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On Sun, 07 Mar 2010 22:35:12 -0800, jim beam > wrote:


>>
>> Some people were taught and developed a lifelong habit of pumping brakes.
>
>some??? damned few dude - that's why we have abs.

The vast majority of drivers on the road learned to drive before ABS
even existed.

And ABS (and "pumping" the brakes) is ONLY usefull for stopping
(straight) in slippery conditions
>
>
>>
>>>>>> Admittedly, my theory that some percentage of drivers would pump the
>>>>>> brakes is not provable as far as I know, but I do state it as
>>>>>> conjecture, not as fact as you are stating your argument.
>>>>>
>>>>> with respect, you're projecting your own behavior as representative of
>>>>> everyone. it's not true.
>>>>
>>>> Oh - I see - so no one pumps there brakes, either in accident avoidance
>>>> situations or if faced with runaway acceleration. Got it. (I don't
>>>> buy it.)
>>>
>>> abs. that's the reality, like it or not.
>>
>> Not all cars have ABS.
>
>they do nowadays.

Certainly NOT ALL new cars have ABS - and if I have my choice, I'll
buy without.
>
>
>> Were not talking about what people should do. I'm
>> saying what many - not just 1 in 100 - *will* do in the situation we are
>> talking about which is unexpected acceleration.
>
>with respect, you are not representative. see above.

They may not "pump " the brakes, but they most likely will try the
brakes, release, and try again. Second try not nearly as effective as
the first.
>
>
>>
>>>>> indeed, but i'm pointing out the fact that refutes your supposition -
>>>>> typical panicked drivers do not let off the brake pedal.
>>>>
>>>> That's your theory and your belief. No more or less valid than mine of
>>>> the opposite.
>>>>
>>>
>>> you're entitled to your opinion, but preface them as such. "i believe
>>> that..." is quite different from the definitive statements you've been
>>> making like "the ... will absolutely *not* ... " etc., because it's
>>> not true.
>>
>> I said that about an engine under acceleration not developing enough
>> vacuum to give anything close to expected braking power once the initial
>> booster charge is depleted. That is a fact.
>
>but it's not. there is still sufficient vacuum to generate considerable
>assist. not as much as ideal, but it's still there.
>
>
>> Therefore I didn't qualify
>> it, and I didn't need to. Where I did give opinion, I identified it as
>> such. Shall we go thru the math on the 15% vacuum again?
>
>sure. after we go through the fact that you've never driven a vehicle
>without it and thus don't have experience.

On 03/08/2010 04:33 PM, wrote:
> On Sun, 07 Mar 2010 22:35:12 -0800, jim > wrote:
>
>
>>>
>>> Some people were taught and developed a lifelong habit of pumping brakes.
>>
>> some??? damned few dude - that's why we have abs.
>
> The vast majority of drivers on the road learned to drive before ABS
> even existed.
>
> And ABS (and "pumping" the brakes) is ONLY usefull for stopping
> (straight) in slippery conditions
>>
>>
>>>
>>>>>>> Admittedly, my theory that some percentage of drivers would pump the
>>>>>>> brakes is not provable as far as I know, but I do state it as
>>>>>>> conjecture, not as fact as you are stating your argument.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> with respect, you're projecting your own behavior as representative of
>>>>>> everyone. it's not true.
>>>>>
>>>>> Oh - I see - so no one pumps there brakes, either in accident avoidance
>>>>> situations or if faced with runaway acceleration. Got it. (I don't
>>>>> buy it.)
>>>>
>>>> abs. that's the reality, like it or not.
>>>
>>> Not all cars have ABS.
>>
>> they do nowadays.
>
> Certainly NOT ALL new cars have ABS - and if I have my choice, I'll
> buy without.

me too, but it's almost impossible to get one without now.


>>
>>
>>> Were not talking about what people should do. I'm
>>> saying what many - not just 1 in 100 - *will* do in the situation we are
>>> talking about which is unexpected acceleration.
>>
>> with respect, you are not representative. see above.
>
> They may not "pump " the brakes, but they most likely will try the
> brakes, release, and try again. Second try not nearly as effective as
> the first.

and yet the old folk that plow into crowded markets or busy
intersections with their foot clamped hard on the gas thinking it's the
brake don't seem to do it.


>>
>>
>>>
>>>>>> indeed, but i'm pointing out the fact that refutes your supposition -
>>>>>> typical panicked drivers do not let off the brake pedal.
>>>>>
>>>>> That's your theory and your belief. No more or less valid than mine of
>>>>> the opposite.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> you're entitled to your opinion, but preface them as such. "i believe
>>>> that..." is quite different from the definitive statements you've been
>>>> making like "the ... will absolutely *not* ... " etc., because it's
>>>> not true.
>>>
>>> I said that about an engine under acceleration not developing enough
>>> vacuum to give anything close to expected braking power once the initial
>>> booster charge is depleted. That is a fact.
>>
>> but it's not. there is still sufficient vacuum to generate considerable
>> assist. not as much as ideal, but it's still there.
>>
>>
>>> Therefore I didn't qualify
>>> it, and I didn't need to. Where I did give opinion, I identified it as
>>> such. Shall we go thru the math on the 15% vacuum again?
>>
>> sure. after we go through the fact that you've never driven a vehicle
>> without it and thus don't have experience.
>


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