California lunatic and his kind are a threat...

veegerNO wrote:
> On 21 Sep 2006 06:11:59 -0700, wrote:
>
>
>>Some years ago, I read an article that stated all human beings emit
>>approximately one quart of methane gas, as "part of the digestive
>>process", to put it kindly. How come you never the EPA gurus quote this
>>fact that we are all contributing to the "global warming"?
>>Just think, mutliply that by the total population of the world! And
>>aminals too!
>>Those folks in CA are nuts!
>>JR.
>
>
> Thanks for the compliment? I just love being lumped in with "those
> folks in CA". I have met so many people who think, never having been
> here, that the state is comprised of nothing but wall to wall people
> living in a single, unending city. And I have met people who think
> Sacramento is a couple of hours drive north of LA, or that the state
> ends at San Francisco; or that anything north of LA is "northern
> California". People who firmly believe that every resident of the
> state is a bleeding heart liberal.
>
> Unfortunately, the voting blocks are largely liberal city folks who
> have no concept of country life. People who pick up the phone when
> they have a problem and the cops are there in a couple of minutes...
> so nobody needs guns. They have never lived "out here" where it takes
> the nearest county cop 45 minutes of hauling a** to reach a victim.
>
> For those who have never been here; in the state with the 5th largest
> economy in the WORLD; the majority of the population is centered in
> several major metro areas which amount to a very small fraction of the
> state's total area. The rest is comprised of farms, orchards, ranch
> lands, mountains, forests, etc; what we call "rural". Most of us
> "rural" people are conservative, pro-hunting, pro-fishing, anti-flag
> burning, against rewarding law breakers, and we're still NOT even
> ultra conservatives.
>
> So, before you condemn all of us as "nuts"... how about getting to
> know the state and it's peoples. You might just find that a good share
> of us are not nuts.
>
> Added: My ancestors didn't arrive on the Mayflower :0), but they did
> settle in northern California under a Spanish Land Grant prior to
> 1840; well before there were any liberals. The liberals "nuts" came
> long after; attracted by the wealth and climate.
> --
>
> Spike
> 1965 Ford Mustang Fastback 2+2, Vintage Burgundy
> w/Black Std Interior, A Code 289 C4 Trac-Lok;
> Vintage 40 16" rims w/225/50ZR16 KDWS BF Goodrich
> gForce Radial T/As, Cobra drop; surround sound
> audio-video...
> See my ride at....
> Feb 2004- http://207.36.208.198/albums/86810/003_May_21_3004.jpg
> Feb 2004- http://207.36.208.198/albums/86810/005_May_21_2004.jpg
> Jul 2005- http://207.36.208.198/albums/86810/d..._11_05_002.jpg
> Jul 2005- http://207.36.208.198/albums/86810/E...ebuild_006.jpg

I think they get these Ideas from TV. But yeah, it kind of ****es me off
to be stereo typed, (even though I moved to the other blue state,
Oregon) and I moved away from Orange County, a past Repulican stronghold.

Sometimes I catch myself thinking how the whole deep south is a bunch of
Billies, though I've never been there.

--
Tropic Green Y2K Mustang GT
W/bits & pieces
http://tinyurl.com/eh99n

"Michael Johnson, PE" > wrote in
:

> Plus do you think China, India, Latin America etc.
> give a $hit about global warming and will stop their economic growth
> because we think they should?

I saw a satellite photo of the Pacific a few months ago, especially
enhanced to show smoke. There was a plume of smoke coming from China that
covered most of the Northern Pacific, all the way to the Aleutians and
south past Hawaii. I wish I knew where it was, maybe somebody else knows?

veegerNO wrote in
:

> On 21 Sep 2006 06:11:59 -0700, wrote:
>

>>Those folks in CA are nuts!
>>JR.
>
> Thanks for the compliment? I just love being lumped in with "those
> folks in CA".

Thanks, Spike. I knew you were here somewhere. You said it better than I
could. I wish these folks would come out here just once, avoid the
cities, and see the real California like you and I do. The cities and the
wackos get all the press. Granted, we have our problems, but who doesn't?
Ours are magnified because of the scrutiny of the press.

