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Suggestions on long lived 4x4 other than Toyota and Honda
Hi All,
It is time for me to get a new used 4wd car. I like the Toyota Highlander and somewhat fond of the Honda CRV. Problem: the resale value on Toyota and Honda is through the roof. I can not afford them. Is there another 4wd manufacturer that is similarly long lived as the Toyota Highlander and Honda CRV WITHOUT the extremely high resale problem? (Problem for the buyer; benefit for the seller.) Many thanks, -T |
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Suggestions on long lived 4x4 other than Toyota and Honda
On Feb 22, 7:02*pm, ToddAndMargo >
wrote: > Hi All, > > * * It is time for me to get a new used 4wd car. *I > like the Toyota Highlander and somewhat fond of the > Honda CRV. > > * * Problem: the resale value on Toyota and Honda is > through the roof. *I can not afford them. > > * * Is there another 4wd manufacturer that is similarly > long lived as the Toyota Highlander and Honda CRV > WITHOUT the extremely high resale problem? *(Problem > for the buyer; benefit for the seller.) > > Many thanks, > -T There are the Land Rovers especially the Discoverys and the Highlanders. You can learn more about them from wwww.landroversonly.com/forums and sees whey are about. Used D1s are going dirt cheap for as low as $1500. |
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Suggestions on long lived 4x4 other than Toyota and Honda
Adam Kb2jpd FDNY*EMSC Owner 1996 NAS D1 wrote:
> On Feb 22, 7:02 pm, ToddAndMargo > > wrote: >> Hi All, >> >> It is time for me to get a new used 4wd car. I >> like the Toyota Highlander and somewhat fond of the >> Honda CRV. >> >> Problem: the resale value on Toyota and Honda is >> through the roof. I can not afford them. >> >> Is there another 4wd manufacturer that is similarly >> long lived as the Toyota Highlander and Honda CRV >> WITHOUT the extremely high resale problem? (Problem >> for the buyer; benefit for the seller.) >> >> Many thanks, >> -T > There are the Land Rovers especially the Discoverys and the > Highlanders. You can learn more about them from > wwww.landroversonly.com/forums and sees whey are about. > > Used D1s are going dirt cheap for as low as $1500. The Land Rovers can be an even bigger gamble than a used Jeep Cherokee/Grand. Plus the repairs are done by dealers that serve wine and cheese... |
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Suggestions on long lived 4x4 other than Toyota and Honda
On Feb 23, 10:08*pm, Lon > wrote:
> Adam Kb2jpd FDNY*EMSC Owner 1996 NAS D1 wrote: > > > > > On Feb 22, 7:02 pm, ToddAndMargo > > > wrote: > >> Hi All, > > >> * * It is time for me to get a new used 4wd car. *I > >> like the Toyota Highlander and somewhat fond of the > >> Honda CRV. > > >> * * Problem: the resale value on Toyota and Honda is > >> through the roof. *I can not afford them. > > >> * * Is there another 4wd manufacturer that is similarly > >> long lived as the Toyota Highlander and Honda CRV > >> WITHOUT the extremely high resale problem? *(Problem > >> for the buyer; benefit for the seller.) > > >> Many thanks, > >> -T > > There are the Land Rovers especially the Discoverys and the > > Highlanders. You can learn more about them from > > wwww.landroversonly.com/forumsand sees whey are about. > > > Used D1s are going dirt cheap for as low as $1500. > > The Land Rovers can be an even bigger gamble than a used Jeep > Cherokee/Grand. * Plus the repairs are done by dealers that serve wine > and cheese... Any used vehicle or 4x4 will be a gamble without a proper education of what to look for, a proper mechanic familiar with the vehicle you are interested in. Dumb-ass remarks like that above won't help this individual in his or her search of a good 4x4. Many Land Rovers are out in the street (70% is still out there running) not by dealers but by independent mechanics and self educated owners who learnt what to do to their valuable 4x4 e investments. Joining websites such as www.landroversonly.com can only help to solidify that posters choice in what kind of used 4x4 he or she desires. Sly quips like wine and cheese dealers dont help. |
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Suggestions on long lived 4x4 other than Toyota and Honda
Adam Kb2jpd FDNY*EMSC Owner 1996 NAS D1 wrote:
> On Feb 23, 10:08 pm, Lon > wrote: >> Adam Kb2jpd FDNY*EMSC Owner 1996 NAS D1 wrote: >> >> >> >>> On Feb 22, 7:02 pm, ToddAndMargo > >>> wrote: >>>> Hi All, >>>> It is time for me to get a new used 4wd car. I >>>> like the Toyota Highlander and somewhat fond of the >>>> Honda CRV. >>>> Problem: the resale value on Toyota and Honda is >>>> through the roof. I can not afford them. >>>> Is there another 4wd manufacturer that is similarly >>>> long lived as the Toyota Highlander and Honda CRV >>>> WITHOUT the extremely high resale problem? (Problem >>>> for the buyer; benefit for the seller.) >>>> Many thanks, >>>> -T >>> There are the Land Rovers especially the Discoverys and the >>> Highlanders. You can learn more about them from >>> wwww.landroversonly.com/forumsand sees whey are about. >>> Used D1s are going