helical spring washers

On 07/02/2013 05:36 AM, Nate Nagel wrote:
> On 07/02/2013 04:06 AM, Brake Dive, Acceleration Squat and Body Roll
> Bros Suspension Works wrote:
>>> the fastener selected was the incorrect one for the application or
>>> something like a thread locking compound, some kind of prevailing torque
>>> locking nut, or something like a Marsden nut should be used.
>>>
>> how does marsden work?
>> (
>> from some of the pictures googled it looks like a free spinning nut
>> )
>
> It's a very old school arrangement, and I was trying to find you a good
> explanation online and failing... but basically it *is* free spinning
> when installed, then it's staked with a special tool to lock it.
>
> I never had the special tool, nor can I find a picture of it...

staking tool my ass.

www.google.com/patents/US1734445

now stop polluting the interwebs with your misinformation. idiot.


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On 07/02/2013 11:20 AM, jim beam wrote:
> On 07/02/2013 05:36 AM, Nate Nagel wrote:
>> On 07/02/2013 04:06 AM, Brake Dive, Acceleration Squat and Body Roll
>> Bros Suspension Works wrote:
>>>> the fastener selected was the incorrect one for the application or
>>>> something like a thread locking compound, some kind of prevailing
>>>> torque
>>>> locking nut, or something like a Marsden nut should be used.
>>>>
>>> how does marsden work?
>>> (
>>> from some of the pictures googled it looks like a free spinning nut
>>> )
>>
>> It's a very old school arrangement, and I was trying to find you a good
>> explanation online and failing... but basically it *is* free spinning
>> when installed, then it's staked with a special tool to lock it.
>>
>> I never had the special tool, nor can I find a picture of it...
>
> staking tool my ass.
>
> www.google.com/patents/US1734445
>
> now stop polluting the interwebs with your misinformation. idiot.
>
>

Maybe I've been given the wrong terminology, but on some older cars that
I've worked on some of the suspension nuts look exactly like the one
given in the patent you posted, however, on one flat of the nut there
will be a small rectangular indentation and the nut is difficult to
remove, requiring use of a wrench or ratchet the whole way off even if
the threads are in excellent condition.

Every time I've asked an old school mechanic about this, they've said
"oh, those are Marsden nuts, and they're staked after they've been
properly torqued - that's what that indentation is" or something to that
effect.

I've also been told that they were used in military applications.

I've searched online to try to find a picture of this arrangement but
I'm failing miserably. Wish I had an original car that used them so I
could snap a pic so you could see what I'm talking about. Searching
just yields a lot of references to AR-15s which apparently have a nut
that uses similar terminology but don't look anything like what I'm
talking about and the nut itself is not staked but the piece it threads
against.

Whenever coming across those I've always replaced them with ovalized
nuts as that seems to be the modern equivalent.

nate

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On 7/2/2013 11:21 AM, Nate Nagel wrote:
> On 07/02/2013 11:20 AM, jim beam wrote:
>> On 07/02/2013 05:36 AM, Nate Nagel wrote:
>>> On 07/02/2013 04:06 AM, Brake Dive, Acceleration Squat
>>> and Body Roll
>>> Bros Suspension Works wrote:
>>>>> the fastener selected was the incorrect one for the
>>>>> application or
>>>>> something like a thread locking compound, some kind of
>>>>> prevailing
>>>>> torque
>>>>> locking nut, or something like a Marsden nut should be
>>>>> used.
>>>>>
>>>> how does marsden work?
>>>> (
>>>> from some of the pictures googled it looks like a free
>>>> spinning nut
>>>> )
>>>
>>> It's a very old school arrangement, and I was trying to
>>> find you a good
>>> explanation online and failing... but basically it *is*
>>> free spinning
>>> when installed, then it's staked with a special tool to
>>> lock it.
>>>
>>> I never had the special tool, nor can I find a picture of
>>> it...
>>
>> staking tool my ass.
>>
>> www.google.com/patents/US1734445
>>
>> now stop polluting the interwebs with your
>> misinformation. idiot.
>>
>>
>
> Maybe I've been given the wrong terminology, but on some
> older cars that I've worked on some of the suspension nuts
> look exactly like the one given in the patent you posted,
> however, on one flat of the nut there will be a small
> rectangular indentation and the nut is difficult to remove,
> requiring use of a wrench or ratchet the whole way off even
> if the threads are in excellent condition.
>
> Every time I've asked an old school mechanic about this,
> they've said "oh, those are Marsden nuts, and they're staked
> after they've been properly torqued - that's what that
> indentation is" or something to that effect.
>
> I've also been told that they were used in military
> applications.
>
> I've searched online to try to find a picture of this
> arrangement but I'm failing miserably. Wish I had an
> original car that used them so I could snap a pic so you
> could see what I'm talking about. Searching just yields a
> lot of references to AR-15s which apparently have a nut that
> uses similar terminology but don't look anything like what
> I'm talking about and the nut itself is not staked but the
> piece it threads against.
>
> Whenever coming across those I've always replaced them with
> ovalized nuts as that seems to be the modern equivalent.
>
> nate
>

