Gallons! How to tell the fuel computer to use proper UK Gallon

I live in England and we have the Gallon. I imported a US Dodge Grand
Caravan SXT 2007, www.wheelchairdriver.com and its fuel computer is wrong!

It thinks a gallon is about 3.something litres! Instead of 4.54 litres.
Thats a US gallon of course! Our original Gallon is bigger. So...

Since the same ish vehicle is sold here Chrysler voyager, there must be a
way with a combo of button pushes etc to change this! Does anyone know how?

Thanks!

"Burgerman" > wrote in message
...
>I live in England and we have the Gallon. I imported a US Dodge Grand
>Caravan SXT 2007, www.wheelchairdriver.com and its fuel computer is wrong!
>
> It thinks a gallon is about 3.something litres! Instead of 4.54 litres.
> Thats a US gallon of course! Our original Gallon is bigger. So...
>
> Since the same ish vehicle is sold here Chrysler voyager, there must be a
> way with a combo of button pushes etc to change this! Does anyone know
> how?
>
> Thanks!


In the US a Gallon = 4 quarts, in Canada and the UK a Gallon = 5 quarts.

A UK dealer would be your best source for information on this issue. It may
involve a program change in the computer.

Richard

"Richard" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Burgerman" > wrote in message
> ...
>>I live in England and we have the Gallon. I imported a US Dodge Grand
>>Caravan SXT 2007, www.wheelchairdriver.com and its fuel computer is wrong!
>>
>> It thinks a gallon is about 3.something litres! Instead of 4.54 litres.
>> Thats a US gallon of course! Our original Gallon is bigger. So...
>>
>> Since the same ish vehicle is sold here Chrysler voyager, there must be a
>> way with a combo of button pushes etc to change this! Does anyone know
>> how?
>>
>> Thanks!
>
>
> In the US a Gallon = 4 quarts, in Canada and the UK a Gallon = 5 quarts.
>
> A UK dealer would be your best source for information on this issue. It
> may involve a program change in the computer.
>
> Richard
>

No, in a REAL original British Gallon (Imperial Gallon) there are 8 Pints, 4
Quarts or 4.54 litres.

In the US and Cannada your Quarts must be the wrong size too!

I just looked it up! Your pints are smaller as well! So your quarts must be
too...

There are 8 proper pints in a proper gallon.
But there are 9.607 of the US pints in a real gallon!
Does this mean you get less beer too?

A UK Gallon is actually 1.20095 US Gallons.

I will go to a dealer but I suspect they wont know... Its why I asked here.
Someone must have come across this before!

At the risk of getting into semantics....

The Imerial Gallon is 4 quarts also! However the Imperial Quart is 40
fl. oz. - whereas the American Quart is 32 fl. oz.

That makes an Imperial Gallon 160 fl. oz or 4.54 litres, and a US
Gallon 128 fl. oz. or 3.78 litres.

Thank GOD that a fl. oz. is the same in both systems.

And living here in Canada, let me just say that at least the US was
smart enough NOT to go "metric". All that was here in Canada was an
excuse for retailers to rip people off - it was a smoke screeen for
price increases as high as 50% - but almost no one noticed because of
the changes in the measurement systems and the resulting confusion.

I will keep an eye on this thread! I would LOVE to find a way to tell
my on-board computer ro display in Imperial Gallons!

If you find out how, please let us know!

Thanks

On Tue, 10 Jul 2007 15:49:57 -0400, "Richard" >
wrote:

>
>"Burgerman" > wrote in message
...
>>I live in England and we have the Gallon. I imported a US Dodge Grand
>>Caravan SXT 2007, www.wheelchairdriver.com and its fuel computer is wrong!
>>
>> It thinks a gallon is about 3.something litres! Instead of 4.54 litres.
>> Thats a US gallon of course! Our original Gallon is bigger. So...
>>
>> Since the same ish vehicle is sold here Chrysler voyager, there must be a
>> way with a combo of button pushes etc to change this! Does anyone know
>> how?
>>
>> Thanks!
>
>
>In the US a Gallon = 4 quarts, in Canada and the UK a Gallon = 5 quarts.
>
>A UK dealer would be your best source for information on this issue. It may
>involve a program change in the computer.
>
>Richard
>

On Tue, 10 Jul 2007 13:38:40 -0700, NewMan wrote:

