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  #11  
Old January 2nd 08, 08:37 PM posted to alt.autos,alt.autos.dodge
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Default Check Engine Light With E85


"maxpower" > wrote in message
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> "Neil" > wrote in message
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>> >>>
>> >>> "Neil" > wrote in message
>> >>> news >> >>>>I have 2003 Dodge Caravan SE, which takes E85 (has the E85 sticker on
>> >>>>the gas cap door), but I've never used it before. The other day my

> tank
>> >>>>was half full, and I filled it up with E85. A couple dozen miles
>> >>>>later
>> >>>>my check engine light went on. It stayed on for a couple of days.

> Today
>> >>>>the check engine light didn't go on; but it's also much colder today
>> >>>>than it's been the past couple of days, so I don't know if that has
>> >>>>anything to do with it.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> So I was wondering if anyone has heard of any problems using E85,

> such
>> >>>> as might cause the check engine light to come on, or otherwise. (The
>> >>>> car actually seems to ride a little smoother; but that could just be

> my
>> >>>> imagination.) I need to get my state inspection sticker next month,

> and
>> >>>> I certainly don't want any problems with the check engine light
>> >>>> right
>> >>>> when I have to do my inspection.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Thanks!
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Neil
>> >>>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> Here's an interesting thing re. this. I didn't get the fault code yet
>> >>> because, as noted, the check engine light was off.
>> >>>
>> >>> The last time I had put half a tank of E85 in, so it was 50% E85.
>> >>> Tonight I got gas again, and filled up with E85. The tank was 1/3

> full,
>> >>> so it now is about 85% E85.
>> >>>
>> >>> Though, as noted, the check engine light has been off, about 5 miles
>> >>> after filling up again on E85, the check engine light went on again.
>> >>>
>> >>> So that's twice in a row that it went on after filling up on E85.
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>
>> >> I think I found the solution to this. There's an article at
>> >>

> http://www.autobloggreen.com/2006/10...d-to-gasoline/
>> >> which says in part:
>> >>
>> >> "Dee Rithman, the owner of a 2000 Ford Taurus, was happy to learn that
>> >> her car was designed to accept E85 even though there are currently no
>> >> ethanol filling stations in her area. On a recent trip to Austin, she
>> >> came by an E85 station and decided fill up with the gas alternative.
>> >> 'About three or four days later, I'm getting the check engine light on

> my
>> >> car,' she says. For $70, a mechanic told her 'because you've been

> putting
>> >> regular gas in it for six years, the engine's not going to take it
>> >> because it's not used to it.'
>> >>
>> >> "WOAI contacted the National Ethanol Vehicle Coalition who said that,
>> >> unfortunately, a lot of drivers experience this, but the problem is
>> >> neither serious nor permanent. They said that the check engine light
>> >> should turn off after the first few E85 fill-ups. They also suggest

> that
>> >> you may be able to avoid the problem altogether by slowly introducing
>> >> ethanol to your engine a few gallons at a time."
>> >>
>> >

>>
>>
>> "Refinish King" > wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]
>> > The engine wasn't used to it?
>> >
>> > Sounds like a Ford problem, but mechanical things don't get used to
>> > things.
>> >
>> > LOL
>> >
>> > Newer vehicles have a sensor that actually determines the ethanol

> content.
>> > But, the few tanks of E-85 usually cleans off the sensor.
>> >
>> > RK

>>
>> So you're saying that the sensor isn't working right until the first few
>> tankfuls? And then, once it gets cleaned off, it works properly?
>>
>> I wonder about my situation where the light went on when I was using 50%
>> E85, then turned itself off after a couple of days, and then went back on
>> right after I increased the E85 in the tank to 85%.
>>
>>

> Find a place that will tell you what the stored fault code is!!
>


I'm not worried about it, after reading that article. I was just replying to
Refinish King and asking for clarity about what he was saying. Thanks,
though.