Something like these?

http://catalog.alcoafasteners.com/vi...g-self-locking

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On Tue, 02 Jul 2013 12:21:28 -0400, Nate Nagel >
wrote:

>On 07/02/2013 11:20 AM, jim beam wrote:
>> On 07/02/2013 05:36 AM, Nate Nagel wrote:
>>> On 07/02/2013 04:06 AM, Brake Dive, Acceleration Squat and Body Roll
>>> Bros Suspension Works wrote:
>>>>> the fastener selected was the incorrect one for the application or
>>>>> something like a thread locking compound, some kind of prevailing
>>>>> torque
>>>>> locking nut, or something like a Marsden nut should be used.
>>>>>
>>>> how does marsden work?
>>>> (
>>>> from some of the pictures googled it looks like a free spinning nut
>>>> )
>>>
>>> It's a very old school arrangement, and I was trying to find you a good
>>> explanation online and failing... but basically it *is* free spinning
>>> when installed, then it's staked with a special tool to lock it.
>>>
>>> I never had the special tool, nor can I find a picture of it...
>>
>> staking tool my ass.
>>
>> www.google.com/patents/US1734445
>>
>> now stop polluting the interwebs with your misinformation. idiot.
>>
>>
>
>Maybe I've been given the wrong terminology, but on some older cars that
>I've worked on some of the suspension nuts look exactly like the one
>given in the patent you posted, however, on one flat of the nut there
>will be a small rectangular indentation and the nut is difficult to
>remove, requiring use of a wrench or ratchet the whole way off even if
>the threads are in excellent condition.
>
>Every time I've asked an old school mechanic about this, they've said
>"oh, those are Marsden nuts, and they're staked after they've been
>properly torqued - that's what that indentation is" or something to that
>effect.
>
>I've also been told that they were used in military applications.
>
>I've searched online to try to find a picture of this arrangement but
>I'm failing miserably. Wish I had an original car that used them so I
>could snap a pic so you could see what I'm talking about. Searching
>just yields a lot of references to AR-15s which apparently have a nut
>that uses similar terminology but don't look anything like what I'm
>talking about and the nut itself is not staked but the piece it threads
>against.
>
>Whenever coming across those I've always replaced them with ovalized
>nuts as that seems to be the modern equivalent.
>
>nate


Good explanation of how they work here. Also has info on lots of
other nuts.