> At the risk of getting into semantics....
>
> The Imerial Gallon is 4 quarts also! However the Imperial Quart is 40
> fl. oz. - whereas the American Quart is 32 fl. oz.
>
> That makes an Imperial Gallon 160 fl. oz or 4.54 litres, and a US Gallon
> 128 fl. oz. or 3.78 litres.
>
> Thank GOD that a fl. oz. is the same in both systems.
>
> And living here in Canada, let me just say that at least the US was
> smart enough NOT to go "metric". All that was here in Canada was an
> excuse for retailers to rip people off - it was a smoke screeen for
> price increases as high as 50% - but almost no one noticed because of
> the changes in the measurement systems and the resulting confusion.
>
> I will keep an eye on this thread! I would LOVE to find a way to tell my
> on-board computer ro display in Imperial Gallons!
>
> If you find out how, please let us know!
>
> Thanks
>
> On Tue, 10 Jul 2007 15:49:57 -0400, "Richard" >
> wrote:
>
>
>>"Burgerman" > wrote in message
...
>>>I live in England and we have the Gallon. I imported a US Dodge Grand
>>>Caravan SXT 2007, www.wheelchairdriver.com and its fuel computer is
>>>wrong!
>>>
>>> It thinks a gallon is about 3.something litres! Instead of 4.54
>>> litres. Thats a US gallon of course! Our original Gallon is bigger.
>>> So...
>>>
>>> Since the same ish vehicle is sold here Chrysler voyager, there must
>>> be a way with a combo of button pushes etc to change this! Does anyone
>>> know how?
>>>
>>> Thanks!
>>
>>
>>In the US a Gallon = 4 quarts, in Canada and the UK a Gallon = 5 quarts.
>>
>>A UK dealer would be your best source for information on this issue. It
>>may involve a program change in the computer.
>>
>>Richard
>>

The American gallon is actually older then the Imperial gallon. The
American gallon is the British wine gallon which was standardized by
Parliament in 1707. The Imperial gallon was introduced in 1824 as a
replacement for the many different gallons that were in use in England at
the time.

The American system of fluid measures is binary which makes more sense in
a digital world then the metric system which is base 10, or the Imperial
gallon which has a decimal pint (although that's nice in a pub when you
order a pint of ale).

ounce = 2 tablespoons
gill = 4 ounces
cup = 8 ounces
pint = 16 ounces
quart = 32 ounces
gallon = 128 ounces

The mile is also a binary measure, it's 8 furlongs. The Roman mile was
5000 feet which is a good round decimal number. Queen Elisabeth changed
it to 8 furlongs. Unfortunately she didn't bother to binaryize the other
length measures, they are a mismash of 12s and 5s, i.e. a furlong is 12 *
12 * 5 * 5 inches.

"General Schvantzkoph" > wrote in message
news
> On Tue, 10 Jul 2007 13:38:40 -0700, NewMan wrote:
>
>> At the risk of getting into semantics....
>>
>> The Imerial Gallon is 4 quarts also! However the Imperial Quart is 40
>> fl. oz. - whereas the American Quart is 32 fl. oz.
>>
>> That makes an Imperial Gallon 160 fl. oz or 4.54 litres, and a US Gallon
>> 128 fl. oz. or 3.78 litres.
>>
>> Thank GOD that a fl. oz. is the same in both systems.
>>
>> And living here in Canada, let me just say that at least the US was
>> smart enough NOT to go "metric". All that was here in Canada was an
>> excuse for retailers to rip people off - it was a smoke screeen for
>> price increases as high as 50% - but almost no one noticed because of
>> the changes in the measurement systems and the resulting confusion.
>>
>> I will keep an eye on this thread! I would LOVE to find a way to tell my
>> on-board computer ro display in Imperial Gallons!
>>
>> If you find out how, please let us know!
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> On Tue, 10 Jul 2007 15:49:57 -0400, "Richard" >
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>"Burgerman" > wrote in message
...
>>>>I live in England and we have the Gallon. I imported a US Dodge Grand
>>>>Caravan SXT 2007, www.wheelchairdriver.com and its fuel computer is
>>>>wrong!
>>>>
>>>> It thinks a gallon is about 3.something litres! Instead of 4.54
>>>> litres. Thats a US gallon of course! Our original Gallon is bigger.
>>>> So...
>>>>
>>>> Since the same ish vehicle is sold here Chrysler voyager, there must
>>>> be a way with a combo of button pushes etc to change this! Does anyone
>>>> know how?
>>>>
>>>> Thanks!
>>>
>>>
>>>In the US a Gallon = 4 quarts, in Canada and the UK a Gallon = 5 quarts.
>>>
>>>A UK dealer would be your best source for information on this issue. It
>>>may involve a program change in the computer.
>>>
>>>Richard
>>>
>
> The American gallon is actually older then the Imperial gallon. The
> American gallon is the British wine gallon which was standardized by
> Parliament in 1707. The Imperial gallon was introduced in 1824 as a
> replacement for the many different gallons that were in use in England at
> the time.
>
> The American system of fluid measures is binary which makes more sense in
> a digital world then the metric system which is base 10, or the Imperial
> gallon which has a decimal pint (although that's nice in a pub when you
> order a pint of ale).
>
> ounce = 2 tablespoons
> gill = 4 ounces
> cup = 8 ounces
> pint = 16 ounces
> quart = 32 ounces
> gallon = 128 ounces
>
> The mile is also a binary measure, it's 8 furlongs. The Roman mile was
> 5000 feet which is a good round decimal number. Queen Elisabeth changed
> it to 8 furlongs. Unfortunately she didn't bother to binaryize the other
> length measures, they are a mismash of 12s and 5s, i.e. a furlong is 12 *
> 12 * 5 * 5 inches.


