Death to ethanol!

It is of no value. It has raised corn prices (and all the myriad
foods associated with it) by 100% over 1.5 years. It scours engine
components of their protective oil layer. It dries out seals. It
should be abolished.
P.S. Enviroqueers; Lead by example, STOP DRIVING.

BBC;

10 August 2012 Last updated at 09:26 ET
US biofuel production should be suspended, UN says

The United Nations (UN) food agency has called on the United States to
suspend its production of biofuel ethanol.

Under US law, 40% of the corn harvest must be used to make biofuel, a
quota which the UN says could contribute to a food crisis around the
world.

A drought and heatwave across the US has destroyed much of the
country's corn crop, driving up prices.

The US argues that producing much of its own fuel, rather than
importing it, is good for the country.

The latest forecasts from the US Department of Agriculture (USDA)
suggest that this year's corn yield - the amount produced per acre -
will be the lowest since 1995-6.

Total production will be the lowest for six years, it forecast, due to
the extreme heat and dryness.

As a result, the USDA is predicting further rises in prices. It now
thinks farm prices for corn will average $7.50-$8.90 per bushel, a
sharp rise on the $5.40-$6.40 per bushel it predicted just a month
ago.

Writing in the Financial Times, the director general of the United
Nations' Food and Agriculture Organization (FAO), Jose Graziano da
Silva, said suspension of the quota would allow more of the crop to be
diverted for food production.

"The worst drought for 50 years is inflicting huge damage on the US
maize crop, with serious consequences for the overall international
food supply.

"The situation reminds us that even the most advanced agricultural
systems are subject to the vagaries of the weather, leading to
volatility in supplies and prices, not just on domestic markets, but
also internationally."
Cheaper fuel

Concerns about the impact of the dry weather in the US pushed maize
prices up by 23% in July, according to the latest FAO food price
index.

But the US Agriculture Secretary Tom Vilsack said the biofuels
standard was having a positive impact on the country.

"It is impacting in a positive way the cost of gasoline in this
country - some estimates put it at 25 cents to as much as $1.30 less
for gas because we have a biofuel industry.

"There are jobs connected to that industry and less reliance on
foreign oil. The question is: Is the market responding to concerns
about supply and the answer is yes.

"Exports are down just a bit and ethanol production is down from
between 10% and 30%, depending on the part of the country."

By law, 13 billion gallons of biofuel must be produced in the US this
year. The country's Renewable Fuel Standard, as the law is known, was
designed to reduce greenhouse gas emissions and dependence on imported
oil. It has long been controversial, with many blaming the quota for
pushing up corn prices.

The United Nations is not alone in calling for the quota to be
suspended. Livestock producers in the US, worried about the cost of
cattle feed, also want it scrapped and the governments of China, India
and France have expressed concerns about the policy.

On 2012-08-10, RichA > wrote:
> It is of no value. It has raised corn prices (and all the myriad
> foods associated with it) by 100% over 1.5 years. It scours engine
> components of their protective oil layer. It dries out seals. It
> should be abolished.
> P.S. Enviroqueers; Lead by example, STOP DRIVING.

The environment is the excuse. It has nothing to do with
environmentalists. It has to do with big business and the corn lobby.

Corn ethanol is stupid. Sugar cane ethanol works (energy &
economically). But here's the problem, can't make sugar cane ethanol in
the contintal USA because it doesn't grow here. It works nicely for
Brazil. Could work for Hawaii, but Hawaii being part of the USA is stuck
with US politics so they import corn ethanol instead of making their own
locally with sugar cane.


> BBC;
>
> 10 August 2012 Last updated at 09:26 ET
> US biofuel production should be suspended, UN says
>
> The United Nations (UN) food agency has called on the United States to
> suspend its production of biofuel ethanol.

> Under US law, 40% of the corn harvest must be used to make biofuel, a
> quota which the UN says could contribute to a food crisis around the
> world.
(sniP)

Same UN that wants to drive down our standard of living via the climate
change scam.

