Ford Catches One Of Toyota's Big Fish

On Oct 18, 7:16 pm, Michael Johnson > wrote:

> > It's kinda like... when your football team stunk the previous year, you
> > don't get invited to play on Monday Night Football this year.

> Either that or your favorite football team changed its name and
> relocated to a new stadium on the other side of town and didn't bother
> to tell their fans. Then they wonder why the seats are empty on game day.

lol

EXACTLY!

Patrick

Read an article on him today in the paper. Apparently, he's a "good
guy". He used to hobnob with the little people in Toyota. Took a
doorman (I think) to a Lakers game once. Gazillion dollar seats.
That's the kind of guy the article painted him out to be. If it's true,
there's hope yet!


Michael Johnson > wrote in news:MqWdnX3c9tIx-
:

> Ford will probably air commercials in the Super Bowl that is worthless
> for generating meaningful sales. Something like showing a GT500 or
just
> flash concept cars that no one can buy. All I can say is this new guy
> from Toyota has his work cut out for him.
>
> Joe wrote:
>> Bah. We'll see how many ads Ford has in the next Superbowl. That'll
>> tell the real story.
>>
>>
>> "dwight" > wrote in
>> :
>>
>>> Ah, see, you just have to sign up for Ford's newsletters. They're
>>> pushing the Taurus bigtime through their email campaign.
>>>
>>> dwight
>>>
>>> "Michael Johnson" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>> My Name Is Nobody wrote:
>>>>> "Michael Johnson" > wrote in message
>>>>> ...
>>>>>> I have yet to see one Taurus commercial. They need a full on ad
>>>>>> bliz for it, IMO.
>>>>> You never saw a commercial for it when it was the Ford 500
either...
>>>>> Ford needs to pull their head out of their ass...
>>>> Hopefully they will let this guy from Toyota do that for them. If
>>>> they don't then their future looks very bleak.
>>>>
>>>>>> Tony Alonso wrote:
>>>>>>> The Taurus is already on sale, and there have already been
>>>>>>> commercials that advertise it as one of the safest fullsize cars
-
>>>>>>> http://www.autoblog.com/2007/06/15/f...afety-ads-set-
to-
>> go
>>>>>>> -live/
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> However, there is still "fixing" to do because even with the
name
>>>>>>> change, the sales are not where they were hoped to be -
>>>>>>> http://www.autoobserver.com/2007/10/...aurus-wha.html
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Michael Johnson wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The pickup ads are possibly their one bright spot, IMO. They
>>>>>>>> have Mike Rowe from the show "Dirty Jobs" as the spokesman and
he
>>>>>>>> is fairly entertaining in them. I see Ford truck commercials
>>>>>>>> quite a bit but I watch The History Channel, Discovery Channel,
>>>>>>>> Science Channel, HGTV, Food Network, National Geographic and
>>>>>>>> reruns of CSI 90% of the time. I think you're not seeing Ford
500
>>>>>>>> commercials because they are getting ready to badge it as the
new
>>>>>>>> Taurus. I see way to many Mercury commercials with that chick.
>>>>>>>> I know they are trying to sell them to women but they need
>>>>>>>> another marketing approach.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Ashton Crusher wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I sure hope so. I think most of their commercials suck big
>>>>>>>>> time. In some of them they flash the pictures of the car so
>>>>>>>>> fast that you don't
>>>>>>>>> get a long enough view to even tell what they look like.
Maybe
>>>>>>>>> it's just my choice of TV shows but I never see any ads for
the
>>>>>>>>> 500 and that should be one of their main profit centers. Come
>>>>>>>>> to think of it,
>>>>>>>>> I don't see a whole lot of ads for their pickups either.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 12 Oct 2007 19:14:02 -0400, Michael Johnson
>>>>>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I read this the other day. I wonder if it will make a
>>>>>>>>>> difference for Ford.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Ford Motor Co. today said that James D. Farley, group vice
>>>>>>>>>>> president
>>>>>>>>>>> of Toyota Motor Co.'s Lexus Division, will be Ford's first
>>>>>>>>>>> chief marketing and communications officer.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> "We are thrilled to welcome one of the most successful and
>>>>>>>>>>> talented leaders in the industry to the Ford Motor Company
>>>>>>>>>>> team," CEO Alan Mulally said in a statement, confirming a
>>>>>>>>>>> story first reported in this
>>>>>>>>>>> column today. "Jim Farley is well known for innovative
>>>>>>>>>>> marketing strategies that connect great products to today's
>>>>>>>>>>> and tomorrow's customers. Ford's quality and vehicles are
now
>>>>>>>>>>> on par with the best of
>>>>>>>>>>> the competition. We look forward to Jim's leadership to
>>>>>>>>>>> combine world-
>>>>>>>>>>> class marketing with our world-class products worldwide."
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> The move is a signature appointment by Mulally, who has