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  #12  
Old January 2nd 08, 08:38 PM posted to alt.autos,alt.autos.dodge
maxpower
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Default Check Engine Light With E85


"Neil" > wrote in message
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> "maxpower" > wrote in message
> ...
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> > "Neil" > wrote in message
> > et...
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> >> > "Neil" > wrote in message
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> >> >>
> >> >> "Neil" > wrote in message
> >> >> ...
> >> >>>
> >> >>> "Neil" > wrote in message
> >> >>> news > >> >>>>I have 2003 Dodge Caravan SE, which takes E85 (has the E85 sticker

on
> >> >>>>the gas cap door), but I've never used it before. The other day my

> > tank
> >> >>>>was half full, and I filled it up with E85. A couple dozen miles
> >> >>>>later
> >> >>>>my check engine light went on. It stayed on for a couple of days.

> > Today
> >> >>>>the check engine light didn't go on; but it's also much colder

today
> >> >>>>than it's been the past couple of days, so I don't know if that has
> >> >>>>anything to do with it.
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> So I was wondering if anyone has heard of any problems using E85,

> > such
> >> >>>> as might cause the check engine light to come on, or otherwise.

(The
> >> >>>> car actually seems to ride a little smoother; but that could just

be
> > my
> >> >>>> imagination.) I need to get my state inspection sticker next

month,
> > and
> >> >>>> I certainly don't want any problems with the check engine light
> >> >>>> right
> >> >>>> when I have to do my inspection.
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> Thanks!
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> Neil
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Here's an interesting thing re. this. I didn't get the fault code

yet
> >> >>> because, as noted, the check engine light was off.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> The last time I had put half a tank of E85 in, so it was 50% E85.
> >> >>> Tonight I got gas again, and filled up with E85. The tank was 1/3

> > full,
> >> >>> so it now is about 85% E85.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Though, as noted, the check engine light has been off, about 5

miles
> >> >>> after filling up again on E85, the check engine light went on

again.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> So that's twice in a row that it went on after filling up on E85.
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>
> >> >> I think I found the solution to this. There's an article at
> >> >>

> >

http://www.autobloggreen.com/2006/10...d-to-gasoline/
> >> >> which says in part:
> >> >>
> >> >> "Dee Rithman, the owner of a 2000 Ford Taurus, was happy to learn

that
> >> >> her car was designed to accept E85 even though there are currently

no
> >> >> ethanol filling stations in her area. On a recent trip to Austin,

she
> >> >> came by an E85 station and decided fill up with the gas alternative.
> >> >> 'About three or four days later, I'm getting the check engine light

on
> > my
> >> >> car,' she says. For $70, a mechanic told her 'because you've been

> > putting
> >> >> regular gas in it for six years, the engine's not going to take it
> >> >> because it's not used to it.'
> >> >>
> >> >> "WOAI contacted the National Ethanol Vehicle Coalition who said

that,
> >> >> unfortunately, a lot of drivers experience this, but the problem is
> >> >> neither serious nor permanent. They said that the check engine light
> >> >> should turn off after the first few E85 fill-ups. They also suggest

> > that
> >> >> you may be able to avoid the problem altogether by slowly

introducing
> >> >> ethanol to your engine a few gallons at a time."
> >> >>
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> >> "Refinish King" > wrote in message
> >> news:[email protected]
> >> > The engine wasn't used to it?
> >> >
> >> > Sounds like a Ford problem, but mechanical things don't get used to
> >> > things.
> >> >
> >> > LOL
> >> >
> >> > Newer vehicles have a sensor that actually determines the ethanol

> > content.
> >> > But, the few tanks of E-85 usually cleans off the sensor.
> >> >
> >> > RK
> >>
> >> So you're saying that the sensor isn't working right until the first

few
> >> tankfuls? And then, once it gets cleaned off, it works properly?
> >>
> >> I wonder about my situation where the light went on when I was using

50%
> >> E85, then turned itself off after a couple of days, and then went back

on
> >> right after I increased the E85 in the tank to 85%.
> >>
> >>

> > Find a place that will tell you what the stored fault code is!!
> >

>
> I'm not worried about it, after reading that article. I was just replying

to
> Refinish King and asking for clarity about what he was saying. Thanks,
> though.
>
>

But just because you read an article does not mean it pertains to your
vehicle until you find out what the fault code is.


  #13  
Old January 2nd 08, 09:52 PM posted to alt.autos,alt.autos.dodge
Neil[_2_]
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Default Check Engine Light With E85


> But just because you read an article does not mean it pertains to your
> vehicle until you find out what the fault code is.
>

That's true, and good point. I guess it was the article, combined with the
fact that the light went off by itself (and then only went on again when I
increased the concentration of E85) that makes me feel comfortable about it.
But, I need to get my state inspection this month, and am hoping the light
goes off before that. So, whether the light goes off or stays on, I'll have
to bring it in and I'll get the code read. Or would I need to bring it to
the dealer to get the code read?


