Question about wheels and offsets

Nate Nagel wrote:
> Tony Hwang wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>> Zero $ for something like that, LOL! My son-in-law owns s big CNC shop!
>> Looking at OP id. 86 in Japanese, does it mean his car is 1986 model?
>> I never owned a car/truck more than 10 years old. Shouldn't car that old
>> be sent to junk yard?
>
>
> I'm just gonna assume that that was meant in a joking manner... my car
> is an '88, my pickup is a '93, and my second car is a '55! Save the
> environment, drive an old car!
>
> nate
>
>
Hmmm,
Old car like those pollute a lot! Newer cars are greener and safer!
We always drive AWD with all the bells and whistles for safety first.
I look after them alway in original condition. I do most work on them.
I no longer have any truck since I sold my 5th wheel camping trailer.
I built a cabin instead. Currently 4 cars in the family. Subaru, Honda,
Suzuki. All farly new.

On Sat, 15 Dec 2007 18:39:11 +0000, Tony Hwang wrote:

> Hachiroku ãƒ�ãƒ�ãƒ*ク wrote:
>
>> On Sat, 15 Dec 2007 09:02:01 -0800, Bruce L. Bergman wrote:
>>
>>
>>> If you can't find pre-made spacers, I'd have a machine shop (or a
>>>specialty CNC abrasive water-jet cutting shop) cut them out of 1/4"
>>>steel plate. (The plates can be sent out to be "Blanchard Ground" flat
>>>and parallel if you really think it will make a difference, but you need
>>>to go up in thickness to allow for the grinding.)
>>
>>
>>
>> But is this going to cost more than $50?
>>
> Hi,
> Zero $ for something like that, LOL! My son-in-law owns s big CNC shop!
> Looking at OP id. 86 in Japanese, does it mean his car is 1986 model? I
> never owned a car/truck more than 10 years old. Shouldn't car that old be
> sent to junk yard? Let the economy roll. Or why not just get a new set of
> proper rims anf forget about it. It's kinda safety issue.

Hachiroku=AE86:

http://www.pbase.com/mr_16v/hachiroku_pics

http://www.urbandictionary.com/defin...erm=hachi-roku

And my favorite:

http://www.ae86.hu/pics/JIro_Yamada.jpg

1985 Corolla GT-S Twin-Cam, owned since April of 1985, still running but
rusty.

Good catch on the 8-6, though...

On Sat, 15 Dec 2007 18:39:11 +0000, Tony Hwang wrote:

> Hachiroku ãƒ�ãƒ�ãƒ*ク wrote:
>
>> On Sat, 15 Dec 2007 09:02:01 -0800, Bruce L. Bergman wrote:
>>
>>
>>> If you can't find pre-made spacers, I'd have a machine shop (or a
>>>specialty CNC abrasive water-jet cutting shop) cut them out of 1/4"
>>>steel plate. (The plates can be sent out to be "Blanchard Ground" flat
>>>and parallel if you really think it will make a difference, but you need
>>>to go up in thickness to allow for the grinding.)
>>
>>
>>
>> But is this going to cost more than $50?
>>
> Hi,
> Zero $ for something like that, LOL! My son-in-law owns s big CNC shop!
> Looking at OP id. 86 in Japanese, does it mean his car is 1986 model? I
> never owned a car/truck more than 10 years old. Shouldn't car that old be
> sent to junk yard? Let the economy roll. Or why not just get a new set of
> proper rims anf forget about it. It's kinda safety issue.


Oh, BTW, I have the Hachiroku, the '89 Suby GL, an '89 Mazda 626 I paid
$150 that runs GREAT and looks very good, a '97 Suby Legacy L AWD wagon
with a BHG, an '88 Supra in Good-VG condition that spends winters in a
heated garage, and an '05 Scion tC that is spending the winter under a car
cover...

On Sat, 15 Dec 2007 19:15:37 +0000, Tony Hwang wrote:

>>
> Hmmm,
> Old car like those pollute a lot!

The '85 Corolla GT-S turns almost the same numbers on the Environmental
tester as it did when it was new. There's a lot to be said for
maintenance. It has 260,000 miles on it...