openly
>>>>>>>>>>> criticized Ford's marketing efforts and signaled his desire
to
>>>>>>>>>>> install
>>>>>>>>>>> top marketing talent at the Glass House. Farley's arrival
also
>>>>>>>>>>> will be
>>>>>>>>>>> yet another high-profile defection from vaunted Toyota to a
>>>>>>>>>>> Detroit automaker, suggesting that highly regarded industry
>>>>>>>>>>> pros see opportunity in their beleaguered rivals.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> "Farley is their superstar," a source familiar with the
>>>>>>>>>>> situation told
>>>>>>>>>>> me today, adding that Ford has been talking with Farley off
>>>>>>>>>>> and on for
>>>>>>>>>>> a year. "It's a done deal. This is a good move for us. This
is
>>>>>>>>>>> the guy
>>>>>>>>>>> we wanted. He has an engineering background."
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> The appointment of Farley, 45, was approved today by Ford's
>>>>>>>>>>> directors.
>>>>>>>>>>> As the first head of global marketing and communications for
>>>>>>>>>>> Ford, he
>>>>>>>>>>> would assume what is arguably the industry's most monumental
>>>>>>>>>>> marketing
>>>>>>>>>>> challenge. Ford has foundered amid weak campaigns, discarded
>>>>>>>>>>> and then
>>>>>>>>>>> revived brand names like Taurus, poor product definition and
>>>>>>>>>>> plunging
>>>>>>>>>>> market share.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Under Mulally, an aerospace engineer and 37-year veteran of
>>>>>>>>>>> Boeing Co.
>>>>>>>>>>> before arriving at Ford last fall, key marketing decisions
--
>>>>>>>>>>> such as
>>>>>>>>>>> reviving the Taurus model name -- have been pushed by him, a
>>>>>>>>>>> engineer-
>>>>>>>>>>> cum-CEO who understands his limitations in the marketing
>>>>>>>>>>> world.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> It's hard to overstate the symbolism of Farley's appointment
>>>>>>>>>>> by Ford.
>>>>>>>>>>> That a rising Toyota star, the head of Lexus and a founder
of
>>>>>>>>>>> its Scion youth brand would bolt the Japanese juggernaut for
>>>>>>>>>>> the struggling Blue Oval is a testament to Mulally's
>>>>>>>>>>> leadership, the strength of Ford's current lineup, the
promise
>>>>>>>>>>> of its future products
>>>>>>>>>>> and the upside in it all.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> And unlike Chrysler LLC, which could use the opaque world of
>>>>>>>>>>> private
>>>>>>>>>>> equity to woo Farley's old boss, Jim Press, from Toyota
North
>>>>>>>>>>> America
>>>>>>>>>>> to Auburn Hills, Ford is doing so in the more transparent
>>>>>>>>>>> world of public companies.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> These moves are not accidental, but instead telegraph a
>>>>>>>>>>> determination
>>>>>>>>>>> to land top talent at Detroit companies that have
historically
>>>>>>>>>>> shunned
>>>>>>>>>>> outsiders. Not anymore. Both Ford and Chrysler now are
headed
>>>>>>>>>>> by industry outsiders whose paths to the CEO offices here
were
>>>>>>>>>>> paved by
>>>>>>>>>>> their success elsewhere and their willingness to look
outside
>>>>>>>>>>> their new companies for the best marketing talent they can
>>>>>>>>>>> find.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Mulally, for one, has long been an admirer of Toyota. While
>>>>>>>>>>> head of Boeing's commercial aviation unit, he studied its
>>>>>>>>>>> production methods
>>>>>>>>>>> and adapted them to aircraft assembly. Nor is he shy about
>>>>>>>>>>> conceding
>>>>>>>>>>> that the model he envisions for Ford -- "one Ford," built
>>>>>>>>>>> around the
>>>>>>>>>>> promise of a solid Blue Oval, not ancillary, money-losing
>>>>>>>>>>> luxury brands -- is the Toyota model.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Before heading Lexus, the nation's top-selling luxury brand,
>>>>>>>>>>> Farley was group vice president of Toyota Division
marketing.
>>>>>>>>>>> He was responsible for all Toyota Division market planning,
>>>>>>>>>>> advertising, merchandising, sales promotion, incentives and
>>>>>>>>>>> Internet activities. He
>>>>>>>>>>> also served as vice president of Scion, Toyota's
>>>>>>>>>>> youth-oriented brand.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Farley, who earned a bachelor's degree from Georgetown
>>>>>>>>>>> University and
>>>>>>>>>>> an MBA from UCLA, joined Toyota in 1990 in the
>>>>>>>>>>> strategic-planning department.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> ---end of article ----
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Very interesting. First Chrysler lures Toyota's Jim Press
>>>>>>>>>>> away, and
>>>>>>>>>>> now Ford grabs Farley. Either Toyota has an over abundance
of
>>>>>>>>>>> talent,
>>>>>>>>>>> is cleaning house after a string of recent recalls or maybe
>>>>>>>>>>> after climbing the mountain to the #1 spot (it's easier to
get
>>>>>>>>>>> there than stay there) it's starting to come apart at the
>>>>>>>>>>> seams. We shall see...
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Patrick
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>
>>
>