http://books.google.com/books?id=8Od... 0nut&f=false

or use the below

http://tinyurl.com/marsdennut

On 07/02/2013 01:13 PM, AMuzi wrote:
> On 7/2/2013 11:21 AM, Nate Nagel wrote:
>> On 07/02/2013 11:20 AM, jim beam wrote:
>>> On 07/02/2013 05:36 AM, Nate Nagel wrote:
>>>> On 07/02/2013 04:06 AM, Brake Dive, Acceleration Squat
>>>> and Body Roll
>>>> Bros Suspension Works wrote:
>>>>>> the fastener selected was the incorrect one for the
>>>>>> application or
>>>>>> something like a thread locking compound, some kind of
>>>>>> prevailing
>>>>>> torque
>>>>>> locking nut, or something like a Marsden nut should be
>>>>>> used.
>>>>>>
>>>>> how does marsden work?
>>>>> (
>>>>> from some of the pictures googled it looks like a free
>>>>> spinning nut
>>>>> )
>>>>
>>>> It's a very old school arrangement, and I was trying to
>>>> find you a good
>>>> explanation online and failing... but basically it *is*
>>>> free spinning
>>>> when installed, then it's staked with a special tool to
>>>> lock it.
>>>>
>>>> I never had the special tool, nor can I find a picture of
>>>> it...
>>>
>>> staking tool my ass.
>>>
>>> www.google.com/patents/US1734445
>>>
>>> now stop polluting the interwebs with your
>>> misinformation. idiot.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Maybe I've been given the wrong terminology, but on some
>> older cars that I've worked on some of the suspension nuts
>> look exactly like the one given in the patent you posted,
>> however, on one flat of the nut there will be a small
>> rectangular indentation and the nut is difficult to remove,
>> requiring use of a wrench or ratchet the whole way off even
>> if the threads are in excellent condition.
>>
>> Every time I've asked an old school mechanic about this,
>> they've said "oh, those are Marsden nuts, and they're staked
>> after they've been properly torqued - that's what that
>> indentation is" or something to that effect.
>>
>> I've also been told that they were used in military
>> applications.
>>
>> I've searched online to try to find a picture of this
>> arrangement but I'm failing miserably. Wish I had an
>> original car that used them so I could snap a pic so you
>> could see what I'm talking about. Searching just yields a
>> lot of references to AR-15s which apparently have a nut that
>> uses similar terminology but don't look anything like what
>> I'm talking about and the nut itself is not staked but the
>> piece it threads against.
>>
>> Whenever coming across those I've always replaced them with
>> ovalized nuts as that seems to be the modern equivalent.
>>
>> nate
>>
>
> Something like these?
>
> http://catalog.alcoafasteners.com/vi...g-self-locking
>
>

No, they actually look exactly like the patent that jim beam posted, but
staked. I'm trying to remember an exact application; I remember
fighting with them but don't remember exactly where. Definitely on a
Studebaker, but it wasn't the tie rod ends - those are castle nuts.