On 8/11/2012 02:06, Brent wrote:
> On 2012-08-10, RichA > wrote:
>> It is of no value. It has raised corn prices (and all the myriad
>> foods associated with it) by 100% over 1.5 years. It scours engine
>> components of their protective oil layer. It dries out seals. It
>> should be abolished.
>> P.S. Enviroqueers; Lead by example, STOP DRIVING.
>
> The environment is the excuse. It has nothing to do with
> environmentalists. It has to do with big business and the corn lobby.
>
> Corn ethanol is stupid. Sugar cane ethanol works (energy &
> economically). But here's the problem, can't make sugar cane ethanol in
> the contintal USA because it doesn't grow here. It works nicely for
> Brazil. Could work for Hawaii, but Hawaii being part of the USA is stuck
> with US politics so they import corn ethanol instead of making their own
> locally with sugar cane.
>

Say whaa??? You got that Idea from where?? I personally know three
sugarcane farmers here and there are thousands more. There are sugarcane
plantations all over Louisiana.




>
>> BBC;
>>
>> 10 August 2012 Last updated at 09:26 ET
>> US biofuel production should be suspended, UN says
>>
>> The United Nations (UN) food agency has called on the United States to
>> suspend its production of biofuel ethanol.
>
>> Under US law, 40% of the corn harvest must be used to make biofuel, a
>> quota which the UN says could contribute to a food crisis around the
>> world.
> (sniP)
>
> Same UN that wants to drive down our standard of living via the climate
> change scam.
>
>

On 2012-08-11, WindsorFox<SS> > wrote:
> On 8/11/2012 02:06, Brent wrote:
>> On 2012-08-10, RichA > wrote:
>>> It is of no value. It has raised corn prices (and all the myriad
>>> foods associated with it) by 100% over 1.5 years. It scours engine
>>> components of their protective oil layer. It dries out seals. It
>>> should be abolished.
>>> P.S. Enviroqueers; Lead by example, STOP DRIVING.
>>
>> The environment is the excuse. It has nothing to do with
>> environmentalists. It has to do with big business and the corn lobby.
>>
>> Corn ethanol is stupid. Sugar cane ethanol works (energy &
>> economically). But here's the problem, can't make sugar cane ethanol in
>> the contintal USA because it doesn't grow here. It works nicely for
>> Brazil. Could work for Hawaii, but Hawaii being part of the USA is stuck
>> with US politics so they import corn ethanol instead of making their own
>> locally with sugar cane.
>>
>
> Say whaa??? You got that Idea from where?? I personally know three
> sugarcane farmers here and there are thousands more. There are sugarcane
> plantations all over Louisiana.

It was my understanding. If it's wrong, it's wrong.

>>
>>> BBC;
>>>
>>> 10 August 2012 Last updated at 09:26 ET
>>> US biofuel production should be suspended, UN says
>>>
>>> The United Nations (UN) food agency has called on the United States to
>>> suspend its production of biofuel ethanol.
>>
>>> Under US law, 40% of the corn harvest must be used to make biofuel, a
>>> quota which the UN says could contribute to a food crisis around the
>>> world.
>> (sniP)
>>
>> Same UN that wants to drive down our standard of living via the climate
>> change scam.
>>
>>
>