"Michael Johnson" > wrote in message
...
>
> IMO, they should have morphed the Taurus into a cross over vehicle and it
> would have been as radical a move as when the original Taurus hit the
> showrooms but that move is three years too late now. That Taurus could
> have been touted as redefining the family hauler.

Huh? Don't tell me you haven't heard of the Taurus X???
http://www.fordvehicles.com/crossovers/taurusx/

(Is that what used to be the Freestyle?)

I guess Ford really should advertise more.

dwight

dwight wrote:
> "Michael Johnson" > wrote in message
> ...
>> IMO, they should have morphed the Taurus into a cross over vehicle and it
>> would have been as radical a move as when the original Taurus hit the
>> showrooms but that move is three years too late now. That Taurus could
>> have been touted as redefining the family hauler.
>
> Huh? Don't tell me you haven't heard of the Taurus X???
> http://www.fordvehicles.com/crossovers/taurusx/
>
> (Is that what used to be the Freestyle?)
>
> I guess Ford really should advertise more.

The only way I know about the Taurus X is I visited their website to
research a statement I made in this thread. Otherwise, I still wouldn't
know it is for sale. BTW, the "X" version looks like a Volvo wagon
knockoff to me.

Sounds like he at least understands the common people. More than I can
say for the Ford family.

Joe wrote:
> Read an article on him today in the paper. Apparently, he's a "good
> guy". He used to hobnob with the little people in Toyota. Took a
> doorman (I think) to a Lakers game once. Gazillion dollar seats.
> That's the kind of guy the article painted him out to be. If it's true,
> there's hope yet!
>
>
> Michael Johnson > wrote in news:MqWdnX3c9tIx-
> :
>
>> Ford will probably air commercials in the Super Bowl that is worthless
>> for generating meaningful sales. Something like showing a GT500 or
> just
>> flash concept cars that no one can buy. All I can say is this new guy
>> from Toyota has his work cut out for him.
>>
>> Joe wrote:
>>> Bah. We'll see how many ads Ford has in the next Superbowl. That'll
>>> tell the real story.
>>>
>>>
>>> "dwight" > wrote in
>>> :
>>>
>>>> Ah, see, you just have to sign up for Ford's newsletters. They're
>>>> pushing the Taurus bigtime through their email campaign.
>>>>
>>>> dwight
>>>>
>>>> "Michael Johnson" > wrote in message
>>>> ...
>>>>> My Name Is Nobody wrote:
>>>>>> "Michael Johnson" > wrote in message
>>>>>> ...
>>>>>>> I have yet to see one Taurus commercial. They need a full on ad
>>>>>>> bliz for it, IMO.
>>>>>> You never saw a commercial for it when it was the Ford 500
> either...
>>>>>> Ford needs to pull their head out of their ass...
>>>>> Hopefully they will let this guy from Toyota do that for them. If
>>>>> they don't then their future looks very bleak.
>>>>>
>>>>>>> Tony Alonso wrote:
>>>>>>>> The Taurus is already on sale, and there have already been
>>>>>>>> commercials that advertise it as one of the safest fullsize cars
> -
>>>>>>>> http://www.autoblog.com/2007/06/15/f...afety-ads-set-
> to-
>>> go
>>>>>>>> -live/
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> However, there is still "fixing" to do because even with the
> name
>>>>>>>> change, the sales are not where they were hoped to be -
>>>>>>>> http://www.autoobserver.com/2007/10/...aurus-wha.html
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Michael Johnson wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The pickup ads are possibly their one bright spot, IMO. They
>>>>>>>>> have Mike Rowe from the show "Dirty Jobs" as the spokesman and
> he
>>>>>>>>> is fairly entertaining in them. I see Ford truck commercials
>>>>>>>>> quite a bit but I watch The History Channel, Discovery Channel,