nate

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On 07/02/2013 04:33 PM, Nate Nagel wrote:
> On 07/02/2013 01:13 PM, AMuzi wrote:
>> On 7/2/2013 11:21 AM, Nate Nagel wrote:
>>> On 07/02/2013 11:20 AM, jim beam wrote:
>>>> On 07/02/2013 05:36 AM, Nate Nagel wrote:
>>>>> On 07/02/2013 04:06 AM, Brake Dive, Acceleration Squat
>>>>> and Body Roll
>>>>> Bros Suspension Works wrote:
>>>>>>> the fastener selected was the incorrect one for the
>>>>>>> application or
>>>>>>> something like a thread locking compound, some kind of
>>>>>>> prevailing
>>>>>>> torque
>>>>>>> locking nut, or something like a Marsden nut should be
>>>>>>> used.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> how does marsden work?
>>>>>> (
>>>>>> from some of the pictures googled it looks like a free
>>>>>> spinning nut
>>>>>> )
>>>>>
>>>>> It's a very old school arrangement, and I was trying to
>>>>> find you a good
>>>>> explanation online and failing... but basically it *is*
>>>>> free spinning
>>>>> when installed, then it's staked with a special tool to
>>>>> lock it.
>>>>>
>>>>> I never had the special tool, nor can I find a picture of
>>>>> it...
>>>>
>>>> staking tool my ass.
>>>>
>>>> www.google.com/patents/US1734445
>>>>
>>>> now stop polluting the interwebs with your
>>>> misinformation. idiot.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> Maybe I've been given the wrong terminology, but on some
>>> older cars that I've worked on some of the suspension nuts
>>> look exactly like the one given in the patent you posted,
>>> however, on one flat of the nut there will be a small
>>> rectangular indentation and the nut is difficult to remove,
>>> requiring use of a wrench or ratchet the whole way off even
>>> if the threads are in excellent condition.
>>>
>>> Every time I've asked an old school mechanic about this,
>>> they've said "oh, those are Marsden nuts, and they're staked
>>> after they've been properly torqued - that's what that
>>> indentation is" or something to that effect.
>>>
>>> I've also been told that they were used in military
>>> applications.
>>>
>>> I've searched online to try to find a picture of this
>>> arrangement but I'm failing miserably. Wish I had an
>>> original car that used them so I could snap a pic so you
>>> could see what I'm talking about. Searching just yields a
>>> lot of references to AR-15s which apparently have a nut that
>>> uses similar terminology but don't look anything like what
>>> I'm talking about and the nut itself is not staked but the
>>> piece it threads against.
>>>
>>> Whenever coming across those I've always replaced them with
>>> ovalized nuts as that seems to be the modern equivalent.
>>>
>>> nate
>>>
>>
>> Something like these?
>>
>> http://catalog.alcoafasteners.com/vi...g-self-locking
>>
>>
>>
>
> No, they actually look exactly like the patent that jim beam posted, but
> staked. I'm trying to remember an exact application; I remember
> fighting with them but don't remember exactly where. Definitely on a
> Studebaker, but it wasn't the tie rod ends - those are castle nuts.
>
> nate
>

Maybe it was the lower control arm nuts.

....but all my factory parts books are well packed away in a storage
locker at the moment...

nate

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On 07/02/2013 09:21 AM, Nate Nagel wrote:
> On 07/02/2013 11:20 AM, jim beam wrote:
>> On 07/02/2013 05:36 AM, Nate Nagel wrote:
>>> On 07/02/2013 04:06 AM, Brake Dive, Acceleration Squat and Body Roll
>>> Bros Suspension Works wrote:
>>>>> the fastener selected was the incorrect one for the application or
>>>>> something like a thread locking compound, some kind of prevailing
>>>>> torque
>>>>> locking nut, or something like a Marsden nut should be used.
>>>>>
>>>> how does marsden work?
>>>> (
>>>> from some of the pictures googled it looks like a free spinning nut
>>>> )
>>>
>>> It's a very old school arrangement, and I was trying to find you a good
>>> explanation online and failing... but basically it *is* free spinning
>>> when installed, then it's staked with a special tool to lock it.
>>>
>>> I never had the special tool, nor can I find a picture of it...
>>
>> staking tool my ass.
>>
>> www.google.com/patents/US1734445
>>
>> now stop polluting the interwebs with your misinformation. idiot.
>>
>>
>
> Maybe I've been given the wrong terminology,

no, you're quite unequivocal in your misinformation and/or the repeated
regurgitation thereof.


> but on some older cars that
> I've worked on some of the suspension nuts look exactly like the one
> given in the patent you posted, however, on one flat of the nut there
> will be a small rectangular indentation and the nut is difficult to
> remove, requiring use of a wrench or ratchet the whole way off even if
> the threads are in excellent condition.

since when was some beaten up piece of carp "evidence" on which to make
up complete bull**** with which you then pollute the net? and since
when did rust ever /not/ make a bolt difficult to remove???


>
> Every time I've asked an old school mechanic about this, they've said
> "oh, those are Marsden nuts, and they're staked after they've been
> properly torqued - that's what that indentation is" or something to that
> effect.

a bull****ter unquestioningly relying on another bull****ter is still a
bull****ter.


>
> I've also been told that they were used in military applications.

yes they are, but that's completely irrelevant to your bull****.


>
> I've searched online to try to find a picture of this arrangement but
> I'm failing miserably.

there's a reason for that...