Right now, I can look out my back door and see the sun setting in fiery
flames upon the slopes of Mt. Shasta. My neighbor is doodling on his
keyboard. I can jump in my car (a Mustang - got to keep it on topic) and
in 10 minutes, either be in a primeval evergreen forest, a low altitude
agriculural valley, or a high desert with red rock mountains and
sagebrush. I have a 14,000 foot mountain to keep me company. It already
has some fresh snow on the top. I can find quiet and solitude in the
extreme if I want to, without driving very far. I could go down into the
Central Valley at sunset, and find ranchers out with their kids, either
driving the cattle, or resetting the irrigation for tomorrow. Their topic
of conversation would be about deer hunting, where are the fish biting
right now, and it's about time to start getting in wood for the winter.
My biggest worry right now is about snow tires and chains, because I want
to avoid the Last Minute Louies who wait until snow flies before they do
anything, and cause a 3 day wait at Les Schwab. Snow in California? You
better believe it. Our first storm last winter dropped 3 feet, with 50
MPH sustained winds.

That's the side of California that most people don't see, and few come
looking for.

On 22 Sep 2006 02:31:10 GMT, elaich > wrote:

>veegerNO wrote in
:
>
>> On 21 Sep 2006 06:11:59 -0700, wrote:
>>
>
>>>Those folks in CA are nuts!
>>>JR.
>>
>> Thanks for the compliment? I just love being lumped in with "those
>> folks in CA".
>
>Thanks, Spike. I knew you were here somewhere. You said it better than I
>could. I wish these folks would come out here just once, avoid the
>cities, and see the real California like you and I do. The cities and the
>wackos get all the press. Granted, we have our problems, but who doesn't?
>Ours are magnified because of the scrutiny of the press.
>
>Right now, I can look out my back door and see the sun setting in fiery
>flames upon the slopes of Mt. Shasta. My neighbor is doodling on his
>keyboard. I can jump in my car (a Mustang - got to keep it on topic) and
>in 10 minutes, either be in a primeval evergreen forest, a low altitude
>agriculural valley, or a high desert with red rock mountains and
>sagebrush. I have a 14,000 foot mountain to keep me company. It already
14, 162' of semi active volcano with year round glaciers which I can
see from my home in Redding :0)

>has some fresh snow on the top. I can find quiet and solitude in the
>extreme if I want to, without driving very far. I could go down into the
>Central Valley at sunset, and find ranchers out with their kids, either
>driving the cattle, or resetting the irrigation for tomorrow. Their topic
>of conversation would be about deer hunting, where are the fish biting
>right now, and it's about time to start getting in wood for the winter.

My fishing rigs have a permanent home in my Mustang :0) 'cause there
are so darn many places to fish.

>My biggest worry right now is about snow tires and chains, because I want
>to avoid the Last Minute Louies who wait until snow flies before they do
>anything, and cause a 3 day wait at Les Schwab. Snow in California? You
>better believe it. Our first storm last winter dropped 3 feet, with 50
>MPH sustained winds.
Well, as usual, if you get stuck without, some ol' rancher will show
up out of nowhere with an assortment of sizes and help you get going
again :0) Bad thing is my Mustang shouldn't have chains. Went to 16"
wheels, and the clearance is liable to leave my with extra
ventilation.

Park Service finally got the road cleared through Lassen one year in
late May. July the road was closed again due to a snowstorm. And I've
been stuck with a bunch of others on the way to Susanville in
September because the first guy broke traction and blocked the road on
an uphill grade. So, while waiting for CalTrans, we got out of our
cars and had a big snowball fight, and shared coffee and crackers and
beef jerky and such all around. :0)
>
>That's the side of California that most people don't see, and few come
>looking for.

And for those who are from other areas.... I've lived in NY state and
city, Cape Cod, Caribou (ME), Minneapolis, Ft Walton Beach (FL), Peru
(IN), Tacoma (WA), Oklahoma City, Anchorage and Fairbanks (AK),
Gulfport (MS), Wichita (TX), and found each to have it's pros and
cons, just as California does. But all in all, everywhere I've been,
the people have been great and the areas have been wondrous in their
own ways.
--

Spike
1965 Ford Mustang Fastback 2+2, Vintage Burgundy
w/Black Std Interior, A Code 289 C4 Trac-Lok;
Vintage 40 16" rims w/225/50ZR16 KDWS BF Goodrich
gForce Radial T/As, Cobra drop; surround sound
audio-video...
See my ride at....
Feb 2004- http://207.36.208.198/albums/86810/003_May_21_3004.jpg
Feb 2004- http://207.36.208.198/albums/86810/005_May_21_2004.jpg
Jul 2005- http://207.36.208.198/albums/86810/d..._11_05_002.jpg
Jul 2005- http://207.36.208.198/albums/86810/E...ebuild_006.jpg