>>>>>>>>> Science Channel, HGTV, Food Network, National Geographic and
>>>>>>>>> reruns of CSI 90% of the time. I think you're not seeing Ford
> 500
>>>>>>>>> commercials because they are getting ready to badge it as the
> new
>>>>>>>>> Taurus. I see way to many Mercury commercials with that chick.
>>>>>>>>> I know they are trying to sell them to women but they need
>>>>>>>>> another marketing approach.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Ashton Crusher wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I sure hope so. I think most of their commercials suck big
>>>>>>>>>> time. In some of them they flash the pictures of the car so
>>>>>>>>>> fast that you don't
>>>>>>>>>> get a long enough view to even tell what they look like.
> Maybe
>>>>>>>>>> it's just my choice of TV shows but I never see any ads for
> the
>>>>>>>>>> 500 and that should be one of their main profit centers. Come
>>>>>>>>>> to think of it,
>>>>>>>>>> I don't see a whole lot of ads for their pickups either.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 12 Oct 2007 19:14:02 -0400, Michael Johnson
>>>>>>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I read this the other day. I wonder if it will make a
>>>>>>>>>>> difference for Ford.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Ford Motor Co. today said that James D. Farley, group vice
>>>>>>>>>>>> president
>>>>>>>>>>>> of Toyota Motor Co.'s Lexus Division, will be Ford's first
>>>>>>>>>>>> chief marketing and communications officer.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> "We are thrilled to welcome one of the most successful and
>>>>>>>>>>>> talented leaders in the industry to the Ford Motor Company
>>>>>>>>>>>> team," CEO Alan Mulally said in a statement, confirming a
>>>>>>>>>>>> story first reported in this
>>>>>>>>>>>> column today. "Jim Farley is well known for innovative
>>>>>>>>>>>> marketing strategies that connect great products to today's
>>>>>>>>>>>> and tomorrow's customers. Ford's quality and vehicles are
> now
>>>>>>>>>>>> on par with the best of
>>>>>>>>>>>> the competition. We look forward to Jim's leadership to
>>>>>>>>>>>> combine world-
>>>>>>>>>>>> class marketing with our world-class products worldwide."
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> The move is a signature appointment by Mulally, who has
> openly
>>>>>>>>>>>> criticized Ford's marketing efforts and signaled his desire
> to
>>>>>>>>>>>> install
>>>>>>>>>>>> top marketing talent at the Glass House. Farley's arrival
> also
>>>>>>>>>>>> will be
>>>>>>>>>>>> yet another high-profile defection from vaunted Toyota to a
>>>>>>>>>>>> Detroit automaker, suggesting that highly regarded industry
>>>>>>>>>>>> pros see opportunity in their beleaguered rivals.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> "Farley is their superstar," a source familiar with the
>>>>>>>>>>>> situation told
>>>>>>>>>>>> me today, adding that Ford has been talking with Farley off
>>>>>>>>>>>> and on for
>>>>>>>>>>>> a year. "It's a done deal. This is a good move for us. This
> is
>>>>>>>>>>>> the guy
>>>>>>>>>>>> we wanted. He has an engineering background."
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> The appointment of Farley, 45, was approved today by Ford's
>>>>>>>>>>>> directors.
>>>>>>>>>>>> As the first head of global marketing and communications for
>>>>>>>>>>>> Ford, he
>>>>>>>>>>>> would assume what is arguably the industry's most monumental
>>>>>>>>>>>> marketing
>>>>>>>>>>>> challenge. Ford has foundered amid weak campaigns, discarded
>>>>>>>>>>>> and then
>>>>>>>>>>>> revived brand names like Taurus, poor product definition and
>>>>>>>>>>>> plunging
