Gonna Buy Me A New Mustang Sedan, Or Wagon.

wadner wrote:

http://www.autoweek.com/apps/pbcs.dl...1065/MICROSITE

> > > Good idea, bad idea? Post your comments.

> > Old Idea.

> > Ford first toyed with it about 40 years ago.

> I'd buy one of these!

http://www.ford.com.au/servlet/Conte...ge&c=DF YPage

I wouldn't. While I like the idea of a Ranchero comeback, this Aussie
version doesn't, IMO, have a pretty line on it.

I'd like to know how many find this car attractive, but think the GTO
is ugly.

Patrick

dwight wrote:

> >> > I'm sorry.. did you say "never"?

> >> > http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c6...05/cdwagon.jpg
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c6...nWagon-RVL.jpg

> >> Never. As in, never in production or available to the general public.
> >> Prototypes hardly count.

> >> That being said, I HATE that "new" Mustang. Looks very much to me like a
> >> Magnum wannabe, and I don't care for the Magnum.

> > REALLY? You don't like the Magnum?! I think this may be the first
> > time in 10 or so years we've been sharing this space in USENET that we
> > strongly disagree. Because I absolutely love the Magnum! In fact, I'm
> > going to rent one soon to take on a nice long trip. That long wagon
> > sleek body, chopped roof and a Hemi under the hood, what's not to love?

> Paint it black, it's a hearse.

But it's a chopped hearse.

> You know I'm no fan of the current Chrysler
> styling. And I've never liked the chopped hot rod look, especially in
> production vehicles. One man's sleek is another man's oogly. That 6.1 Hemi
> sounds interesting, though...

The only ground I'll give you is admit the grill could be toned down a
bit.

> >> I know that Ford is desperate, but I have to believe that diluting the
> >> Mustang's genes with sedans and wagons is NOT the way to go. They're
> >> banking
> >> on increased sales that may well not be there.

> > I think my biggest problem with these new Mustang sedans and wagons is
> > that the entire Ford line would/could soon be the Mustang line. And
> > with so many Mustang-looking vehicles in their lineup, the Mustang
> > uniqueness would be gone/lost. That said, again, I'd still like to see
> > a few GT500Ks built.

> GT500KW. A nice little 4-door station wagon.

A 2-door wagon would be better. It would be like the previous
generation BMW M coupe I liked so much.

> >> A four-door Mustang in V6 and GT configurations? Call it something else.
> >> This redefines what a Mustang is and weakens the brand altogether. Sorry,
> >> Ford, but your Mustang is an American ICON, which means that just about
> >> everyone has a pretty good idea of what the name connotes. By bringing it
> >> out in sedan and wagon models, you reduce the Mustang to the rest of the
> >> herd, losing the very appeal that makes it your top nameplate.

> > Just to add some more debate what about the new Mini Traveler or the
> > fact the WRX comes in both sedan and wagon versions?

> If someone tucked a Mini into my Christmas stocking, I'd trade it in the
> next day.

I would too, IF it was an automatic version. The autos suck in those
cars. But a Cooper S would be a very fun car.

> And the WRX...? Ask me again, when it even APPROACHES the iconic
> stature of the Mustang nameplate.

There's just something about the WRX wagon that reminds me of the
hatchback LX 5.0. While it has an Asian spice to it, the utility mixed
with the plain-Jane, but hunkered down hotrod look really appeals to
me.

> Matter o' fack, that WRX would make a
> sweet little crossover, if Subaru could figure out the weight ration and
> handling characteristics to match it up with an expanded cargo area... Maybe
> they should look into a hatchback design.

They probably would, but I hear Americans now associate hatchbacks with
cheap econo cars so manufactures have shied away from them.

> >> No, I think that if you want to finally kill the Mustang off, that's the
> >> way
> >> to go.

> > I think Ford could get away with building a few Mustang wagons or
> > sedans. I'm sure there would be enough collectors willing to snap them
> > up to have something unique, but if Ford were to make a Mustang line of
> > cars and produce 1,000s and 1,000s every year for a number of years the
> > Mustang name would forever be ruined.