On 8/11/2012 10:20, Brent wrote:
> On 2012-08-11, WindsorFox<SS> > wrote:
>> On 8/11/2012 02:06, Brent wrote:
>>> On 2012-08-10, RichA > wrote:
>>>> It is of no value. It has raised corn prices (and all the myriad
>>>> foods associated with it) by 100% over 1.5 years. It scours engine
>>>> components of their protective oil layer. It dries out seals. It
>>>> should be abolished.
>>>> P.S. Enviroqueers; Lead by example, STOP DRIVING.
>>>
>>> The environment is the excuse. It has nothing to do with
>>> environmentalists. It has to do with big business and the corn lobby.
>>>
>>> Corn ethanol is stupid. Sugar cane ethanol works (energy &
>>> economically). But here's the problem, can't make sugar cane ethanol in
>>> the contintal USA because it doesn't grow here. It works nicely for
>>> Brazil. Could work for Hawaii, but Hawaii being part of the USA is stuck
>>> with US politics so they import corn ethanol instead of making their own
>>> locally with sugar cane.
>>>
>>
>> Say whaa??? You got that Idea from where?? I personally know three
>> sugarcane farmers here and there are thousands more. There are sugarcane
>> plantations all over Louisiana.
>
> It was my understanding. If it's wrong, it's wrong.
>


Mayor of Sugarland Texas on line three for you....

"WindsorFox<SS>" > wrote in message
...
> On 8/11/2012 10:20, Brent wrote:
>> On 2012-08-11, WindsorFox<SS> > wrote:
>>> On 8/11/2012 02:06, Brent wrote:
>>>> On 2012-08-10, RichA > wrote:
>>>>> It is of no value. It has raised corn prices (and all the myriad
>>>>> foods associated with it) by 100% over 1.5 years. It scours engine
>>>>> components of their protective oil layer. It dries out seals. It
>>>>> should be abolished.
>>>>> P.S. Enviroqueers; Lead by example, STOP DRIVING.
>>>>
>>>> The environment is the excuse. It has nothing to do with
>>>> environmentalists. It has to do with big business and the corn lobby.
>>>>
>>>> Corn ethanol is stupid. Sugar cane ethanol works (energy &
>>>> economically). But here's the problem, can't make sugar cane ethanol in
>>>> the contintal USA because it doesn't grow here. It works nicely for
>>>> Brazil. Could work for Hawaii, but Hawaii being part of the USA is
>>>> stuck
>>>> with US politics so they import corn ethanol instead of making their
>>>> own
>>>> locally with sugar cane.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Say whaa??? You got that Idea from where?? I personally know three
>>> sugarcane farmers here and there are thousands more. There are sugarcane
>>> plantations all over Louisiana.
>>
>> It was my understanding. If it's wrong, it's wrong.
>>
>
>
> Mayor of Sugarland Texas on line three for you....

Sugarland Texas is and has been part of urban Houston for decades.

"Brent" > wrote in message
...
> On 2012-08-10, RichA > wrote:
>> It is of no value. It has raised corn prices (and all the myriad
>> foods associated with it) by 100% over 1.5 years. It scours engine
>> components of their protective oil layer. It dries out seals. It
>> should be abolished.
>> P.S. Enviroqueers; Lead by example, STOP DRIVING.
>
> The environment is the excuse. It has nothing to do with
> environmentalists. It has to do with big business and the corn lobby.
>
> Corn ethanol is stupid. Sugar cane ethanol works (energy &
> economically). But here's the problem, can't make sugar cane ethanol in
> the contintal USA because it doesn't grow here. It works nicely for
> Brazil. Could work for Hawaii, but Hawaii being part of the USA is stuck
> with US politics so they import corn ethanol instead of making their own
> locally with sugar cane.

Can't? Louisiana, MS, Texas come to mind. Also sugar beets. My
grandfather ran some of his trucks on ethanol during WWII.

On 2012-08-11, NotMe > wrote:
>
> "Brent" > wrote in message
> ...
>> On 2012-08-10, RichA > wrote:
>>> It is of no value. It has raised corn prices (and all the myriad
>>> foods associated with it) by 100% over 1.5 years. It scours engine
>>> components of their protective oil layer. It dries out seals. It
>>> should be abolished.
>>> P.S. Enviroqueers; Lead by example, STOP DRIVING.
>>
>> The environment is the excuse. It has nothing to do with
>> environmentalists. It has to do with big business and the corn lobby.
>>
>> Corn ethanol is stupid. Sugar cane ethanol works (energy &
>> economically). But here's the problem, can't make sugar cane ethanol in
>> the contintal USA because it doesn't grow here. It works nicely for
>> Brazil. Could work for Hawaii, but Hawaii being part of the USA is stuck
>> with US politics so they import corn ethanol instead of making their own
>> locally with sugar cane.
>
> Can't? Louisiana, MS, Texas come to mind. Also sugar beets. My
> grandfather ran some of his trucks on ethanol during WWII.

