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RJ wrote:
> John Charles Wilson > wrote: > > >> If *everyone* used transit, it would be profitable and not require >>a tax subsidy. > > > and the economy would tank. Tank whom for what? -- You can't fool me: there ain't no Sanity Clause - Chico Marx www.geocities.com/Athens/Agora/1955 |
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Jack May wrote:
> "Scott en Aztlán" > wrote in message > ... > >>On 29 Jan 2006 12:03:28 -0800, "John Charles Wilson" > wrote: >> >> >>>>You are implying that transit is free that nobody pays for which of >>>>course >>>>is absurd. Transit is tens of times more expensive in both taxes and >>>>the >>>>cost of time. In your area, most of the taxes for transportation paid >>>>mainly by drivers is spent on transit, not car infrastructure. If we >>>>went >>>>to everyone using transit, sales taxes would have to go above 100% >>> >>> If *everyone* used transit, it would be profitable and not require >>>a tax subsidy. >> >>And the involvement need not reach 100% (or even close) to achieve >>profitability. As late as the 1940s, passenger rail transit in this >>country was profitable without any government subsidies at all. In >>fact, some of these railroads (streetcars) actually had rather >>one-sided franchise agreements that required them to maintain the very >>same roads that were use by automobile traffic - in effect, the >>railroads subsidized the automobile AND paid taxes on the property >>they owned. Yet somehow they managed to make a profit, at least for a >>while. >> >>There is no reason to believe that passenger rail could not be >>profitable once again given sufficient ridership. At the rate our >>freeways are clogging up, that may happen sooner rather than later. > > > There are lots of reason and those reasons are what lead to the failure of > rail. > > Please learn about the normal evolution of technology before make such > illiterate statements. > > Ooooooooooooooooooooooh! -- You can't fool me: there ain't no Sanity Clause - Chico Marx www.geocities.com/Athens/Agora/1955 |
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In article >,
Scott en Aztlán <newsgroup> wrote: >There is no reason to believe that passenger rail could not be >profitable once again given sufficient ridership. At the rate our >freeways are clogging up, that may happen sooner rather than later. Passenger rail fills up during peak times long before it achieves profitability. Long before -- it fills up before it can come close to manage breaking even on operations alone. |
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Matthew T. Russotto > wrote:
> Scott en Aztlán <newsgroup> wrote: > > >There is no reason to believe that passenger rail could not be > >profitable once again given sufficient ridership. At the rate our > >freeways are clogging up, that may happen sooner rather than later. > > Passenger rail fills up during peak times long before it achieves > profitability. Long before -- it fills up before it can come close to > manage breaking even on operations alone. Then it is probably overstaffed! -- Aidan Stanger http://www.bettercrossrail.co.uk |
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In article >,
Hans-Joachim Zierke > wrote: > >Matthew T. Russotto schrieb: > > >> Passenger rail fills up during peak times long before it achieves >> profitability. Long before -- it fills up before it can come close to >> manage breaking even on operations alone. > > >Interesting statement. > >Can you explain, how all the passenger rail operations in Europe survive, >which don't receive any subsidy for their operation? Easy, they do receive subsidies, or are outright owned by governments. |
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