I stand corrected! But how do I convert the Dodge Caravan to real (ok
British!) Gallons!

Anyone???

On Tue, 10 Jul 2007 23:48:33 +0000, Burgerman wrote:

> "General Schvantzkoph" > wrote in message
> news
>> On Tue, 10 Jul 2007 13:38:40 -0700, NewMan wrote:
>>
>>> At the risk of getting into semantics....
>>>
>>> The Imerial Gallon is 4 quarts also! However the Imperial Quart is 40
>>> fl. oz. - whereas the American Quart is 32 fl. oz.
>>>
>>> That makes an Imperial Gallon 160 fl. oz or 4.54 litres, and a US
>>> Gallon 128 fl. oz. or 3.78 litres.
>>>
>>> Thank GOD that a fl. oz. is the same in both systems.
>>>
>>> And living here in Canada, let me just say that at least the US was
>>> smart enough NOT to go "metric". All that was here in Canada was an
>>> excuse for retailers to rip people off - it was a smoke screeen for
>>> price increases as high as 50% - but almost no one noticed because of
>>> the changes in the measurement systems and the resulting confusion.
>>>
>>> I will keep an eye on this thread! I would LOVE to find a way to tell
>>> my on-board computer ro display in Imperial Gallons!
>>>
>>> If you find out how, please let us know!
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>>
>>> On Tue, 10 Jul 2007 15:49:57 -0400, "Richard" >
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>"Burgerman" > wrote in message
...
>>>>>I live in England and we have the Gallon. I imported a US Dodge Grand
>>>>>Caravan SXT 2007, www.wheelchairdriver.com and its fuel computer is
>>>>>wrong!
>>>>>
>>>>> It thinks a gallon is about 3.something litres! Instead of 4.54
>>>>> litres. Thats a US gallon of course! Our original Gallon is bigger.
>>>>> So...
>>>>>
>>>>> Since the same ish vehicle is sold here Chrysler voyager, there must
>>>>> be a way with a combo of button pushes etc to change this! Does
>>>>> anyone know how?
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>In the US a Gallon = 4 quarts, in Canada and the UK a Gallon = 5
>>>>quarts.
>>>>
>>>>A UK dealer would be your best source for information on this issue.
>>>>It may involve a program change in the computer.
>>>>
>>>>Richard
>>>>
>>>>
>> The American gallon is actually older then the Imperial gallon. The
>> American gallon is the British wine gallon which was standardized by
>> Parliament in 1707. The Imperial gallon was introduced in 1824 as a
>> replacement for the many different gallons that were in use in England
>> at the time.
>>
>> The American system of fluid measures is binary which makes more sense
>> in a digital world then the metric system which is base 10, or the
>> Imperial gallon which has a decimal pint (although that's nice in a pub
>> when you order a pint of ale).
>>
>> ounce = 2 tablespoons
>> gill = 4 ounces
>> cup = 8 ounces
>> pint = 16 ounces
>> quart = 32 ounces
>> gallon = 128 ounces
>>
>> The mile is also a binary measure, it's 8 furlongs. The Roman mile was
>> 5000 feet which is a good round decimal number. Queen Elisabeth changed
>> it to 8 furlongs. Unfortunately she didn't bother to binaryize the
>> other length measures, they are a mismash of 12s and 5s, i.e. a furlong
>> is 12 * 12 * 5 * 5 inches.
>
>
> I stand corrected! But how do I convert the Dodge Caravan to real (ok
> British!) Gallons!
>
> Anyone???

Have you checked with a dealer? If they sell the car in the UK then there
must be UK firmware, I doubt they have different electronics but they
would have different firmware.

"NewMan" > wrote in message
...
> At the risk of getting into semantics....
>
> The Imerial Gallon is 4 quarts also! However the Imperial Quart is 40
> fl. oz. - whereas the American Quart is 32 fl. oz.
>
> That makes an Imperial Gallon 160 fl. oz or 4.54 litres, and a US
> Gallon 128 fl. oz. or 3.78 litres.


But since we invented Gallons and the US only took it over (Like English) we
are right and the guys selling you short measures many years ago are
responsible for your mistake!


>
> Thank GOD that a fl. oz. is the same in both systems.


Well yes! How did that happen!