Ray O wrote:
> "Hachiroku ????" > wrote in message
> news:R0U8j.667$7I.377@trndny09...
>> On Sat, 15 Dec 2007 10:49:15 -0600, Ray O wrote:
>>
>>>> Is there a safe way to 'shim' the wheels to get a few more mm of offset?
>>>>
>>>>
>>> Do not shim the wheels, as all sorts of problems, from balancing, wheel
>>> bearing wear, handling, etc.
>>>
>>> You can try looking up different replacement wheels for various Subaru
>>> models at tirerack.com to see which ones have the same fit. They may
>>> also
>>> have specs on offset, bolt pattern, etc.
>> These are those weird Suby wheels with the 4x140 bolt pattern. They
>> stopped this configuration in '90-92 and they're hard to find!
>>
>> There is a method of 'adapting' a 5x100 hub onto the car, but it's going
>> to cost 2x what the car cost! (and 3x what it's worth!)
>>
>> Maybe if it looked like *THIS* I'd do it!
>>
>> http://rides.webshots.com/photo/2355...67339125XvxVly
>>
> Yup, that ride appears to be in good condition! All sorts of stuff came up
> when I googled "Subaru wheel spacers" but most of it is over $150. Of
> course, you can get a pneumatic die grinder to go with your new compressor
> and grind the caliper - just kidding!


That's actually an option. My memory might (hell probably is!) be wrong
but IIRC, this wasn't an uncommon thing to do on american hotrods years
ago. The one that comes to mind is converting eary Mustangs to disk
brakes while keeping the factory styled-steel rims. They'd take off
almost a quarter inch.

On Sat, 15 Dec 2007 19:15:37 GMT, Tony Hwang > wrote:

>Nate Nagel wrote:
>> Tony Hwang wrote:
>>
>>> Hi,
>>> Zero $ for something like that, LOL! My son-in-law owns s big CNC shop!
>>> Looking at OP id. 86 in Japanese, does it mean his car is 1986 model?
>>> I never owned a car/truck more than 10 years old. Shouldn't car that old
>>> be sent to junk yard?
>>
>>
>> I'm just gonna assume that that was meant in a joking manner... my car
>> is an '88, my pickup is a '93, and my second car is a '55! Save the
>> environment, drive an old car!
>>
>> nate
>>
>>
>Hmmm,
>Old car like those pollute a lot! Newer cars are greener and safer!
>We always drive AWD with all the bells and whistles for safety first.
>I look after them alway in original condition. I do most work on them.
>I no longer have any truck since I sold my 5th wheel camping trailer.
>I built a cabin instead. Currently 4 cars in the family. Subaru, Honda,
>Suzuki. All farly new.

No, older cars /in bad mechanical condition/ pollute a lot. If you
keep them in good shape and fix the little things as they break, you
can keep a car or truck on the road practically forever, and your
per-mile costs of driving can go way down.

Some people do not choose to pay a lot more just to drive a new car
every three or four years. They work to live, not live to work.

Buy a new car and you take a huge hit for depreciation, tags and
title, the pension and benefits cost at the manufacturer and dealer, a
portion of the car salesman's new ski boat, etc. etc. etc.

And your monthly costs for insurance are much higher, as any car
with an airbag system costs more to insure - When you run the numbers,
after the car is over about 3 to 4 years old if you get in an accident
that deploys the airbags it's cheaper to total the car than fix it.

Before you spend a dime on the bodywork and paint, just replacing
the airbags and all the sensors and actuators after an accident is
going to run you $3,000 bare minimum. If it has explosive primed
seatbelt tensioners and side curtain airbags and all the toys, that
could easily pass $5,000 when you factor in new seats and the trim
panels that are destroyed during side curtain deployment.

Oh, and you usually break the windshield and/or other window glass
when the airbags blow and the air pressure inside the car spikes,
there's another $600 - $1,500 in glass replacement costs.

Having a new car with airbags will certainly decrease the injuries
from an equivalent accident - but somebody has to pay for the greatly
increased insurance costs, and that somebody is you, the car owner.

--<< Bruce >>--

Bruce L. Bergman wrote:

> On Sat, 15 Dec 2007 19:15:37 GMT, Tony Hwang > wrote:
>
>
>>Nate Nagel wrote:
>>
>>>Tony Hwang wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>Hi,
>>>>Zero $ for something like that, LOL! My son-in-law owns s big CNC shop!
>>>>Looking at OP id. 86 in Japanese, does it mean his car is 1986 model?
>>>>I never owned a car/truck more than 10 years old. Shouldn't car that old
>>>>be sent to junk yard?
>>>
>>>
>>>I'm just gonna assume that that was meant in a joking manner... my car
>>>is an '88, my pickup is a '93, and my second car is a '55! Save the
>>>environment, drive an old car!
>>>
>>>nate
>>>
>>>
>>
>>Hmmm,
>>Old car like those pollute a lot! Newer cars are greener and safer!
>>We always drive AWD with all the bells and whistles for safety first.
>>I look after them alway in original condition. I do most work on them.
>>I no longer have any truck since I sold my 5th wheel camping trailer.
>>I built a cabin instead. Currently 4 cars in the family. Subaru, Honda,
>>Suzuki. All farly new.
>
>
> No, older cars /in bad mechanical condition/ pollute a lot. If you
> keep them in good shape and fix the little things as they break, you
> can keep a car or truck on the road practically forever, and your
> per-mile costs of driving can go way down.
>
> Some people do not choose to pay a lot more just to drive a new car
> every three or four years. They work to live, not live to work.
>
> Buy a new car and you take a huge hit for depreciation, tags and
> title, the pension and benefits cost at the manufacturer and dealer, a
> portion of the car salesman's new ski boat, etc. etc. etc.
>
> And your monthly costs for insurance are much higher, as any car
> with an airbag system costs more to insure - When you run the numbers,
> after the car is over about 3 to 4 years old if you get in an accident
> that deploys the airbags it's cheaper to total the car than fix it.
>
> Before you spend a dime on the bodywork and paint, just replacing
> the airbags and all the sensors and actuators after an accident is
> going to run you $3,000 bare minimum. If it has explosive primed
> seatbelt tensioners and side curtain airbags and all the toys, that
> could easily pass $5,000 when you factor in new seats and the trim
> panels that are destroyed during side curtain deployment.
>
> Oh, and you usually break the windshield and/or other window glass
> when the airbags blow and the air pressure inside the car spikes,
> there's another $600 - $1,500 in glass replacement costs.
>
> Having a new car with airbags will certainly decrease the injuries
> from an equivalent accident - but somebody has to pay for the greatly
> increased insurance costs, and that somebody is you, the car owner.
>
> --<< Bruce >>--
Hmmm,
Knock on the wood. I've been driving over half a century. No accident,
never got stranded on the road, yet. Just a few parking tickets. I
replace my car when there is a sign of oil leak on the garage floor.
That is more or less 10 years driving time. In my working days I drove
company provided car of my choice which I looked after as if it were mine.

Hachiroku ãƒ�ãƒ�ãƒ*ク wrote:

> On Sat, 15 Dec 2007 18:39:11 +0000, Tony Hwang wrote:
>
>
>>Hachiroku ãƒ�ãƒ�ãƒ*ク wrote:
>>
>>
>>>On Sat, 15 Dec 2007 09:02:01 -0800, Bruce L. Bergman wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> If you can't find pre-made spacers, I'd have a machine shop (or a
>>>>specialty CNC abrasive water-jet cutting shop) cut them out of 1/4"
>>>>steel plate. (The plates can be sent out to be "Blanchard Ground" flat
>>>>and parallel if you really think it will make a difference, but you need
>>>>to go up in thickness to allow for the grinding.)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>But is this going to cost more than $50?
>>>
>>
>>Hi,
>>Zero $ for something like that, LOL! My son-in-law owns s big CNC shop!
>>Looking at OP id. 86 in Japanese, does it mean his car is 1986 model? I
>>never owned a car/truck more than 10 years old. Shouldn't car that old be
>>sent to junk yard? Let the economy roll. Or why not just get a new set of
>>proper rims anf forget about it. It's kinda safety issue.
>
>
> Hachiroku=AE86:
>
> http://www.pbase.com/mr_16v/hachiroku_pics
>
> http://www.urbandictionary.com/defin...erm=hachi-roku
>
> And my favorite:
>
> http://www.ae86.hu/pics/JIro_Yamada.jpg
>
> 1985 Corolla GT-S Twin-Cam, owned since April of 1985, still running but
> rusty.
>
> Good catch on the 8-6, though...
>
>
Hi,
If you ever X-ray a car like that, you'll see sign of metal fatigue,
hair line cracks, hidden rust things like that. Nothing laat forever!

Hachiroku $B%O%A%m%/ wrote:
> On Sat, 15 Dec 2007 19:15:37 +0000, Tony Hwang wrote:
>
>> Hmmm,
>> Old car like those pollute a lot!
>
> The '85 Corolla GT-S turns almost the same numbers on the Environmental
> tester as it did when it was new. There's a lot to be said for
> maintenance. It has 260,000 miles on it...
>
>

Have you tried carpart.com and seen how many yards have those wheels? I
punched it in locally and they have tons of them starting at 15 bucks each!

--
Steve W.
Near Cooperstown, New York

Life is not like a box of chocolates
it's more like a jar of jalapenos-
what you do today could burn your ass tomorrow!

On Sun, 16 Dec 2007 01:45:13 +0000, Tony Hwang wrote:

>> 1985 Corolla GT-S Twin-Cam, owned since April of 1985, still running but
>> rusty.
>>
>> Good catch on the 8-6, though...
>>
>>
> Hi,
> If you ever X-ray a car like that, you'll see sign of metal fatigue, hair
> line cracks, hidden rust things like that. Nothing laat forever!


Hidden rust?! The rocker panels are falling off the car!

I think it's time to retire...