> We agree there. Mustang = pony car, and a 4-door V6 Mustang might as well be
> named "Camry."

I think the Asians are starting to wise up. They're realizing the
vanilla Camrys and Accords days are numbered. Their future generations
are promising much more aggressive looks.

Patrick

"dwight" > wrote in
:

> "Joe" > wrote in message
> ...
>> "dwight" > wrote in
>> :
>>
>>> > wrote in message
>>> ups.com...
>>>> dwight wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> > I'm sorry.. did you say "never"?
>>>>
>>>>> > http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c6...05/cdwagon.jpg
>>>>
>>>>
>>
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c6...yGT350StationW
>>>> agon-RVL.jpg
>>>>
>>>>> Never. As in, never in production or available to the general
>>>>> public. Prototypes hardly count.
>>>>
>>>>> That being said, I HATE that "new" Mustang. Looks very much to me
>>>>> like a Magnum wannabe, and I don't care for the Magnum.
>>>>
>>>> REALLY? You don't like the Magnum?! I think this may be the
first
>>>> time in 10 or so years we've been sharing this space in USENET that
>>>> we strongly disagree. Because I absolutely love the Magnum! In
>>>> fact, I'm going to rent one soon to take on a nice long trip. That
>>>> long wagon sleek body, chopped roof and a Hemi under the hood,
what's
>>>> not to love?
>>>
>>> Paint it black, it's a hearse. You know I'm no fan of the current
>>> Chrysler styling. And I've never liked the chopped hot rod look,
>>> especially in production vehicles. One man's sleek is another man's
>>> oogly. That 6.1 Hemi sounds interesting, though...
>>>
>>>>> I know that Ford is desperate, but I have to believe that diluting
>>>>> the Mustang's genes with sedans and wagons is NOT the way to go.
>>>>> They're banking
>>>>> on increased sales that may well not be there.
>>>>
>>>> I think my biggest problem with these new Mustang sedans and wagons
>>>> is that the entire Ford line would/could soon be the Mustang line.
>>>> And with so many Mustang-looking vehicles in their lineup, the
>>>> Mustang uniqueness would be gone/lost. That said, again, I'd still
>>>> like to see a few GT500Ks built.
>>>
>>> GT500KW. A nice little 4-door station wagon.
>>>
>>>>> A four-door Mustang in V6 and GT configurations? Call it something
>>>>> else. This redefines what a Mustang is and weakens the brand
>>>>> altogether. Sorry, Ford, but your Mustang is an American ICON,
which
>>>>> means that just about everyone has a pretty good idea of what the
>>>>> name connotes. By bringing it out in sedan and wagon models, you
>>>>> reduce the Mustang to the rest of the herd, losing the very appeal
>>>>> that makes it your top nameplate.
>>>>
>>>> Just to add some more debate what about the new Mini Traveler or
the
>>>> fact the WRX comes in both sedan and wagon versions?
>>>
>>> If someone tucked a Mini into my Christmas stocking, I'd trade it in
>>> the next day. And the WRX...? Ask me again, when it even APPROACHES
>>> the iconic stature of the Mustang nameplate. Matter o' fack, that
WRX
>>> would make a sweet little crossover, if Subaru could figure out the
>>> weight ration and handling characteristics to match it up with an
>>> expanded cargo area... Maybe they should look into a hatchback
design.
>>>
>>>>> No, I think that if you want to finally kill the Mustang off,
that's
>>>>> the way
>>>>> to go.
>>>>
>>>> I think Ford could get away with building a few Mustang wagons or
>>>> sedans. I'm sure there would be enough collectors willing to snap
>>>> them up to have something unique, but if Ford were to make a
Mustang
>>>> line of cars and produce 1,000s and 1,000s every year for a number
of
>>>> years the Mustang name would forever be ruined.
>>>>
>>>> Patrick
>>>
>>> We agree there. Mustang = pony car, and a 4-door V6 Mustang might as
>>> well be named "Camry."
>>>
>>> dwight
>>
>> Following the logic, does that mean the 2-door V6 Mustang is the
>> "Accord"?
>
> No. Solara.
>
>)

But the Solara isn't a Honda...