  #14  
Old January 2nd 08, 10:18 PM posted to alt.autos,alt.autos.dodge
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Default Check Engine Light With E85

O
>> Find a place that will tell you what the stored fault code is!!


Said maxpower.


>I'm not worried about it, after reading that article. I was just replying to
>Refinish King and asking for clarity about what he was saying. Thanks,
>though.
>

Said the same thing said me a while ago. Just because the lite went
out, doen't mean the fault code isn't there. Instead of relying on
an article and thinking you know, get the fault code read and then
know for sure.

Pete
  #15  
Old January 2nd 08, 11:03 PM posted to alt.autos,alt.autos.dodge
maxpower
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Default Check Engine Light With E85


"Neil" > wrote in message
. net...
>
> > But just because you read an article does not mean it pertains to your
> > vehicle until you find out what the fault code is.
> >

> That's true, and good point. I guess it was the article, combined with the
> fact that the light went off by itself (and then only went on again when I
> increased the concentration of E85) that makes me feel comfortable about

it.
> But, I need to get my state inspection this month, and am hoping the light
> goes off before that. So, whether the light goes off or stays on, I'll

have
> to bring it in and I'll get the code read. Or would I need to bring it to
> the dealer to get the code read?
>
>


If there is a fault code , it may have disabled an IM monitor. The vehicle
will not pass if all monitors have not been run. That's why I say to have
the fault code checked and make sure the problem is fixed. Some monitors
could take days to run and pass


  #16  
Old January 3rd 08, 03:08 AM posted to alt.autos,alt.autos.dodge
Refinish King[_2_]
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Default Check Engine Light With E85

Ethanol has more water than anything else:

There's always garbage on the bottom of the tank, so increasing the alcohol
content, tends to loosen up the water soluble; i.e.: Rust, sand, metal
filings that haven't stratified to the bottom of the tank yet.

So, usually the sensor will clean it self, with the fuel flow. But, on the
other hand. Sometimes the garbage solidifies on the sensor, or renders it's
ability to measure the conductance of either fuel in the mix, and can be
removed and with a little luck, cleaned off.

Otherwise, you'll need a new one. I helped a friend at a dealer diagnose
one, and the sensor was about $87.00 plus tax.

I hope this helps.

RK

PS
I think in your case, the sensor might be covered under the federal
emissions warranty, which I believe is 7/70 or 8/80.
"Neil" > wrote in message
et...
>
>> "Neil" > wrote in message
>> t...
>>>
>>> "Neil" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>>
>>>> "Neil" > wrote in message
>>>> news >>>>>I have 2003 Dodge Caravan SE, which takes E85 (has the E85 sticker on
>>>>>the gas cap door), but I've never used it before. The other day my tank
>>>>>was half full, and I filled it up with E85. A couple dozen miles later
>>>>>my check engine light went on. It stayed on for a couple of days. Today
>>>>>the check engine light didn't go on; but it's also much colder today
>>>>>than it's been the past couple of days, so I don't know if that has
>>>>>anything to do with it.
>>>>>
>>>>> So I was wondering if anyone has heard of any problems using E85, such
>>>>> as might cause the check engine light to come on, or otherwise. (The
>>>>> car actually seems to ride a little smoother; but that could just be
>>>>> my imagination.) I need to get my state inspection sticker next month,
>>>>> and I certainly don't want any problems with the check engine light
>>>>> right when I have to do my inspection.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks!
>>>>>
>>>>> Neil
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Here's an interesting thing re. this. I didn't get the fault code yet
>>>> because, as noted, the check engine light was off.
>>>>
>>>> The last time I had put half a tank of E85 in, so it was 50% E85.
>>>> Tonight I got gas again, and filled up with E85. The tank was 1/3 full,
>>>> so it now is about 85% E85.
>>>>
>>>> Though, as noted, the check engine light has been off, about 5 miles
>>>> after filling up again on E85, the check engine light went on again.
>>>>
>>>> So that's twice in a row that it went on after filling up on E85.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> I think I found the solution to this. There's an article at
>>> http://www.autobloggreen.com/2006/10...d-to-gasoline/
>>> which says in part:
>>>
>>> "Dee Rithman, the owner of a 2000 Ford Taurus, was happy to learn that
>>> her car was designed to accept E85 even though there are currently no
>>> ethanol filling stations in her area. On a recent trip to Austin, she
>>> came by an E85 station and decided fill up with the gas alternative.
>>> 'About three or four days later, I'm getting the check engine light on
>>> my car,' she says. For $70, a mechanic told her 'because you've been
>>> putting regular gas in it for six years, the engine's not going to take
>>> it because it's not used to it.'
>>>
>>> "WOAI contacted the National Ethanol Vehicle Coalition who said that,
>>> unfortunately, a lot of drivers experience this, but the problem is
>>> neither serious nor permanent. They said that the check engine light
>>> should turn off after the first few E85 fill-ups. They also suggest that
>>> you may be able to avoid the problem altogether by slowly introducing
>>> ethanol to your engine a few gallons at a time."
>>>