>
> And living here in Canada, let me just say that at least the US was
> smart enough NOT to go "metric". All that was here in Canada was an
> excuse for retailers to rip people off - it was a smoke screeen for
> price increases as high as 50% -

Well the intelligent shopkepers and industry in general just took advantage
of the averagely bright canadian then. You cant blame the measurement
systems.

but almost no one noticed because of
> the changes in the measurement systems and the resulting confusion.
>
> I will keep an eye on this thread! I would LOVE to find a way to tell
> my on-board computer ro display in Imperial Gallons!


Well me too! Thats why I started it. I find it frustrating...

>
> If you find out how, please let us know!
>
> Thanks
>
> On Tue, 10 Jul 2007 15:49:57 -0400, "Richard" >
> wrote:
>
>>
>>"Burgerman" > wrote in message
...
>>>I live in England and we have the Gallon. I imported a US Dodge Grand
>>>Caravan SXT 2007, www.wheelchairdriver.com and its fuel computer is
>>>wrong!
>>>
>>> It thinks a gallon is about 3.something litres! Instead of 4.54 litres.
>>> Thats a US gallon of course! Our original Gallon is bigger. So...
>>>
>>> Since the same ish vehicle is sold here Chrysler voyager, there must be
>>> a
>>> way with a combo of button pushes etc to change this! Does anyone know
>>> how?
>>>
>>> Thanks!
>>
>>
>>In the US a Gallon = 4 quarts, in Canada and the UK a Gallon = 5 quarts.
>>
>>A UK dealer would be your best source for information on this issue. It
>>may
>>involve a program change in the computer.
>>
>>Richard
>>
>

Exactly. Whatever arguments one may evince in favour of a duodecimal (based
on 12) or binary system the most practical from an everyday point of view is
the decimal. So I say, thank goodness the UK DID change to decimal/metric,
even if it did not change completely when the currency went decimal in 1971.
Weights are now decimal, too, but legal distance isn't. Still, I bet not a
lot of British school children know how many inches or feet there are in a
mile.

In the eurozone countries many businesses, especially smaller,
uncomputerised ones, took the opportunity of the currency change to raise
prices. It was a once-only effect, though. (As they did in the UK when the
currency was decimalised.)

I wonder how many of the proponents of non-base-10 systems would like to see
their currencies revert (as in, e.g. AU, NZ, IN, GB) or go to non-decimal...

I grew up with 20 shillings in the pound and 16 ounces to the pound, but I
don't miss them, even if it's more convenience to say "a couple of feet"
that "several decimetres"...

DAS

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"Burgerman" > wrote in message
...
[...]
> Well the intelligent shopkepers and industry in general just took
> advantage of the averagely bright canadian then. You cant blame the
> measurement systems.
[...]

In article >,
NewMan > wrote:

> At the risk of getting into semantics....
>
> The Imerial Gallon is 4 quarts also! However the Imperial Quart is 40
> fl. oz. - whereas the American Quart is 32 fl. oz.
>
> That makes an Imperial Gallon 160 fl. oz or 4.54 litres, and a US
> Gallon 128 fl. oz. or 3.78 litres.
>
> Thank GOD that a fl. oz. is the same in both systems.
Yes, thank God the USA didn't change everything.
The smaller USA quart and gallon was probably a typical big business
marketing decision to short change customers.
>
> And living here in Canada, let me just say that at least the US was
> smart enough NOT to go "metric". All that was here in Canada was an
> excuse for retailers to rip people off - it was a smoke screeen for
> price increases as high as 50% - but almost no one noticed because of
> the changes in the measurement systems and the resulting confusion.
The USA is metric in many ways. For example new USA vehicle designs
since about 1980 have been metric dimensioned.
I've even bought gas in liters in the Mammoth, CA area, in the early 80s.

So much was made in a negative way in Canada when we went metric in July
1981. Many said it was horrible that we left the Queens measurement
system.
Well in August 1981 I visited the UK and had a chuckle when I saw they
went metric for gas (petrol) a few months earlier, in the spring!
I applaud the metric system, but I'm horrified that many grocery goods
are sold in both measurements, with Imperial being the most prominent.
School students in CDA have been on metric since 1981, so many no little
of the out of date Imperial system.

However thank goodness we didn't mix up the measurement systems as the
UK did.
The UK really screwed up their weather maps. Celsius for temperature
and MPH for wind speed. Very confusing for visitors, with this mixed
system.
Since in the UK petrol is sold in liters and distance is in miles; a mix
of measurement systems here as well!
>
> I will keep an eye on this thread! I would LOVE to find a way to tell
> my on-board computer ro display in Imperial Gallons!
>
> If you find out how, please let us know!
There may be a way to change your display to Imperial.
My wife's 2001 Sebring allows one to select Imperial or Metric for the
computer display, simply by scrolling to the selection.
However it may not handle the UK mixed systems, unless the ROM is
changed.
Have you called Chrysler UK technical assistance?
You could ask he http://www.allpar.com/model/m/minivans.html