Brent P wrote:
> In article >, WindsorFox wrote:
>> wadner wrote:
>
>>> http://www.ford.com.au/servlet/Conte...ge&c=DF YPage
>
>> Oh, oh my. Okay NOW we have crossed the line...
>> http://www.ford.com.au/servlet/Conte...1024&c=DFYPage
>
> Just go for the whole 9 yards already...
> Falcon XR8 Ute.
> http://www.ford.com.au/servlet/Conte...1024&c=DFYPage
>
>

Okay the Ranchero style back I can handle, but the flat
bed is just WAY over the line!

--
“I intended that "not stupid" be a requirement.” – Seth
Breidbart

"Joe" > wrote in message
...
> "dwight" > wrote in
> :
>
>> "Joe" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> "dwight" > wrote in
>>> :
>>>
>>>> > wrote in message
>>>> ups.com...
>>>>> dwight wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> > I'm sorry.. did you say "never"?
>>>>>
>>>>>> > http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c6...05/cdwagon.jpg
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>
> http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c6...yGT350StationW
>>>>> agon-RVL.jpg
>>>>>
>>>>>> Never. As in, never in production or available to the general
>>>>>> public. Prototypes hardly count.
>>>>>
>>>>>> That being said, I HATE that "new" Mustang. Looks very much to me
>>>>>> like a Magnum wannabe, and I don't care for the Magnum.
>>>>>
>>>>> REALLY? You don't like the Magnum?! I think this may be the
> first
>>>>> time in 10 or so years we've been sharing this space in USENET that
>>>>> we strongly disagree. Because I absolutely love the Magnum! In
>>>>> fact, I'm going to rent one soon to take on a nice long trip. That
>>>>> long wagon sleek body, chopped roof and a Hemi under the hood,
> what's
>>>>> not to love?
>>>>
>>>> Paint it black, it's a hearse. You know I'm no fan of the current
>>>> Chrysler styling. And I've never liked the chopped hot rod look,
>>>> especially in production vehicles. One man's sleek is another man's
>>>> oogly. That 6.1 Hemi sounds interesting, though...
>>>>
>>>>>> I know that Ford is desperate, but I have to believe that diluting
>>>>>> the Mustang's genes with sedans and wagons is NOT the way to go.
>>>>>> They're banking
>>>>>> on increased sales that may well not be there.
>>>>>
>>>>> I think my biggest problem with these new Mustang sedans and wagons
>>>>> is that the entire Ford line would/could soon be the Mustang line.
>>>>> And with so many Mustang-looking vehicles in their lineup, the
>>>>> Mustang uniqueness would be gone/lost. That said, again, I'd still
>>>>> like to see a few GT500Ks built.
>>>>
>>>> GT500KW. A nice little 4-door station wagon.
>>>>
>>>>>> A four-door Mustang in V6 and GT configurations? Call it something
>>>>>> else. This redefines what a Mustang is and weakens the brand
>>>>>> altogether. Sorry, Ford, but your Mustang is an American ICON,
> which
>>>>>> means that just about everyone has a pretty good idea of what the
>>>>>> name connotes. By bringing it out in sedan and wagon models, you
>>>>>> reduce the Mustang to the rest of the herd, losing the very appeal
>>>>>> that makes it your top nameplate.
>>>>>
>>>>> Just to add some more debate what about the new Mini Traveler or
> the
>>>>> fact the WRX comes in both sedan and wagon versions?
>>>>
>>>> If someone tucked a Mini into my Christmas stocking, I'd trade it in
>>>> the next day. And the WRX...? Ask me again, when it even APPROACHES
>>>> the iconic stature of the Mustang nameplate. Matter o' fack, that
> WRX
>>>> would make a sweet little crossover, if Subaru could figure out the
>>>> weight ration and handling characteristics to match it up with an
>>>> expanded cargo area... Maybe they should look into a hatchback
> design.
>>>>
>>>>>> No, I think that if you want to finally kill the Mustang off,
> that's
>>>>>> the way
>>>>>> to go.
>>>>>
>>>>> I think Ford could get away with building a few Mustang wagons or
>>>>> sedans. I'm sure there would be enough collectors willing to snap
>>>>> them up to have something unique, but if Ford were to make a
> Mustang
>>>>> line of cars and produce 1,000s and 1,000s every year for a number
> of
>>>>> years the Mustang name would forever be ruined.
>>>>>
>>>>> Patrick
>>>>
>>>> We agree there. Mustang = pony car, and a 4-door V6 Mustang might as
>>>> well be named "Camry."
>>>>
>>>> dwight
>>>
>>> Following the logic, does that mean the 2-door V6 Mustang is the
>>> "Accord"?
>>
>> No. Solara.
>>
>>)
>
> But the Solara isn't a Honda...