>>

>
>
> "Refinish King" > wrote in message
> news:[email protected]
>> The engine wasn't used to it?
>>
>> Sounds like a Ford problem, but mechanical things don't get used to
>> things.
>>
>> LOL
>>
>> Newer vehicles have a sensor that actually determines the ethanol
>> content. But, the few tanks of E-85 usually cleans off the sensor.
>>
>> RK

>
> So you're saying that the sensor isn't working right until the first few
> tankfuls? And then, once it gets cleaned off, it works properly?
>
> I wonder about my situation where the light went on when I was using 50%
> E85, then turned itself off after a couple of days, and then went back on
> right after I increased the E85 in the tank to 85%.
>


  #17  
Old January 3rd 08, 03:11 AM posted to alt.autos,alt.autos.dodge
Refinish King[_2_]
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Default Check Engine Light With E85

I would have to agree.

What fails on one vehicle, isn't necessarily the same failure on another.

RK
"maxpower" > wrote in message
. ..
>
> "Neil" > wrote in message
> . net...
>>
>> "maxpower" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> >
>> > "Neil" > wrote in message
>> > et...
>> >>
>> >> > "Neil" > wrote in message
>> >> > t...
>> >> >>
>> >> >> "Neil" > wrote in message
>> >> >> ...
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> "Neil" > wrote in message
>> >> >>> news >> >> >>>>I have 2003 Dodge Caravan SE, which takes E85 (has the E85 sticker

> on
>> >> >>>>the gas cap door), but I've never used it before. The other day my
>> > tank
>> >> >>>>was half full, and I filled it up with E85. A couple dozen miles
>> >> >>>>later
>> >> >>>>my check engine light went on. It stayed on for a couple of days.
>> > Today
>> >> >>>>the check engine light didn't go on; but it's also much colder

> today
>> >> >>>>than it's been the past couple of days, so I don't know if that
>> >> >>>>has
>> >> >>>>anything to do with it.
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>> So I was wondering if anyone has heard of any problems using E85,
>> > such
>> >> >>>> as might cause the check engine light to come on, or otherwise.

> (The
>> >> >>>> car actually seems to ride a little smoother; but that could just

> be
>> > my
>> >> >>>> imagination.) I need to get my state inspection sticker next

> month,
>> > and
>> >> >>>> I certainly don't want any problems with the check engine light
>> >> >>>> right
>> >> >>>> when I have to do my inspection.
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>> Thanks!
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>> Neil
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> Here's an interesting thing re. this. I didn't get the fault code

> yet
>> >> >>> because, as noted, the check engine light was off.
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> The last time I had put half a tank of E85 in, so it was 50% E85.
>> >> >>> Tonight I got gas again, and filled up with E85. The tank was 1/3
>> > full,
>> >> >>> so it now is about 85% E85.
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> Though, as noted, the check engine light has been off, about 5

> miles
>> >> >>> after filling up again on E85, the check engine light went on

> again.
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> So that's twice in a row that it went on after filling up on E85.
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> I think I found the solution to this. There's an article at
>> >> >>
>> >

> http://www.autobloggreen.com/2006/10...d-to-gasoline/
>> >> >> which says in part:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> "Dee Rithman, the owner of a 2000 Ford Taurus, was happy to learn

