Which of these 4 spots (2 on tire, 2 on wheel) are supposed to belined up?

On Tue, 16 Jul 2013 17:55:57 -0700, jim beam wrote:
> or michelin. michelin are the most high tech tire manufacturer in the
> world and they don't dot-mark because it's a pointless exercise.
> particularly if, as you say, the wheel's actually been used.

hey jb why do you just make this stuff up? just view runout and match mounting at http://www.michelintruck.com/micheli...atchmountingCD

blue bmw > wrote in :

> On Wed, 17 Jul 2013 14:52:38 +0000, Doug Miller wrote:
>
>>> I can *only* speak for *my* experience, and, for me, 100% of
>>> the time, my tires were installed improperly.
>>
>> Possibly by some irrational definition of "improperly"
>> that includes failing to align some
>> meaningless set of dots...
>
> Hello Doug,
>
> You don't make sense to me.
>
> Why do you insist torquing to manufacturer specifications
> is an "irrational definition" of proper procedure?
>
Speaking of not making sense... I didn't say that.

Idiot.

On Thu, 18 Jul 2013 21:42:15 +0000, Doug Miller wrote:

>>> Possibly by some irrational definition of "improperly"
>>> that includes failing to align some
>>> meaningless set of dots...

> Speaking of not making sense... I didn't say that.

You said my comment was irrational.

Then you agreed that expecting correct torque is rational.

You can't have it both ways.

blue bmw > wrote in :

> Do you know what happens to every buna-N rubber o-ring exposed
> to hot oil day in and day out?



Not a whole lot.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nitrile_rubber

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blue bmw > wrote in :

> On Thu, 18 Jul 2013 21:42:15 +0000, Doug Miller wrote:
>
>>>> Possibly by some irrational definition of "improperly"
>>>> that includes failing to align some
>>>> meaningless set of dots...
>
>> Speaking of not making sense... I didn't say that.

Hmph. I notice you snipped the part where you claimed I said something that I didn't.
>
> You said my comment was irrational.

No, I said that aligning a set of meaningless dots is irrational.
>
> Then you agreed that expecting correct torque is rational.

Yes.
>
> You can't have it both ways.

Sure I can -- there are good and valid engineering reasons for torquing fasteners to a
particular tightness and no tighter, and expecting that is perfectly rational. That's not the
case with your silly tire dots, which are there only to delude the weak-minded into believing
that they're actually doing something important to improve vehicle performance. I'd bet a
hundred bucks that you can't tell the difference behind the wheel.

On 07/18/2013 04:05 PM, blue bmw wrote:
> On Thu, 18 Jul 2013 21:42:15 +0000, Doug Miller wrote:
>
>>>> Possibly by some irrational definition of "improperly"
>>>> that includes failing to align some
>>>> meaningless set of dots...
>
>> Speaking of not making sense... I didn't say that.
>
> You said my comment was irrational.
>
> Then you agreed that expecting correct torque is rational.
>
> You can't have it both ways.
>

no, he wants it the straight way. you're resorting to wriggling and
squirming because the facts don't suit you.


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On 07/18/2013 01:29 PM, blue bmw wrote:
> On Thu, 18 Jul 2013 11:35:55 -0400, Nate Nagel wrote:
>
>> Eh, if you buy used so you're not paying their inflated prices, they're
>> really nice cars. Traditionally they'd last forever with proper
>> maintenance too, not sure if that is true today of any car though.
>
> Actually, this is one point stated so far that *is* valid about
> bimmers (which shows you're a rare person here who *understands*
> what he is saying) ...
>
> If you know the dozen (or so) things to look out for, and you
> replace or repair them periodically, then the E39 (which is what I own)
> M54 engine *is* a very reliable vehicle!
>
> But - you'd have to:
> a) Replace the plastic DISA valve with Gary's titanium replica
> b) Replace the PBT Hella adjusters with EAC's aluminum replica
> c) Replace the entire Behr cooling system with Zionsville aluminum
> d) Replace the Graf composite water pump with Stewart metal impellers
> e) Rebuild the Bosch 5.7 ABS control module (resolder power wires)
> f) Replace the Kuster nylon window regulator rollers with SS rollers
> etc.
>
> Note: Very few people here actually seem to know what they're talking
> about. And that's sad. At least you seem to, which is good.
>

you're good as assessing technical competence on usenet as you are in
tire shops!


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On 07/18/2013 08:28 AM, Tony Hwang wrote:
> jim beam wrote:
>> On 07/18/2013 05:46 AM, Doug Miller wrote:
>>> jim beam > wrote in :
>>>
>>>> there is a third way - quote them a grossly unreasonably high
>>>> price. it
>>>> effectively says "**** off" but gets most of them to focus on the red
>>>> herring, the number. it's a beautiful thing - they flounce off
>>>> thinking
>>>> they're slapping you in the face with rejection when in fact it's the
>>>> other way about. if they figure it out later, they're already off the
>>>> premises and unlikely to return. if they are stoopid enough to pay,
>>>> well, i can suck up some abuse if i'm being paid enough. but even
>>>> then,
>>>> if they're paying a premium, most of them think they're getting extra
>>>> special service!
>>>
>>> In the same manner, if they're paying a premium, most of them think
>>> they're getting an extra-
>>> special car.
>>>
>>
>> which neatly circles us back to bmw - and their brilliant marketing
>> campaign.
>>
>>
> Yeah! when one of my friend showed interest in buying top end M5 they
> really treated him like a royalty. He bought one after he went to
> Germany to BMW plant, had a tour, picked his car, test drove on their
> track. After he flew back home the car followed. When he needed a bolt,
> it was priced at 100.00. Oil change at dealer shop costs like 250.00.
> Windshield costs couple thousands. Unbelievable!!!! Of course his trip
> cost was included in the price of the car I am sure.
>
> At the dealership, customer lounge is like one at air port VIP lounge.
> They serve meals, snacks, all kinda fresh beverage like sitting in a
> first class airliner. I always think car is necessary evil. As an
> ordinary man I just drive ordinary car. Doing some work myself on it.
>
> I always have fun when I take out kid's car, looking at it, it is plain
> stock Subaru WRX STi but inside/underneath is totally redone. Always
> some driver comes along and wanna race. Young kids can't figure out why
> my Subaru is so fast. When old guy comes along and got ****ed off, I can
> see his face turning red, Poor old soul. Didn't he notice what kinda
> tire on my car?

i /love/ sleepers. people driving flash motors with "arrest me" written
all over them need their head testing.


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On 07/18/2013 01:32 PM, blue bmw wrote:
> On Thu, 18 Jul 2013 19:46:54 +0000, Doug Miller wrote:
>
>> You appear to be arguing that a BMW is a POS.
>
> I said very clearly that the German engineers who
> designed BMWs do not care about quality components.
>
> What they care about is performance,

so why do they use macpherson strut? [rhetorical]


> and safety.
>
> But not quality.

they care deeply about quality. but only so as they can make their
bathtub curve well defined.


>
> There are many worse cars than bimmers, so, POS is
> a subjective term (e.g., most FWD cars are a POS from
> the start

????

- but I'm not arguing that in this thread
> simply because that's a whole different topic).

yeah, you're too busy with other bull****!


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On 07/18/2013 11:45 AM, blue bmw wrote:
> On Wed, 17 Jul 2013 07:42:19 -0700, jim beam wrote:
>
>>> Actually, they *do* handle well.
>> relative to a buick, but as a definitive statement, that's simply the
>> delusional ravings of someone susceptible to marketing propaganda.
>
> Clearly you've never driven one on the track.
>

true. i just drive on airfields.


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