On Thu, 21 Sep 2006 13:37:55 -0400, "Michael Johnson, PE"
> wrote:

>Of course we will. Plus do you think China, India, Latin America etc.
>give a $hit about global warming and will stop their economic growth
>because we think they should? Heck no they won't. This whole CO2
>emissions reduction idea is DOA before it even moves an inch. The
>press, in conjunction with the liberals and extreme environmentalists,
>have been trying to scare the hell out of everyone for the last several
>years that we are all going to fry like an egg in a skillet if we don't
>stop CO2 emissions. The level of the oceans have fluctuated over 400'
>throughout history.
A recent archeological survey seeking signs of the first humans to
migrate to the Americas along the coast of Alaska, identified the
remnants of forests and riverbeds at a dept of something like 690'.

Twenty years ago is was the big freeze is coming. Next came global
warming. And now, global warming which will initiate the big
freeze....

Now all of a sudden they want to take on Mother
>Nature and stop it? Having it raise and lower is part of the natural
>cycle of the earth. Maybe they saw the movie "Water World" too many
>times and see George Bush as the Dennis Hopper character and John (the
>wind board surfer) Kerry as the Kevin Costner character, among other
>delusions.
>
>Robert A. Plourde Jr. wrote:
>> And who will pay for all this crap, in the long run???? The consumer,
>> that's who.
>>
>>
>> "Michael Johnson, PE" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> Backyard Mechanic wrote:
>>>> "Michael Johnson, PE" > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> A human would be put to shame by what one cow will produce. The daily
>>>>> methane produced from all the farm animals is a staggering amount.
>>>>>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> Some years ago, I read an article that stated all human beings emit
>>>>>> approximately one quart of methane gas, as "part of the digestive
>>>>>> process", to put it kindly. How come you never the EPA gurus quote
>>>>>> this fact that we are all contributing to the "global warming"?
>>>>>> Just think, mutliply that by the total population of the world! And
>>>>>> aminals too!
>>>>>> Those folks in CA are nuts!
>>>>>> JR.
>>>> And it's SO bad the stink is felt all the way to Mars and melting ITS
>>>> ice caps, too!
>>>>
>>>> Let's put it this way... consider all the 'conspiracy-blame ourselves'
>>>> crap going on.
>>>>
>>>> Where does it get its impetus? From the 'CREATIVE areas' of the Blue
>>>> States!
>>>>
>>>> Junk Science plus shallow thinking plus 'here-and-now ignorance and
>>>> denial of history' equals panic and paranoia.
>>>>
>>>> I dont think anyone will deny the positive effect of the original CARB
>>>> efforts. But there's a problem in thinking 'if some is good, more is
>>>> better'.
>>>>
>>>> And dont forget... the very same people who would like to tax and
>>>> legislate the masses into using public transport are the ones who 'make
>>>> using the bus an adventure sorta like 'Survivor'...by enabling those who
>>>> take pride in intimidating others.
>>> Don't get me started on global warming. I always hear "It hasn't been
>>> this hot for 10,000 years" coming from the mouth of some know-it-all
>>> scientist. I would like them to answer this question... What made it so
>>> hot 10,000 years ago? It certainly wasn't humans burning fossil fuels
>>> in their SUVs. Now just maybe what made it hot way back then is also
>>> making temperatures rise today. Also, they are only looking at a 10-20
>>> years time span for temperature and are somehow able to extrapolate
>>> where the climate is headed 200-300 years from now. It is the
>>> equivalent of watching the initial kickoff return of a football game and
>>> claiming you know what the final score will be. The real truth is they
>>> know hardly nothing about what drives weather on this planet and
>>> predicting more than 10 days in advance is nothing more than a guess.
>>> Remember the horrific hurricane season they predicted for this year as a
>>> result of global warming? Well, I think we can all call that prediction
>>> a bust.
>>>
>>> IMO, all this global warming hoopla is a way for scientists to grab
>>> grant money and politicians to scare us into enacting their
>>> environmental agenda. Go back and listen to all the dire predictions
>>> made by the environmentalists 30-40 years ago and see how many never
>>> materialized. Aren't we all supposed to be dead or living in a
>>> wasteland by now? Also, isn't there supposed to be no more oil left? I
>>> read the other day that it is estimated that we have only used 18% of
>>> the worlds known oil reserves. The trouble with today's scientific
>>> community is they have whored themselves out to the politicians to get
>>> money. I look at EVERYTHING from them with a skeptical eye and need to
>>> know who funded the research before remotely believing anything they say.
>>
>>
--