> Wish I had an original car that used them so I
> could snap a pic so you could see what I'm talking about. Searching
> just yields a lot of references to AR-15s which apparently have a nut
> that uses similar terminology but don't look anything like what I'm
> talking about and the nut itself is not staked but the piece it threads
> against.
>
> Whenever coming across those I've always replaced them with ovalized
> nuts as that seems to be the modern equivalent.

that's because you're a retard that can't and won't read and doesn't
learn.

it took me about two minutes to find that patent reference, but you've
been spewing your made-up garbage on the studebaker forums since 2007
and probably earlier. total misinformation which you should go back and
correct since it's completely wrong - and thanks to you, all over the net.


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On 07/02/2013 01:39 PM, Nate Nagel wrote:
> On 07/02/2013 04:33 PM, Nate Nagel wrote:
>> On 07/02/2013 01:13 PM, AMuzi wrote:
>>> On 7/2/2013 11:21 AM, Nate Nagel wrote:
>>>> On 07/02/2013 11:20 AM, jim beam wrote:
>>>>> On 07/02/2013 05:36 AM, Nate Nagel wrote:
>>>>>> On 07/02/2013 04:06 AM, Brake Dive, Acceleration Squat
>>>>>> and Body Roll
>>>>>> Bros Suspension Works wrote:
>>>>>>>> the fastener selected was the incorrect one for the
>>>>>>>> application or
>>>>>>>> something like a thread locking compound, some kind of
>>>>>>>> prevailing
>>>>>>>> torque
>>>>>>>> locking nut, or something like a Marsden nut should be
>>>>>>>> used.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> how does marsden work?
>>>>>>> (
>>>>>>> from some of the pictures googled it looks like a free
>>>>>>> spinning nut
>>>>>>> )
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It's a very old school arrangement, and I was trying to
>>>>>> find you a good
>>>>>> explanation online and failing... but basically it *is*
>>>>>> free spinning
>>>>>> when installed, then it's staked with a special tool to
>>>>>> lock it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I never had the special tool, nor can I find a picture of
>>>>>> it...
>>>>>
>>>>> staking tool my ass.
>>>>>
>>>>> www.google.com/patents/US1734445
>>>>>
>>>>> now stop polluting the interwebs with your
>>>>> misinformation. idiot.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Maybe I've been given the wrong terminology, but on some
>>>> older cars that I've worked on some of the suspension nuts
>>>> look exactly like the one given in the patent you posted,
>>>> however, on one flat of the nut there will be a small
>>>> rectangular indentation and the nut is difficult to remove,
>>>> requiring use of a wrench or ratchet the whole way off even
>>>> if the threads are in excellent condition.
>>>>
>>>> Every time I've asked an old school mechanic about this,
>>>> they've said "oh, those are Marsden nuts, and they're staked
>>>> after they've been properly torqued - that's what that
>>>> indentation is" or something to that effect.
>>>>
>>>> I've also been told that they were used in military
>>>> applications.
>>>>
>>>> I've searched online to try to find a picture of this
>>>> arrangement but I'm failing miserably. Wish I had an
>>>> original car that used them so I could snap a pic so you
>>>> could see what I'm talking about. Searching just yields a
>>>> lot of references to AR-15s which apparently have a nut that
>>>> uses similar terminology but don't look anything like what
>>>> I'm talking about and the nut itself is not staked but the
>>>> piece it threads against.
>>>>
>>>> Whenever coming across those I've always replaced them with
>>>> ovalized nuts as that seems to be the modern equivalent.
>>>>
>>>> nate
>>>>
>>>
>>> Something like these?
>>>
>>> http://catalog.alcoafasteners.com/vi...g-self-locking
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> No, they actually look exactly like the patent that jim beam posted, but
>> staked. I'm trying to remember an exact application; I remember
>> fighting with them but don't remember exactly where. Definitely on a
>> Studebaker, but it wasn't the tie rod ends - those are castle nuts.
>>
>> nate
>>
>
> Maybe it was the lower control arm nuts.
>
> ...but all my factory parts books are well packed away in a storage
> locker at the moment...
>
> nate
>

so you just make stuff up instead - how convenient.