Neither is the Camry. Where did Honda come in?

duh-wight

"dwight" > wrote in
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> "Joe" > wrote in message
> ...
>> "dwight" > wrote in
>> :
>>
>>> "Joe" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>> "dwight" > wrote in
>>>> :
>>>>
>>>>> > wrote in message
>>>>> ups.com...
>>>>>> dwight wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> > I'm sorry.. did you say "never"?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> > http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c6...05/cdwagon.jpg
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>
>>
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c6...yGT350StationW
>>>>>> agon-RVL.jpg
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Never. As in, never in production or available to the general
>>>>>>> public. Prototypes hardly count.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> That being said, I HATE that "new" Mustang. Looks very much to
me
>>>>>>> like a Magnum wannabe, and I don't care for the Magnum.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> REALLY? You don't like the Magnum?! I think this may be the
>> first
>>>>>> time in 10 or so years we've been sharing this space in USENET
that
>>>>>> we strongly disagree. Because I absolutely love the Magnum! In
>>>>>> fact, I'm going to rent one soon to take on a nice long trip.
That
>>>>>> long wagon sleek body, chopped roof and a Hemi under the hood,
>> what's
>>>>>> not to love?
>>>>>
>>>>> Paint it black, it's a hearse. You know I'm no fan of the current
>>>>> Chrysler styling. And I've never liked the chopped hot rod look,
>>>>> especially in production vehicles. One man's sleek is another
man's
>>>>> oogly. That 6.1 Hemi sounds interesting, though...
>>>>>
>>>>>>> I know that Ford is desperate, but I have to believe that
diluting
>>>>>>> the Mustang's genes with sedans and wagons is NOT the way to go.
>>>>>>> They're banking
>>>>>>> on increased sales that may well not be there.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I think my biggest problem with these new Mustang sedans and
wagons
>>>>>> is that the entire Ford line would/could soon be the Mustang
line.
>>>>>> And with so many Mustang-looking vehicles in their lineup, the
>>>>>> Mustang uniqueness would be gone/lost. That said, again, I'd
still
>>>>>> like to see a few GT500Ks built.
>>>>>
>>>>> GT500KW. A nice little 4-door station wagon.
>>>>>
>>>>>>> A four-door Mustang in V6 and GT configurations? Call it
something
>>>>>>> else. This redefines what a Mustang is and weakens the brand
>>>>>>> altogether. Sorry, Ford, but your Mustang is an American ICON,
>> which
>>>>>>> means that just about everyone has a pretty good idea of what
the
>>>>>>> name connotes. By bringing it out in sedan and wagon models, you
>>>>>>> reduce the Mustang to the rest of the herd, losing the very
appeal
>>>>>>> that makes it your top nameplate.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Just to add some more debate what about the new Mini Traveler or
>> the
>>>>>> fact the WRX comes in both sedan and wagon versions?
>>>>>
>>>>> If someone tucked a Mini into my Christmas stocking, I'd trade it
in
>>>>> the next day. And the WRX...? Ask me again, when it even
APPROACHES
>>>>> the iconic stature of the Mustang nameplate. Matter o' fack, that
>> WRX
>>>>> would make a sweet little crossover, if Subaru could figure out
the
>>>>> weight ration and handling characteristics to match it up with an
>>>>> expanded cargo area... Maybe they should look into a hatchback
>> design.
>>>>>
>>>>>>> No, I think that if you want to finally kill the Mustang off,
>> that's
>>>>>>> the way
>>>>>>> to go.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I think Ford could get away with building a few Mustang wagons or
>>>>>> sedans. I'm sure there would be enough collectors willing to
snap
>>>>>> them up to have something unique, but if Ford were to make a
>> Mustang
>>>>>> line of cars and produce 1,000s and 1,000s every year for a
number
>> of
>>>>>> years the Mustang name would forever be ruined.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Patrick
>>>>>
>>>>> We agree there. Mustang = pony car, and a 4-door V6 Mustang might
as
>>>>> well be named "Camry."
>>>>>
>>>>> dwight
>>>>
>>>> Following the logic, does that mean the 2-door V6 Mustang is the
>>>> "Accord"?
>>>
>>> No. Solara.
>>>
>>>)
>>
>> But the Solara isn't a Honda...
>
> Neither is the Camry. Where did Honda come in?
>
> duh-wight