Spike
1965 Ford Mustang Fastback 2+2, Vintage Burgundy
w/Black Std Interior, A Code 289 C4 Trac-Lok;
Vintage 40 16" rims w/225/50ZR16 KDWS BF Goodrich
gForce Radial T/As, Cobra drop; surround sound
audio-video...
See my ride at....
Feb 2004- http://207.36.208.198/albums/86810/003_May_21_3004.jpg
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On Thu, 21 Sep 2006 18:11:20 -0700, GILL >
wrote:

>veegerNO wrote:
>> On 21 Sep 2006 06:11:59 -0700, wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Some years ago, I read an article that stated all human beings emit
>>>approximately one quart of methane gas, as "part of the digestive
>>>process", to put it kindly. How come you never the EPA gurus quote this
>>>fact that we are all contributing to the "global warming"?
>>>Just think, mutliply that by the total population of the world! And
>>>aminals too!
>>>Those folks in CA are nuts!
>>>JR.
>>
>>
>> Thanks for the compliment? I just love being lumped in with "those
>> folks in CA". I have met so many people who think, never having been
>> here, that the state is comprised of nothing but wall to wall people
>> living in a single, unending city. And I have met people who think
>> Sacramento is a couple of hours drive north of LA, or that the state
>> ends at San Francisco; or that anything north of LA is "northern
>> California". People who firmly believe that every resident of the
>> state is a bleeding heart liberal.
>>
>> Unfortunately, the voting blocks are largely liberal city folks who
>> have no concept of country life. People who pick up the phone when
>> they have a problem and the cops are there in a couple of minutes...
>> so nobody needs guns. They have never lived "out here" where it takes
>> the nearest county cop 45 minutes of hauling a** to reach a victim.
>>
>> For those who have never been here; in the state with the 5th largest
>> economy in the WORLD; the majority of the population is centered in
>> several major metro areas which amount to a very small fraction of the
>> state's total area. The rest is comprised of farms, orchards, ranch
>> lands, mountains, forests, etc; what we call "rural". Most of us
>> "rural" people are conservative, pro-hunting, pro-fishing, anti-flag
>> burning, against rewarding law breakers, and we're still NOT even
>> ultra conservatives.
>>
>> So, before you condemn all of us as "nuts"... how about getting to
>> know the state and it's peoples. You might just find that a good share
>> of us are not nuts.
>>
>> Added: My ancestors didn't arrive on the Mayflower :0), but they did
>> settle in northern California under a Spanish Land Grant prior to
>> 1840; well before there were any liberals. The liberals "nuts" came
>> long after; attracted by the wealth and climate.
>> --
>>

>
>I think they get these Ideas from TV. But yeah, it kind of ****es me off
> to be stereo typed, (even though I moved to the other blue state,
>Oregon) and I moved away from Orange County, a past Repulican stronghold.
>
>Sometimes I catch myself thinking how the whole deep south is a bunch of
>Billies, though I've never been there.

I've lived all over the country. There are great people everywhere,
and they have their fair share of idiots. Difference is, we import the
weirdo's to satisfy the tourists :0) LOL
--

Spike
1965 Ford Mustang Fastback 2+2, Vintage Burgundy
w/Black Std Interior, A Code 289 C4 Trac-Lok;
Vintage 40 16" rims w/225/50ZR16 KDWS BF Goodrich
gForce Radial T/As, Cobra drop; surround sound
audio-video...
See my ride at....
Feb 2004- http://207.36.208.198/albums/86810/003_May_21_3004.jpg
Feb 2004- http://207.36.208.198/albums/86810/005_May_21_2004.jpg
Jul 2005- http://207.36.208.198/albums/86810/d..._11_05_002.jpg
Jul 2005- http://207.36.208.198/albums/86810/E...ebuild_006.jpg

veegerNO wrote:

>
>
> I've lived all over the country. There are great people everywhere,
> and they have their fair share of idiots. Difference is, we import the
> weirdo's to satisfy the tourists :0) LOL
> --
>
> Spike
> 1965 Ford Mustang Fastback 2+2, Vintage Burgundy
> w/Black Std Interior, A Code 289 C4 Trac-Lok;
> Vintage 40 16" rims w/225/50ZR16 KDWS BF Goodrich
> gForce Radial T/As, Cobra drop; surround sound
> audio-video...
> See my ride at....
> Feb 2004- http://207.36.208.198/albums/86810/003_May_21_3004.jpg
> Feb 2004- http://207.36.208.198/albums/86810/005_May_21_2004.jpg
> Jul 2005- http://207.36.208.198/albums/86810/d..._11_05_002.jpg
> Jul 2005- http://207.36.208.198/albums/86810/E...ebuild_006.jpg

Yup, I've had this gut feeling that more people IN California, are not
FROM California.


--
Tropic Green Y2K Mustang GT
W/bits & pieces
http://tinyurl.com/eh99n

elaich wrote:
> "Michael Johnson, PE" > wrote in
> :
>
>> Plus do you think China, India, Latin America etc.
>> give a $hit about global warming and will stop their economic growth
>> because we think they should?
>
> I saw a satellite photo of the Pacific a few months ago, especially
> enhanced to show smoke. There was a plume of smoke coming from China that
> covered most of the Northern Pacific, all the way to the Aleutians and
> south past Hawaii. I wish I knew where it was, maybe somebody else knows?

It probably happens everyday.

veegerNO wrote:
> On Thu, 21 Sep 2006 13:37:55 -0400, "Michael Johnson, PE"
> > wrote:
>
>> Of course we will. Plus do you think China, India, Latin America etc.
>> give a $hit about global warming and will stop their economic growth
>> because we think they should? Heck no they won't. This whole CO2
>> emissions reduction idea is DOA before it even moves an inch. The
>> press, in conjunction with the liberals and extreme environmentalists,
>> have been trying to scare the hell out of everyone for the last several
>> years that we are all going to fry like an egg in a skillet if we don't
>> stop CO2 emissions. The level of the oceans have fluctuated over 400'
>> throughout history.
> A recent archeological survey seeking signs of the first humans to
> migrate to the Americas along the coast of Alaska, identified the
> remnants of forests and riverbeds at a dept of something like 690'.
>
> Twenty years ago is was the big freeze is coming. Next came global
> warming. And now, global warming which will initia te the big
> freeze....

Good point. Now they have all scenarios covered. Even the next ice age
is a result of global warming. This article (
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/14944138 ) is a good example of how they
spin everything to be the result of global warming. The press has said
very little about the cooling of the oceans over the past 3-4 years.
This doesn't support their agenda. Now they somehow are trying to spin
that the COOLING of the oceans is a result of global warming!

In article >, Michael Johnson, PE wrote:
> Of course we will. Plus do you think China, India, Latin America etc.
> give a $hit about global warming and will stop their economic growth
> because we think they should? Heck no they won't. This whole CO2
> emissions reduction idea is DOA before it even moves an inch.

The point of it is to further encourage manufacturing to be relocated to
China. China, India, Pakistan, etc etc etc are all exempt from the kyoto
treaty and all similiar proposals.

It's entirely anti-environment because it's about taking manufacturing
from where the environment is protected to where spewing toxins is a
practically a national past time. Where the air is translucent because of
pollution. And if one buys into the premise of CO2 based warming, it
doesn't matter if it comes frome Tianjin or Clevland.

There is a political and economic agenda being pushed. Part of that
agenda is to destroy the USA economically and build up China. going into
the whys, the hows, etc and how I see it fitting together would be going off
on a tangent. I'll just say that the apprently the model for the world is
China. Slave wages and total control over the people by a melded
government, corporate, military structure.

What I see with 'global warming' is just one facet of a bigger plan that
includes erasing the US borders and flooding the labor market and the
population with mexicans and others. It has nothing to do with
race/nationality but only with a divide and concquer plan where the US
population is not bound together in any way and fighting amugst itself.
It's an old trick that corporations used to play with their workforces
over a century ago. Now its being done to break a nation.