> that
>> >> >> her car was designed to accept E85 even though there are currently

> no
>> >> >> ethanol filling stations in her area. On a recent trip to Austin,

> she
>> >> >> came by an E85 station and decided fill up with the gas
>> >> >> alternative.
>> >> >> 'About three or four days later, I'm getting the check engine light

> on
>> > my
>> >> >> car,' she says. For $70, a mechanic told her 'because you've been
>> > putting
>> >> >> regular gas in it for six years, the engine's not going to take it
>> >> >> because it's not used to it.'
>> >> >>
>> >> >> "WOAI contacted the National Ethanol Vehicle Coalition who said

> that,
>> >> >> unfortunately, a lot of drivers experience this, but the problem is
>> >> >> neither serious nor permanent. They said that the check engine
>> >> >> light
>> >> >> should turn off after the first few E85 fill-ups. They also suggest
>> > that
>> >> >> you may be able to avoid the problem altogether by slowly

> introducing
>> >> >> ethanol to your engine a few gallons at a time."
>> >> >>
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> "Refinish King" > wrote in message
>> >> news:[email protected]
>> >> > The engine wasn't used to it?
>> >> >
>> >> > Sounds like a Ford problem, but mechanical things don't get used to
>> >> > things.
>> >> >
>> >> > LOL
>> >> >
>> >> > Newer vehicles have a sensor that actually determines the ethanol
>> > content.
>> >> > But, the few tanks of E-85 usually cleans off the sensor.
>> >> >
>> >> > RK
>> >>
>> >> So you're saying that the sensor isn't working right until the first

> few
>> >> tankfuls? And then, once it gets cleaned off, it works properly?
>> >>
>> >> I wonder about my situation where the light went on when I was using

> 50%
>> >> E85, then turned itself off after a couple of days, and then went back

> on
>> >> right after I increased the E85 in the tank to 85%.
>> >>
>> >>
>> > Find a place that will tell you what the stored fault code is!!
>> >

>>
>> I'm not worried about it, after reading that article. I was just replying

> to
>> Refinish King and asking for clarity about what he was saying. Thanks,
>> though.
>>
>>

> But just because you read an article does not mean it pertains to your
> vehicle until you find out what the fault code is.
>
>


  #18  
Old March 29th 19, 10:18 PM posted to alt.autos,alt.autos.dodge
MAlvarez
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Default Check Engine Light With E85

replying to Neil, MAlvarez wrote:
I had read from the Chevrolet website about the horsepower gains by using E85.
So I started filling up with E85 a few times. Check engine light turned on
last time I filled up. Took it to get checked out and it gave me the code
PO50D, cold start rough idle, .. ran the tank down to empty and filled up with
Regular 87 unleaded.. after a quarter tank the check engine light turned off..
my vehicle is flex fuel, I don’t understand why it does this. 2014 Chevrolet
Silverado 5.3 4x4 LT

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for full context, visit https://www.motorsforum.com/dodge/ch...e85-10412-.htm


  #19  
Old March 30th 19, 12:17 AM posted to alt.autos.dodge
Ken Olson[_2_]
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Default Check Engine Light With E85

On 3/29/2019 6:18 PM, MAlvarez wrote:
> replying to Neil, MAlvarez wrote:
> I had read from the Chevrolet website about the horsepower gains by
> using E85.
> So I started filling up with E85 a few times. Check engine light turned on
> last time I filled up. Took it to get checked out and it gave me the code
> PO50D, cold start rough idle, .. ran the tank down to empty and filled
> up with
> Regular 87 unleaded.. after a quarter tank the check engine light turned
> off..
> my vehicle is flex fuel, I don’t understand why it does this. 2014
> Chevrolet
> Silverado 5.3 4x4 LT
>


Can you provide the Chevy link you refer to?
  #20  
Old March 30th 19, 03:47 PM posted to alt.autos.dodge
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Default Check Engine Light With E85

I had a similar issue with my flex fuel 2016 Dodge Grand Caravan. I used E85 in the winter and it got difficult to start. I switched back to regular and no further problems. The check engine light did not come on in my case. I decided it usually wasn't worth the lower cost of E85 because I lost about 30% mileage.
 




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