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New Honda being delivered Wednesday
On 12/14/11 12:47 PM, jim beam wrote:
> On 12/14/2011 09:28 AM, Howard Lester wrote: >> "Doug" wrote >> >>> I've read from multiple sources and you got it from one source. I'm >>> not discounting inside information but that might just be his opinion >>> too. For all I know, maybe some of what I read also came from inside >>> sources (I don't remember now). >> >> For what it's worth, my mechanic, who runs a Honda specialist shop (and >> works on other brands), and used to work at a Honda dealership, told me >> last week that he is finding Honda's reliability has indeed gone >> downhill, and therefore he no longer owns Hondas. He recently bought a >> Toyota Avalon. I'm starting to look at Camrys now. > > in my neck of the woods, the honda dealer techs are still driving old > integras and ef/eg civics. the toyota dealer techs are driving bmw and > mercedes. go figure. > > my next new car is going to be a vw gti with dsg transmission. maybe not > as reliable as my old civics, but honda have lost the plot and i refuse > to buy another. not only is their technology sadly outdated, they've > completely lost touch with any concept of preserving "customer loyalty". > > Am curious-- what technology is outdated? -- The lion may be king of the jungle, but airdrop him into Antarctica and he's just a penguin's bitch. -- James Pickett |
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"Doug" wrote
> Funny you mention this because after seeing a Camry commercial, I was > beginning to think I might want to check them out for my next car. > Sorta hate to leave Honda tho as I've had 2 Accords in a row and I > liked them both but it's hard to argue with your mechanic. Thanks. I'm on my 4th new Honda since 1982: '82, '91, and '97 Civics, and now an '04 Accord 4-cyl with 74000 miles. Knock on particle board, the Accord has had no trouble whatsoever save for premature rear brake pad wear at about 30,000. The reason I'm now looking at Camrys is in case the Accord gets run over by a train, I'll be in position to make a quick decision on a replacement. |
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New Honda being delivered Wednesday
On 12/14/2011 01:52 PM, Douglas C. Neidermeyer wrote:
> On 12/14/11 12:47 PM, jim beam wrote: >> On 12/14/2011 09:28 AM, Howard Lester wrote: >>> "Doug" wrote >>> >>>> I've read from multiple sources and you got it from one source. I'm >>>> not discounting inside information but that might just be his opinion >>>> too. For all I know, maybe some of what I read also came from inside >>>> sources (I don't remember now). >>> >>> For what it's worth, my mechanic, who runs a Honda specialist shop (and >>> works on other brands), and used to work at a Honda dealership, told me >>> last week that he is finding Honda's reliability has indeed gone >>> downhill, and therefore he no longer owns Hondas. He recently bought a >>> Toyota Avalon. I'm starting to look at Camrys now. >> >> in my neck of the woods, the honda dealer techs are still driving old >> integras and ef/eg civics. the toyota dealer techs are driving bmw and >> mercedes. go figure. >> >> my next new car is going to be a vw gti with dsg transmission. maybe not >> as reliable as my old civics, but honda have lost the plot and i refuse >> to buy another. not only is their technology sadly outdated, they've >> completely lost touch with any concept of preserving "customer loyalty". >> >> > > Am curious-- what technology is outdated? their transmissions. their engine management. their interiors. their engines are retrograde with sintered con rods and cast cranks. and their suspension is retrograde going from wishbone to macpherson. throw in their losing the plot on the crx and integra, together with lack of subie or evo killer and you have a pretty sorry story. at least toyota [toyobaru] are bringing back the hatchiroku. -- nomina rutrum rutrum |
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"Elmo P. Shagnasty" > wrote in message ... > In article >, > "Seth" > wrote: > >> > From what you've *read*? >> > >> > Did I mention I have some inside information directly from a long-time >> > Honda engineer? >> >> Well 1 year and 31,000 miles later and she's holding up fine and trouble >> free. > > My God, every 2010 car sold in America can do that. No surprise there. > > But that's not what we're talking about. Well it's all I have to on so far as I got rid of my 2001 at 266,xxx miles. |
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New Honda being delivered Wednesday
On 12/14/11 9:30 PM, jim beam wrote:
> On 12/14/2011 01:52 PM, Douglas C. Neidermeyer wrote: >> On 12/14/11 12:47 PM, jim beam wrote: >>> On 12/14/2011 09:28 AM, Howard Lester wrote: >>>> "Doug" wrote >>>> >>>>> I've read from multiple sources and you got it from one source. I'm >>>>> not discounting inside information but that might just be his opinion >>>>> too. For all I know, maybe some of what I read also came from inside >>>>> sources (I don't remember now). >>>> >>>> For what it's worth, my mechanic, who runs a Honda specialist shop (and >>>> works on other brands), and used to work at a Honda dealership, told me >>>> last week that he is finding Honda's reliability has indeed gone >>>> downhill, and therefore he no longer owns Hondas. He recently bought a >>>> Toyota Avalon. I'm starting to look at Camrys now. >>> >>> in my neck of the woods, the honda dealer techs are still driving old >>> integras and ef/eg civics. the toyota dealer techs are driving bmw and >>> mercedes. go figure. >>> >>> my next new car is going to be a vw gti with dsg transmission. maybe not >>> as reliable as my old civics, but honda have lost the plot and i refuse >>> to buy another. not only is their technology sadly outdated, they've >>> completely lost touch with any concept of preserving "customer loyalty". >>> >>> >> >> Am curious-- what technology is outdated? > > their transmissions. their engine management. their interiors. their > engines are retrograde with sintered con rods and cast cranks. and their > suspension is retrograde going from wishbone to macpherson. throw in > their losing the plot on the crx and integra, together with lack of > subie or evo killer and you have a pretty sorry story. at least toyota > [toyobaru] are bringing back the hatchiroku. > > So I guess the wheels and the paint are still OK... |
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On 12/15/2011 03:18 AM, Elmo P. Shagnasty wrote:
> In >, > "Howard > wrote: > >> I'm on my 4th new Honda since 1982: '82, '91, and '97 Civics, and now an >> '04 Accord 4-cyl with 74000 miles. Knock on particle board, the Accord has >> had no trouble whatsoever save for premature rear brake pad wear at about >> 30,000. > > The Honda 4 cylinder drivetrains are probably still pretty good, but you > mention the brakes--let me tell you, that has turned into a Honda weak > spot the last several years. bummer. honda brakes used to be excellent. -- nomina rutrum rutrum |
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Howard Lester wrote:
> "Doug" wrote > >> Funny you mention this because after seeing a Camry commercial, I was >> beginning to think I might want to check them out for my next car. >> Sorta hate to leave Honda tho as I've had 2 Accords in a row and I >> liked them both but it's hard to argue with your mechanic. Thanks. > > I'm on my 4th new Honda since 1982: '82, '91, and '97 Civics, and now an > '04 Accord 4-cyl with 74000 miles. Knock on particle board, the Accord > has had no trouble whatsoever save for premature rear brake pad wear at > about 30,000. The reason I'm now looking at Camrys is in case the Accord > gets run over by a train, I'll be in position to make a quick decision > on a replacement. Heh... And I drive an '82 Civic automatic every day... JT |
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