see a problem with using deadly force to stop someone
> >> from flipping off a cop, either.
> >
> >I have to wonder now who you think I am? I've never said anything like
> >that, and you're a dirty ****ing liar for accusing me of such.
>
> He probably got you confused with one of the other Daves.

I forgot that not everyone probably knows which Dave uses which email
address. If it was something that simple I'll forgive him. =)

Dave Hogan

Kenneth Crudup wrote:
> >> About 10 mi N of the first exit past CP there was a truck out that
> >> said "Prepare to Stop" ... Uh oh ... I didn't get out of that cluster
> >> fsck 'till I got to the 76, at which point I took that Eastward to
> >> the 15, then the 15 to the 163. Another 15 mins and I could have
> >> been past it, it appears, but I got tired of waiting.
>
> In article .com>,
> "Dave" > says:
>
> >The better route, for future reference, is either 76 to Coast Highway
> >or El Camino Real.
>
> My client's in Kearny Mesa, on Balboa near the 163

Near the In-N-Out? That's my favourite In-N-Out in San Diego.

> >76 to 15 to 163, ouch.
>
> Nah, at 5-5:30, it was moving all the way. I was in triple digits in parts
> of the 15 (even the downhills, which Californians have this annoying tendency
> to brake on).

My pet peeve on I-15 with the hills is the people that pass you at 95
downhill that you then pass cause they're going 50 up the next hill.

> >I hope you didn't also get stuck in the hell that was 163 South near Friars
> >Rd (I-8) that day
>
> I stay at the Sheraton (ne'e Radisson) there in Mission Valley when I'm
> in SD; I've get to have any traffic on the 163 South of Balboa (coming or
> going) and I pass that Friars Road traffic, as I get off it on the 8E.
>
> I did make the mistake of trying to get back onto the 163 from Friars
> three days before Xmas after leaving the grocery store at 6ish- took me
> 25 mins to go the 1/2 mile to the expressway entry.

This was a mix of the shopping, an accident, and rubberneckers.
There's been a few spectacular accidents when traffic is backed up in
the lanes for Friars Rd and someone takes the downhill too fast. I saw
one there about 3 years ago where an F-150 had mounted a Mustang.

Dave