Major brain fart. Happens once in a while at my age...

> wrote in message
oups.com...
> dwight wrote:
>
>> >> > I'm sorry.. did you say "never"?
>
>> >> > http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c6...05/cdwagon.jpg
> http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c6...nWagon-RVL.jpg
>
>> >> Never. As in, never in production or available to the general public.
>> >> Prototypes hardly count.
>
>> >> That being said, I HATE that "new" Mustang. Looks very much to me like
>> >> a
>> >> Magnum wannabe, and I don't care for the Magnum.
>
>> > REALLY? You don't like the Magnum?! I think this may be the first
>> > time in 10 or so years we've been sharing this space in USENET that we
>> > strongly disagree. Because I absolutely love the Magnum! In fact, I'm
>> > going to rent one soon to take on a nice long trip. That long wagon
>> > sleek body, chopped roof and a Hemi under the hood, what's not to love?
>
>> Paint it black, it's a hearse.
>
> But it's a chopped hearse.
>
>> You know I'm no fan of the current Chrysler
>> styling. And I've never liked the chopped hot rod look, especially in
>> production vehicles. One man's sleek is another man's oogly. That 6.1
>> Hemi
>> sounds interesting, though...
>
> The only ground I'll give you is admit the grill could be toned down a
> bit.

Grilles were great in the 50's. But once I started washing my own cars, I
learned that I could live without them. The '84 Mustang's plastic grille
insert was a BITCH to keep clean.

The Fusion, the Edge... looks like Ford is trying to copy out of Chrysler's
playbook by slapping extraneous metallic pieces on the front of their new
line. Compare the 2007 Escape to the upcoming 2008 model - the 2007 looks
much cleaner. Maybe Ford is trying to "man up" the Escape, but my wife's not
going to be happy about it. (We may end up buying this one at lease end.)

>> >> I know that Ford is desperate, but I have to believe that diluting the
>> >> Mustang's genes with sedans and wagons is NOT the way to go. They're
>> >> banking
>> >> on increased sales that may well not be there.
>
>> > I think my biggest problem with these new Mustang sedans and wagons is
>> > that the entire Ford line would/could soon be the Mustang line. And
>> > with so many Mustang-looking vehicles in their lineup, the Mustang
>> > uniqueness would be gone/lost. That said, again, I'd still like to see
>> > a few GT500Ks built.
>
>> GT500KW. A nice little 4-door station wagon.
>
> A 2-door wagon would be better. It would be like the previous
> generation BMW M coupe I liked so much.

That'd be alright for the upcoming generation. But us baby boomers don't
like climbing into and out of a back seat through the front doors. Many of
us can't.

Come to think of it... my recently departed mother-in-law would have had a
much harder time getting into and out of my Mustang than climbing up into
the Escape. Maybe if I'd put step bars on the Mustang...

(I wonder if the day will come when I can no longer exit a Mustang without
help...)