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On 07/02/2013 08:27 PM, jim beam wrote:
> On 07/02/2013 01:39 PM, Nate Nagel wrote:
>> On 07/02/2013 04:33 PM, Nate Nagel wrote:
>>> On 07/02/2013 01:13 PM, AMuzi wrote:
>>>> On 7/2/2013 11:21 AM, Nate Nagel wrote:
>>>>> On 07/02/2013 11:20 AM, jim beam wrote:
>>>>>> On 07/02/2013 05:36 AM, Nate Nagel wrote:
>>>>>>> On 07/02/2013 04:06 AM, Brake Dive, Acceleration Squat
>>>>>>> and Body Roll
>>>>>>> Bros Suspension Works wrote:
>>>>>>>>> the fastener selected was the incorrect one for the
>>>>>>>>> application or
>>>>>>>>> something like a thread locking compound, some kind of
>>>>>>>>> prevailing
>>>>>>>>> torque
>>>>>>>>> locking nut, or something like a Marsden nut should be
>>>>>>>>> used.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> how does marsden work?
>>>>>>>> (
>>>>>>>> from some of the pictures googled it looks like a free
>>>>>>>> spinning nut
>>>>>>>> )
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It's a very old school arrangement, and I was trying to
>>>>>>> find you a good
>>>>>>> explanation online and failing... but basically it *is*
>>>>>>> free spinning
>>>>>>> when installed, then it's staked with a special tool to
>>>>>>> lock it.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I never had the special tool, nor can I find a picture of
>>>>>>> it...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> staking tool my ass.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> www.google.com/patents/US1734445
>>>>>>
>>>>>> now stop polluting the interwebs with your
>>>>>> misinformation. idiot.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Maybe I've been given the wrong terminology, but on some
>>>>> older cars that I've worked on some of the suspension nuts
>>>>> look exactly like the one given in the patent you posted,
>>>>> however, on one flat of the nut there will be a small
>>>>> rectangular indentation and the nut is difficult to remove,
>>>>> requiring use of a wrench or ratchet the whole way off even
>>>>> if the threads are in excellent condition.
>>>>>
>>>>> Every time I've asked an old school mechanic about this,
>>>>> they've said "oh, those are Marsden nuts, and they're staked
>>>>> after they've been properly torqued - that's what that
>>>>> indentation is" or something to that effect.
>>>>>
>>>>> I've also been told that they were used in military
>>>>> applications.
>>>>>
>>>>> I've searched online to try to find a picture of this
>>>>> arrangement but I'm failing miserably. Wish I had an
>>>>> original car that used them so I could snap a pic so you
>>>>> could see what I'm talking about. Searching just yields a
>>>>> lot of references to AR-15s which apparently have a nut that
>>>>> uses similar terminology but don't look anything like what
>>>>> I'm talking about and the nut itself is not staked but the
>>>>> piece it threads against.
>>>>>
>>>>> Whenever coming across those I've always replaced them with
>>>>> ovalized nuts as that seems to be the modern equivalent.
>>>>>
>>>>> nate
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Something like these?
>>>>
>>>> http://catalog.alcoafasteners.com/vi...g-self-locking
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> No, they actually look exactly like the patent that jim beam posted, but
>>> staked. I'm trying to remember an exact application; I remember
>>> fighting with them but don't remember exactly where. Definitely on a
>>> Studebaker, but it wasn't the tie rod ends - those are castle nuts.
>>>
>>> nate
>>>
>>
>> Maybe it was the lower control arm nuts.
>>
>> ...but all my factory parts books are well packed away in a storage
>> locker at the moment...
>>
>> nate
>>
>
> so you just make stuff up instead - how convenient.
>
>

You're accusing me of lying about what I've personally seen and worked on?