Sugar beets will not be as good as sugar cane. What makes sugar cane
ethanol work so well is that another part of the plant fuels the process
to make the ethanol. This way the energy is 100% gain, as opposed to an
energy loss with corn ethanol.

"Brent" > wrote in message
...
> On 2012-08-11, NotMe > wrote:
>>
>> "Brent" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> On 2012-08-10, RichA > wrote:
>>>> It is of no value. It has raised corn prices (and all the myriad
>>>> foods associated with it) by 100% over 1.5 years. It scours engine
>>>> components of their protective oil layer. It dries out seals. It
>>>> should be abolished.
>>>> P.S. Enviroqueers; Lead by example, STOP DRIVING.
>>>
>>> The environment is the excuse. It has nothing to do with
>>> environmentalists. It has to do with big business and the corn lobby.
>>>
>>> Corn ethanol is stupid. Sugar cane ethanol works (energy &
>>> economically). But here's the problem, can't make sugar cane ethanol in
>>> the contintal USA because it doesn't grow here. It works nicely for
>>> Brazil. Could work for Hawaii, but Hawaii being part of the USA is stuck
>>> with US politics so they import corn ethanol instead of making their own
>>> locally with sugar cane.
>>
>> Can't? Louisiana, MS, Texas come to mind. Also sugar beets. My
>> grandfather ran some of his trucks on ethanol during WWII.
>
> Sugar beets will not be as good as sugar cane. What makes sugar cane
> ethanol work so well is that another part of the plant fuels the process
> to make the ethanol. This way the energy is 100% gain, as opposed to an
> energy loss with corn ethanol.

No experience with sugar beets other than folk saying they used them to
'brew' ethanol during WWII to run their vehicles. I know sugar cane works.

Right now I'm playing with duel fuel gas/CNG and diesel/CNG conversions.

On Aug 11, 8:08*pm, Brent > wrote:
> On 2012-08-11, NotMe > wrote:
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> > "Brent" > wrote in message
> ...
> >> On 2012-08-10, RichA > wrote:
> >>> It is of no value. *It has raised corn prices (and all the myriad
> >>> foods associated with it) by 100% over 1.5 years. *It scours engine
> >>> components of their protective oil layer. It dries out seals. *It
> >>> should be abolished.
> >>> P.S. Enviroqueers; *Lead by example, STOP DRIVING.
>
> >> The environment is the excuse. It has nothing to do with
> >> environmentalists. *It has to do with big business and the corn lobby.
>
> >> Corn ethanol is stupid. Sugar cane ethanol works (energy &
> >> economically). But here's the problem, can't make sugar cane ethanol in
> >> the contintal USA because it doesn't grow here. It works nicely for
> >> Brazil. Could work for Hawaii, but Hawaii being part of the USA is stuck
> >> with US politics so they import corn ethanol instead of making their own
> >> locally with sugar cane.
>
> > Can't? *Louisiana, MS, Texas come to mind. *Also sugar beets. *My
> > grandfather ran some of his trucks on ethanol during WWII.
>
> Sugar beets will not be as good as sugar cane. What makes sugar cane
> ethanol work so well is that another part of the plant fuels the process
> to make the ethanol. This way the energy is 100% gain, as opposed to an
> energy loss with corn ethanol.

Anyone who thinks ethanol, from whatever source is FREE or cheap is
INSANE and CLUELESS about the energy USED to produce it.