dirt cheap for as low as $1500. >> The Land Rovers can be an even bigger gamble than a used Jeep >> Cherokee/Grand. Plus the repairs are done by dealers that serve wine >> and cheese... > > Any used vehicle or 4x4 will be a gamble without a proper education of > what to look for, a proper mechanic familiar with the vehicle you are > interested in. Dumb-ass remarks like that above won't help this > individual in his or her search of a good 4x4. Many Land Rovers are > out in the street (70% is still out there running) not by dealers but > by independent mechanics and self educated owners who learnt what to > do to their valuable 4x4 e investments. > > Joining websites such as www.landroversonly.com can only help to > solidify that posters choice in what kind of used 4x4 he or she > desires. Sly quips like wine and cheese dealers dont help. Lets just say that as much as the Grand Cherokee has a reputation for being somewhat less than reliable, on average, it is a miracle of reliability compared to the lean years of the Rover clan. Yes, some of them run very well and have good mechanics available at modest prices. So do a few Grand Cherokees, of which I own a rather oddly reliable and high mileage example. *Neither* of those two would be something I would recommend for the casual shopper new to the 4x4 scene, and in particular not to someone apparently interested in the crossovers like the Highlander or CRV. A new Rover LR2 would be a different kettle of fish. |
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Suggestions on long lived 4x4 other than Toyota and Honda
ToddAndMargo wrote:
> Hi All, > > It is time for me to get a new used 4wd car. I > like the Toyota Highlander and somewhat fond of the > Honda CRV. > > Problem: the resale value on Toyota and Honda is > through the roof. I can not afford them. > > Is there another 4wd manufacturer that is similarly > long lived as the Toyota Highlander and Honda CRV > WITHOUT the extremely high resale problem? (Problem > for the buyer; benefit for the seller.) Subaru, but they tend to be love em or hate em vehicles. Both of the ones you mention are crossovers, aka glorified mini-vans rather than real 4wd vehicles. The Subie will go places neither of those will go. The Mitsubishi Montero Sport and Isuzu Trooper tend to be a bit less expensive, but both of those are far more trucklike, being real 4wd than either the Highlander or CRV. If you are looking for a real 4x4, the Jeep Cherokee or even Grand Cherokees tend to be a lot cheaper used. The problem is finding a good used one that hasnt been pounded to death and not overly taken care of--and both are a bit hard core for most folks. A used Audi will also go pretty much any where the CRV or Highlander will go as long as it has enough ground clearance, and is far safer on road than the CRV in particular. |
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Lon wrote:
> ToddAndMargo wrote: >> Hi All, >> >> It is time for me to get a new used 4wd car. I >> like the Toyota Highlander and somewhat fond of the >> Honda CRV. >> >> Problem: the resale value on Toyota and Honda is >> through the roof. I can not afford them. >> >> Is there another 4wd manufacturer that is similarly >> long lived as the Toyota Highlander and Honda CRV >> WITHOUT the extremely high resale problem? (Problem >> for the buyer; benefit for the seller.) > > Subaru, but they tend to be love em or hate em vehicles. > > Both of the ones you mention are crossovers, aka glorified mini-vans > rather than real 4wd vehicles. The Subie will go places neither of > those will go. The Mitsubishi Montero Sport and Isuzu Trooper tend to > be a bit less expensive, but both of those are far more trucklike, being > real 4wd than either the Highlander or CRV. If you are looking for a > real 4x4, the Jeep Cherokee or even Grand Cherokees tend to be a lot > cheaper used. The problem is finding a good used one that hasnt been > pounded to death and not overly taken care of--and both are a bit hard > core for most folks. A used Audi will also go pretty much any where > the CRV or Highlander will go as long as it has enough ground clearance, > and is far safer on road than the CRV in particular. Thank you! I will avoid the Jeep. (I have heard that you have to buy one for you and one for your mechanic. And, occasionally, swap them.) I will look at the Subaru too. -T |
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ToddAndMargo wrote:
> Lon wrote: >> ToddAndMargo wrote: >>> Hi All, >>> >>> It is time for me to get a new used 4wd car. I >>> like the Toyota Highlander and somewhat fond of the >>> Honda CRV. >>> >>> Problem: the resale value on Toyota and Honda is >>> through the roof. I can not afford them. >>> >>> Is there another 4wd manufacturer that is similarly >>> long lived as the Toyota Highlander and Honda CRV >>> WITHOUT the extremely high resale problem? (Problem >>> for the buyer; benefit for the seller.) >> >> Subaru, but they tend to be love em or hate em vehicles. >> >> Both of the ones you mention are crossovers, aka glorified mini-vans >> rather than real 4wd vehicles. The Subie will go places neither of >> those will go. The Mitsubishi Montero Sport and Isuzu Trooper tend to >> be a bit less expensive, but both of those are far more trucklike, >> being real 4wd than either the Highlander or CRV. If you are looking >> for a real 4x4, the Jeep Cherokee or even Grand Cherokees tend to be a >> lot cheaper used. The problem is finding a good used one that hasnt >> been pounded to death and not overly taken care of--and both are a bit >> hard core for most folks. A used Audi will also go pretty much any >> where the CRV or Highlander will go as long as it has enough ground >> clearance, and is far safer on road than the CRV in particular. > > > Thank you! I will avoid the Jeep. (I have heard that you have > to buy one for you and one for your mechanic. And, occasionally, > swap them.) I will look at the Subaru too. > > -T The Cherokee was the good one. It ran from the early 80's to a couple years back and go pretty much forever. Ours always got over 24 mpg highway, so they aren't too bad on fuel for a 4x4. Ours was still running very strong at 325K km when I had to retire it for rust issues. It was an 88 and was offroaded on a pretty regular basis. It needed very little except regular maintenance or things we broke 'playing'. We owned it for close to ten years. Unfortunately the rust belt got it. Off road it was 'very' capable. My wife and I were sitting by a river in the Deep Canadian Bush having a picnic after running some trails to have ATV's show up all pumped about 'making' the trail... Until they saw us sitting there, LOL! A couple of them actually went looking for the 'other' way we must have come in. The Cherokee might be more than you need though, it is fairly large. There are lots of photos of Cherokees out 'playing' in the bush in the photo albums in my sig line link. Grands also. Mike 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 'New' frame in the works for '08. Some Canadian Bush Trip and Build Photos: http://mikeromainjeeptrips.shutterfly.com |
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Suggestions on long lived 4x4 other than Toyota and Honda
ToddAndMargo wrote:
> Lon wrote: >> ToddAndMargo wrote: >>> Hi All, >>> >>> It is time for me to get a new used 4wd car. I >>> like the Toyota Highlander and somewhat fond of the >>> Honda CRV. >>> >>> Problem: the resale value on Toyota and Honda is >>> through the roof. I can not afford them. >>> >>> Is there another 4wd manufacturer that is similarly >>> long lived as the Toyota Highlander and Honda CRV >>> WITHOUT the extremely high resale problem? (Problem >>> for the buyer; benefit for the seller.) >> >> Subaru, but they tend to be love em or hate em vehicles. >> >> Both of the ones you mention are crossovers, aka glorified mini-vans >> rather than real 4wd vehicles. The Subie will go places neither of >> those will go. The Mitsubishi Montero Sport and Isuzu Trooper tend to >> be a bit less expensive, but both of those are far more trucklike, >> being real 4wd than either the Highlander or CRV. If you are looking >> for a real 4x4, the Jeep Cherokee or even Grand Cherokees tend to be a >> lot cheaper used. The problem is finding a good used one that hasnt >> been pounded to death and not overly taken care of--and both are a bit >> hard core for most folks. A used Audi will also go pretty much any >> where the CRV or Highlander will go as long as it has enough ground >> clearance, and is far safer on road than the CRV in particular. > > > Thank you! I will avoid the Jeep. (I have heard that you have > to buy one for you and one for your mechanic. And, occasionally, > swap them.) I will look at the Subaru too. > Don't get me wrong, I own a Grand Cherokee and wouldn't trade it for anything. However, a genuine 4wd will have some extra hardware that tends to be heavy and takes extra care and maintenance if your goal is to get back on road after being off. What do you want this thing for? I've taken a '66 MGB on some of the trails around Moab that jeepers are so proud of. Takes careful wheel placement and a spare muffler or two, but there really aren't that many places a hard core 4x4 can go that an Audi with oversized tires can't get in and out of. If you are not that interested in true no-trail off roading, the genuine machines that can handle that do have compromises in on-road performance that some folks don't care for. Another vehicle just a tad larger than the CRV is the Suzuki crossover. And if you are looking for a true 4x4, Nissan, Isuzu, and Mitsubishi have a few that are available used. |
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Lon wrote:
> What do you want this thing for? Mainly to drive around to customer sites. Three or four a day. I wanted something comfortable to drive (not truck like) so that I would not be exhausted when I arrived. Reasonable gas mileage would be nice too. The reason for the 4wd is 1) to cope with the winter snow (typically 2 to 8") and 2) the occasional fishing hole at the end of an unimproved dirt road (they get the fish hatchery trucks down these roads, so they can't be all that bad). Thank you for the tips! -T |
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