>>>>>>>>>>>> market share.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Under Mulally, an aerospace engineer and 37-year veteran of
>>>>>>>>>>>> Boeing Co.
>>>>>>>>>>>> before arriving at Ford last fall, key marketing decisions
> --
>>>>>>>>>>>> such as
>>>>>>>>>>>> reviving the Taurus model name -- have been pushed by him, a
>>>>>>>>>>>> engineer-
>>>>>>>>>>>> cum-CEO who understands his limitations in the marketing
>>>>>>>>>>>> world.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> It's hard to overstate the symbolism of Farley's appointment
>>>>>>>>>>>> by Ford.
>>>>>>>>>>>> That a rising Toyota star, the head of Lexus and a founder
> of
>>>>>>>>>>>> its Scion youth brand would bolt the Japanese juggernaut for
>>>>>>>>>>>> the struggling Blue Oval is a testament to Mulally's
>>>>>>>>>>>> leadership, the strength of Ford's current lineup, the
> promise
>>>>>>>>>>>> of its future products
>>>>>>>>>>>> and the upside in it all.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> And unlike Chrysler LLC, which could use the opaque world of
>>>>>>>>>>>> private
>>>>>>>>>>>> equity to woo Farley's old boss, Jim Press, from Toyota
> North
>>>>>>>>>>>> America
>>>>>>>>>>>> to Auburn Hills, Ford is doing so in the more transparent
>>>>>>>>>>>> world of public companies.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> These moves are not accidental, but instead telegraph a
>>>>>>>>>>>> determination
>>>>>>>>>>>> to land top talent at Detroit companies that have
> historically
>>>>>>>>>>>> shunned
>>>>>>>>>>>> outsiders. Not anymore. Both Ford and Chrysler now are
> headed
>>>>>>>>>>>> by industry outsiders whose paths to the CEO offices here
> were
>>>>>>>>>>>> paved by
>>>>>>>>>>>> their success elsewhere and their willingness to look
> outside
>>>>>>>>>>>> their new companies for the best marketing talent they can
>>>>>>>>>>>> find.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Mulally, for one, has long been an admirer of Toyota. While
>>>>>>>>>>>> head of Boeing's commercial aviation unit, he studied its
>>>>>>>>>>>> production methods
>>>>>>>>>>>> and adapted them to aircraft assembly. Nor is he shy about
>>>>>>>>>>>> conceding
>>>>>>>>>>>> that the model he envisions for Ford -- "one Ford," built
>>>>>>>>>>>> around the
>>>>>>>>>>>> promise of a solid Blue Oval, not ancillary, money-losing
>>>>>>>>>>>> luxury brands -- is the Toyota model.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Before heading Lexus, the nation's top-selling luxury brand,
>>>>>>>>>>>> Farley was group vice president of Toyota Division
> marketing.
>>>>>>>>>>>> He was responsible for all Toyota Division market planning,
>>>>>>>>>>>> advertising, merchandising, sales promotion, incentives and
>>>>>>>>>>>> Internet activities. He
>>>>>>>>>>>> also served as vice president of Scion, Toyota's
>>>>>>>>>>>> youth-oriented brand.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Farley, who earned a bachelor's degree from Georgetown
>>>>>>>>>>>> University and
>>>>>>>>>>>> an MBA from UCLA, joined Toyota in 1990 in the
>>>>>>>>>>>> strategic-planning department.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> ---end of article ----
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Very interesting. First Chrysler lures Toyota's Jim Press
>>>>>>>>>>>> away, and
>>>>>>>>>>>> now Ford grabs Farley. Either Toyota has an over abundance
> of
>>>>>>>>>>>> talent,
>>>>>>>>>>>> is cleaning house after a string of recent recalls or maybe
>>>>>>>>>>>> after climbing the mountain to the #1 spot (it's easier to
> get
>>>>>>>>>>>> there than stay there) it's starting to come apart at the
>>>>>>>>>>>> seams. We shall see...
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Patrick
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>

