Best no BS motor oil/filter comparison?

> > Thanks
>
> http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbthreads.php
>
> Excellent discussion.

Thats a good site with good info.
You cant go wrong with using exactly what the manufacturer recommends.
Ben

"Ray O" ...
> "SMS" ...
>> Scott Dorsey wrote:
>>> SMS:
>>>> A lot more engines are destroyed by a loss of coolant than "worn out"
>>>> oil. My nephew destroyed a three year old BMW X5 by not knowing or not
>>>> noticing the temperature gauge, after the water pump started leaking.
>>>
>>> This is unfortunately a known issue on these cars. But in Driver's Ed,
>>> didn't your nephew get taught to run his eyes across the gauges every
>>> couple minutes and make sure everything was okay? You gotta watch them.
>>
>> There is no more driver's ed in schools.
>>
> Our local high school still offers driver's ed.

Not here in NJ anymore. My daughter starts her paid and mandatory driving
lessons on Saturday (even though she has been driving the Jeep around the
back property for years now).
Tomes

Brent wrote:

> with computer controls it would be entirely software to shut down the
> car now.

And the first time someone gets killed because he didn't have the choice
of sacrificing his engine to get to a safe spot....

The final decision should rest with the driver. But the driver should
KNOW what the implications of that decision are.

Brent wrote:

> with computer controls it would be entirely software to shut down the
> car now.

That's too dangerous. An audible warning when the engine temperature or
oil pressure is getting close to the danger level would be sufficient.

A smoke alarm doesn't require that you constantly check a gauge or a
light for the level of smoke before you hear the alarm.

Ray O wrote:
> "SMS" > wrote in message
> ...
>> Scott Dorsey wrote:
>>> SMS > wrote:
>>>> A lot more engines are destroyed by a loss of coolant than "worn out"
>>>> oil. My nephew destroyed a three year old BMW X5 by not knowing or not
>>>> noticing the temperature gauge, after the water pump started leaking.
>>> This is unfortunately a known issue on these cars. But in Driver's Ed,
>>> didn't your nephew get taught to run his eyes across the gauges every
>>> couple minutes and make sure everything was okay? You gotta watch them.
>> There is no more driver's ed in schools.
>>
>
> Our local high school still offers driver's ed.

Wow, where's that?

When I think back to drivers ed in high school, where we'd go four to a
car on the regular roads, with two students in the back seat, while
another student drove, and the instructor was riding shotgun, I can just
imagine the screams of horror by parents if this were to happen today.

On Thu, 04 Dec 2008 10:10:30 -0800, SMS >
wrote:

>Ray O wrote:
>> "SMS" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> Scott Dorsey wrote:
>>>> SMS > wrote:
>>>>> A lot more engines are destroyed by a loss of coolant than "worn out"
>>>>> oil. My nephew destroyed a three year old BMW X5 by not knowing or not
>>>>> noticing the temperature gauge, after the water pump started leaking.
>>>> This is unfortunately a known issue on these cars. But in Driver's Ed,
>>>> didn't your nephew get taught to run his eyes across the gauges every
>>>> couple minutes and make sure everything was okay? You gotta watch them.
>>> There is no more driver's ed in schools.
>>>
>>
>> Our local high school still offers driver's ed.
>
>Wow, where's that?
>
>When I think back to drivers ed in high school, where we'd go four to a
>car on the regular roads, with two students in the back seat, while
>another student drove, and the instructor was riding shotgun, I can just
>imagine the screams of horror by parents if this were to happen today.

As far as I know driver's ed is still a HS graduation requirement in
Illinois.
So when you say "There is no more driver's ed in schools" you may only
be talking about California. Or maybe you just don't know.
Remember, you have to look at the big picture.

--Vic

Steve wrote:
> Brent wrote:
>
>> with computer controls it would be entirely software to shut down
>> the car now.
>
> And the first time someone gets killed because he didn't have the
> choice of sacrificing his engine to get to a safe spot....
>
> The final decision should rest with the driver. But the driver
> should KNOW what the implications of that decision are.

You'd expect that to be true in every aspect of motoring, and "on
average" it's true -- isn't it? Seems to be working out
satisfactorily, or the society would change standards for
participation as a driver -- wouldn't it?

--
Frank ess

On 2008-12-04, Steve > wrote:
> Brent wrote:
>
>> with computer controls it would be entirely software to shut down the
>> car now.
>
> And the first time someone gets killed because he didn't have the choice
> of sacrificing his engine to get to a safe spot....

I wasn't implying a hard cut off, 'now' meant in the present day.

"SMS" > wrote in message
...
> Ray O wrote:
>> "SMS" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> Scott Dorsey wrote:
>>>> SMS > wrote:
>>>>> A lot more engines are destroyed by a loss of coolant than "worn out"
>>>>> oil. My nephew destroyed a three year old BMW X5 by not knowing or not
>>>>> noticing the temperature gauge, after the water pump started leaking.
>>>> This is unfortunately a known issue on these cars. But in Driver's Ed,
>>>> didn't your nephew get taught to run his eyes across the gauges every
>>>> couple minutes and make sure everything was okay? You gotta watch
>>>> them.
>>> There is no more driver's ed in schools.
>>>
>>
>> Our local high school still offers driver's ed.
>
> Wow, where's that?

Outside of Chicago, IL

>
> When I think back to drivers ed in high school, where we'd go four to a
> car on the regular roads, with two students in the back seat, while
> another student drove, and the instructor was riding shotgun, I can just
> imagine the screams of horror by parents if this were to happen today.

I think that is still how driver's ed happens here.
--

Ray O
(correct punctuation to reply)

On 12/4/08 12:32 PM, in article ,
"Vic Smith" > wrote:

> On Thu, 04 Dec 2008 10:10:30 -0800, SMS >
> wrote:
>
>> Ray O wrote:
>>> "SMS" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>> Scott Dorsey wrote:
>>>>> SMS > wrote:
>>>>>> A lot more engines are destroyed by a loss of coolant than "worn out"
>>>>>> oil. My nephew destroyed a three year old BMW X5 by not knowing or not
>>>>>> noticing the temperature gauge, after the water pump started leaking.
>>>>> This is unfortunately a known issue on these cars. But in Driver's Ed,
>>>>> didn't your nephew get taught to run his eyes across the gauges every
>>>>> couple minutes and make sure everything was okay? You gotta watch them.
>>>> There is no more driver's ed in schools.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Our local high school still offers driver's ed.
>>
>> Wow, where's that?
>>
>> When I think back to drivers ed in high school, where we'd go four to a
>> car on the regular roads, with two students in the back seat, while
>> another student drove, and the instructor was riding shotgun, I can just
>> imagine the screams of horror by parents if this were to happen today.
>
> As far as I know driver's ed is still a HS graduation requirement in
> Illinois.

When did they start doing that? It certainly was not a graduation
requirement in Illinois when I went to high school there. It was offered in
most schools, but only as an extra cost after school activity.

> So when you say "There is no more driver's ed in schools" you may only
> be talking about California. Or maybe you just don't know.
> Remember, you have to look at the big picture.
>
> --Vic