>> >> A four-door Mustang in V6 and GT configurations? Call it something
>> >> else.
>> >> This redefines what a Mustang is and weakens the brand altogether.
>> >> Sorry,
>> >> Ford, but your Mustang is an American ICON, which means that just
>> >> about
>> >> everyone has a pretty good idea of what the name connotes. By bringing
>> >> it
>> >> out in sedan and wagon models, you reduce the Mustang to the rest of
>> >> the
>> >> herd, losing the very appeal that makes it your top nameplate.
>
>> > Just to add some more debate what about the new Mini Traveler or the
>> > fact the WRX comes in both sedan and wagon versions?
>
>> If someone tucked a Mini into my Christmas stocking, I'd trade it in the
>> next day.
>
> I would too, IF it was an automatic version. The autos suck in those
> cars. But a Cooper S would be a very fun car.
>
>> And the WRX...? Ask me again, when it even APPROACHES the iconic
>> stature of the Mustang nameplate.
>
> There's just something about the WRX wagon that reminds me of the
> hatchback LX 5.0. While it has an Asian spice to it, the utility mixed
> with the plain-Jane, but hunkered down hotrod look really appeals to
> me.

It's...uh..."cute," I suppose. How about a WRK STI wagon, with that big ol'
Asian wing plopped on the top? That would sell a few, I reckon. That would
combine the performance and utility we're used to.

>> Matter o' fack, that WRX would make a
>> sweet little crossover, if Subaru could figure out the weight ration and
>> handling characteristics to match it up with an expanded cargo area...
>> Maybe
>> they should look into a hatchback design.
>
> They probably would, but I hear Americans now associate hatchbacks with
> cheap econo cars so manufactures have shied away from them.

All things come back in time. That Boss Mustang you linked to looks like it
would naturally have a lift gate. The new Mustangs have a nice, deep trunk,
but a hatchback on that car would make life a whole lot easier.

>> >> No, I think that if you want to finally kill the Mustang off, that's
>> >> the
>> >> way
>> >> to go.
>
>> > I think Ford could get away with building a few Mustang wagons or
>> > sedans. I'm sure there would be enough collectors willing to snap them
>> > up to have something unique, but if Ford were to make a Mustang line of
>> > cars and produce 1,000s and 1,000s every year for a number of years the
>> > Mustang name would forever be ruined.
>
>> We agree there. Mustang = pony car, and a 4-door V6 Mustang might as well
>> be
>> named "Camry."
>
> I think the Asians are starting to wise up. They're realizing the
> vanilla Camrys and Accords days are numbered. Their future generations
> are promising much more aggressive looks.
>
> Patrick

God, I hope so. I've been saying for years that I can't tell one from the
other. There's a whole herd of four-door family sedans running around that
all look the same to me. I used to pride myself on knowing what I was
looking at, but I have to squint now at the emblem on the hood to tell a
Hyundai from a Honda. Nissan has come around, though; I can spot them pretty
quick.

Seems that designers have boiled down the small car style to its bare
minimum, in search of aerodynamics and front-wheel-drive efficiency. (Not
talking about the larger cars, which are vastly different canvases, but the
entry level models.) I was looking at two cars in our parking lot - a Chevy
Impala and a Honda Accord - and thinking, jeez, that's the same car.

It's like the designers purposely keep the cars ultra-bland, for fear of
turning off any potential buyers. I guess that works.

dwight

On Fri, 15 Dec 2006 23:32:20 -0600, WindsorFox
> puked:

>Brent P wrote:
>> In article >, WindsorFox wrote:
>>> wadner wrote:
>>
>>>> http://www.ford.com.au/servlet/Conte...ge&c=DF YPage
>>
>>> Oh, oh my. Okay NOW we have crossed the line...
>>> http://www.ford.com.au/servlet/Conte...1024&c=DFYPage
>>
>> Just go for the whole 9 yards already...
>> Falcon XR8 Ute.
>> http://www.ford.com.au/servlet/Conte...1024&c=DFYPage
>>
>>
>
> Okay the Ranchero style back I can handle, but the flat
>bed is just WAY over the line!

Get out the conversion charts:

Max. Power: 220kW@4750 rpm (DIN)
Max. Torque: 470Nm@3250 rpm (DIN)
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