wrote:
> On Oct 14, 8:10 pm, WindsorFox > wrote:
>
>> I always hated the Chevy truck ads where they always
>> compare themselves to Ford by name. IMO that's a sign of someone who
>> knows they are behind and disparate to catch up, knowing their product
>> is inferior.
>
> I could not agree more! To cite the competition in your ads by name
> is, IMO, affirming/reminding that THEY are the standard. Dumb, dumb,
> dumb...
>
> Patrick
>

Although maybe they should try that now, I mean from head on the new
GM truck looks like a Ford and from the ass end it looks like a Dodge.

--
"Are you da poe-lice?" "No ma'am, we're musicians."

"So round, so firm, so fully packed, so easy on the draw" - Daffy Duck

Ahem. You're talking to someone who thinks that
popping a sail atop a 3,000 pound motor vehicle
is a viable alternative. - dwight

dwight wrote:
> "Michael Johnson" > wrote in message
> ...
>> IMO, they should have morphed the Taurus into a cross over vehicle and it
>> would have been as radical a move as when the original Taurus hit the
>> showrooms but that move is three years too late now. That Taurus could
>> have been touted as redefining the family hauler.
>
> Huh? Don't tell me you haven't heard of the Taurus X???
> http://www.fordvehicles.com/crossovers/taurusx/
>
> (Is that what used to be the Freestyle?)
>
> I guess Ford really should advertise more.
>
> dwight
>
>

Yes they should. Looks like they have some Toyota people already on
the design team, that new and upcoming Flex looks like that horrible
little shoebox Scion with a Lincoln grill shoved in the front.

--
"Are you da poe-lice?" "No ma'am, we're musicians."

"So round, so firm, so fully packed, so easy on the draw" - Daffy Duck

Ahem. You're talking to someone who thinks that
popping a sail atop a 3,000 pound motor vehicle
is a viable alternative. - dwight

Ford reported 250 billion dollars profit this year. Take a drive in to
your local town and look at how many f series trucks, mustangs,and ford
suvs are on the highway. I know in the area of s.c that I live in you
cant even keep count.GM had to make up some b.s employee discount just
to keep with Ford. The worse they say they are doing the more we as
brand lovers want to help bring them back up. If Ford or GM are broke
with all the 07 and 08 models they are selling, someone has a bad crack
smoking problem. Dont believe the media thats what they want you to do.

Chris wrote:
> Ford reported 250 billion dollars profit this year. Take a drive in to
> your local town and look at how many f series trucks, mustangs,and ford
> suvs are on the highway. I know in the area of s.c that I live in you
> cant even keep count.GM had to make up some b.s employee discount just
> to keep with Ford. The worse they say they are doing the more we as
> brand lovers want to help bring them back up. If Ford or GM are broke
> with all the 07 and 08 models they are selling, someone has a bad crack
> smoking problem. Dont believe the media thats what they want you to do.

Why is Ford's stock so low if they are doing so well?