nate


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On 07/03/2013 05:44 AM, Nate Nagel wrote:
> On 07/02/2013 08:27 PM, jim beam wrote:
>> On 07/02/2013 01:39 PM, Nate Nagel wrote:
>>> On 07/02/2013 04:33 PM, Nate Nagel wrote:
>>>> On 07/02/2013 01:13 PM, AMuzi wrote:
>>>>> On 7/2/2013 11:21 AM, Nate Nagel wrote:
>>>>>> On 07/02/2013 11:20 AM, jim beam wrote:
>>>>>>> On 07/02/2013 05:36 AM, Nate Nagel wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 07/02/2013 04:06 AM, Brake Dive, Acceleration Squat
>>>>>>>> and Body Roll
>>>>>>>> Bros Suspension Works wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> the fastener selected was the incorrect one for the
>>>>>>>>>> application or
>>>>>>>>>> something like a thread locking compound, some kind of
>>>>>>>>>> prevailing
>>>>>>>>>> torque
>>>>>>>>>> locking nut, or something like a Marsden nut should be
>>>>>>>>>> used.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> how does marsden work?
>>>>>>>>> (
>>>>>>>>> from some of the pictures googled it looks like a free
>>>>>>>>> spinning nut
>>>>>>>>> )
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> It's a very old school arrangement, and I was trying to
>>>>>>>> find you a good
>>>>>>>> explanation online and failing... but basically it *is*
>>>>>>>> free spinning
>>>>>>>> when installed, then it's staked with a special tool to
>>>>>>>> lock it.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I never had the special tool, nor can I find a picture of
>>>>>>>> it...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> staking tool my ass.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> www.google.com/patents/US1734445
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> now stop polluting the interwebs with your
>>>>>>> misinformation. idiot.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Maybe I've been given the wrong terminology, but on some
>>>>>> older cars that I've worked on some of the suspension nuts
>>>>>> look exactly like the one given in the patent you posted,
>>>>>> however, on one flat of the nut there will be a small
>>>>>> rectangular indentation and the nut is difficult to remove,
>>>>>> requiring use of a wrench or ratchet the whole way off even
>>>>>> if the threads are in excellent condition.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Every time I've asked an old school mechanic about this,
>>>>>> they've said "oh, those are Marsden nuts, and they're staked
>>>>>> after they've been properly torqued - that's what that
>>>>>> indentation is" or something to that effect.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I've also been told that they were used in military
>>>>>> applications.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I've searched online to try to find a picture of this
>>>>>> arrangement but I'm failing miserably. Wish I had an
>>>>>> original car that used them so I could snap a pic so you
>>>>>> could see what I'm talking about. Searching just yields a
>>>>>> lot of references to AR-15s which apparently have a nut that
>>>>>> uses similar terminology but don't look anything like what
>>>>>> I'm talking about and the nut itself is not staked but the
>>>>>> piece it threads against.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Whenever coming across those I've always replaced them with
>>>>>> ovalized nuts as that seems to be the modern equivalent.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> nate
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Something like these?
>>>>>
>>>>> http://catalog.alcoafasteners.com/vi...g-self-locking
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> No, they actually look exactly like the patent that jim beam posted,
>>>> but
>>>> staked. I'm trying to remember an exact application; I remember
>>>> fighting with them but don't remember exactly where. Definitely on a
>>>> Studebaker, but it wasn't the tie rod ends - those are castle nuts.
>>>>
>>>> nate
>>>>
>>>
>>> Maybe it was the lower control arm nuts.
>>>
>>> ...but all my factory parts books are well packed away in a storage
>>> locker at the moment...
>>>
>>> nate
>>>
>>
>> so you just make stuff up instead - how convenient.
>>
>>
>
> You're accusing me of lying about what I've personally seen and worked on?
>
> nate
>
>

no, i'm saying you're an idiot that doesn't know what they're looking
at, can't be bothered to educate himself, and is retarded enough to
propagate their knowledge vacuum by making **** up and spreading it all
over the net. you're a ****ing cretin nate - a disgrace to the
engineering community, your alma mater and the interwebs.


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