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Old November 12th 05, 04:58 PM
M. Cantera
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On Fri, 11 Nov 2005 13:48:10 GMT, pws > wrote:

>What I am talking about is at least having the teacher mention that you
>should not slam on the brakes in a corner, how to counter-steer
>properly, etc.


>I agree that cell phones are a problem and as much as I hate adding new
>laws, I think that using them while driving should be banned everywhere
>for both teenagers and adults.


Most schools systems no longer offer driver's ed. They dropped that
when they stopped getting free cars from the manufacturers Besides
the drivers ed budget seen to have been replaced with administrative
staff in most school systems that I'm familiar with.

As for banning cell phones, how would you enforce it in most of the
US? The police will not pull anyone over for something they are doing
because that is profiling (as in racial)
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Old November 13th 05, 01:11 AM
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M. Cantera wrote:

> Most schools systems no longer offer driver's ed. They dropped that
> when they stopped getting free cars from the manufacturers Besides
> the drivers ed budget seen to have been replaced with administrative
> staff in most school systems that I'm familiar with.


My school did not offer driver's education. It was taken at a separate
facility that had nothing to do with my school, and it was $180.00,
iirc. This was in Texas in 1985 or 1986.

> As for banning cell phones, how would you enforce it in most of the
> US? The police will not pull anyone over for something they are doing
> because that is profiling (as in racial)


What are you talking about? Do you really think that people do not get
pulled over in the United States? Law enforcement officers usually drive
these cars that have lights on top of the car.
You can frequently see these cars on the side of the road with a car in
front of them that has an unhappy looking driver at the wheel.

Have you ever watched the show "Cops"? People get pulled over here by
police for a huge variety of reasons.

Pat
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Old November 15th 05, 06:45 PM posted to rec.autos.makers.mazda.miata
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On Sun, 13 Nov 2005 01:11:15 GMT, pws > wrote:

>M. Cantera wrote:
>
>> Most schools systems no longer offer driver's ed. They dropped that
>> when they stopped getting free cars from the manufacturers Besides
>> the drivers ed budget seen to have been replaced with administrative
>> staff in most school systems that I'm familiar with.

>
>My school did not offer driver's education. It was taken at a separate
>facility that had nothing to do with my school, and it was $180.00,
>iirc. This was in Texas in 1985 or 1986.
>
>> As for banning cell phones, how would you enforce it in most of the
>> US? The police will not pull anyone over for something they are doing
>> because that is profiling (as in racial)

>
>What are you talking about? Do you really think that people do not get
>pulled over in the United States? Law enforcement officers usually drive
>these cars that have lights on top of the car.
>You can frequently see these cars on the side of the road with a car in
>front of them that has an unhappy looking driver at the wheel.
>

Traffic enforcement is purely a profit center and radar has the
biggest margin, followed by expired tags/inspections. Any other
offense can result in lengthier proceedings and challenges to the
accussing officer. I know poeple i n the system in Houston and in
Miami, that is what they are telling me.

Next time you are out, take a look at your fellow drivers, they don't
seem to get pulled over for eating, applying make up, obtructing the
flow of traffic, tailgating, reading, failing to signal lane changes,
illegal turns or a host of other offenses.

>Have you ever watched the show "Cops"? People get pulled over here by
>police for a huge variety of reasons.
>
>Pat

Last time I checked that was a TV show, nothing to do with reality.
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Old November 15th 05, 07:10 PM posted to rec.autos.makers.mazda.miata
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M. Cantera wrote:

> Traffic enforcement is purely a profit center and radar has the
> biggest margin, followed by expired tags/inspections. Any other
> offense can result in lengthier proceedings and challenges to the
> accussing officer. I know poeple i n the system in Houston and in
> Miami, that is what they are telling me.


I am not disagreeing with this, though *purely* is taking it a little
too far. I want the police to stop the person driving 100 mph in my
neighborhood regardless of profit incentives.

Your previous post said that the police do not pull people over. Here it
is if you have forgotten.
"The police will not pull anyone over for something they are doing
because that is profiling (as in racial)"

I was disputing this as it is an untrue statement. "Something they are
doing" includes speeding and driving with expired tags, by the way.
Now that you are clarifying what you meant, your statement has changed.

> Next time you are out, take a look at your fellow drivers, they don't
> seem to get pulled over for eating, applying make up, obtructing the
> flow of traffic, tailgating, reading, failing to signal lane changes,
> illegal turns or a host of other offenses.


I agree with this to an extent, though I have been pulled over for
failure to signal a lane change. I have also seen a person who appeared
to get pulled over for an illegal turn, though I did not stick around to
ask questions.

> Last time I checked that was a TV show, nothing to do with reality.


So those are not real police officers arresting people?
The show "Cops" features real-life interaction between the police and
the public. It is not "Law and Order". "Cops" is more of a documentary
than anything, and one of the main things that they show are cars
getting pulled over for many reasons other than speeding or expired tags.

Pat
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Old November 15th 05, 07:23 PM posted to rec.autos.makers.mazda.miata
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On 2005-11-15, pws > wrote:

> I was disputing this as it is an untrue statement. "Something
> they are doing" includes speeding and driving with expired
> tags, by the way.


Yup, and I've been pulled over for both.

> Now that you are clarifying what you meant, your statement has
> changed.


After the original statement was demonstrated to be false.

>> Next time you are out, take a look at your fellow drivers,
>> they don't seem to get pulled over for eating, applying make
>> up, obtructing the flow of traffic, tailgating, reading,
>> failing to signal lane changes, illegal turns or a host of
>> other offenses.

>
> I agree with this to an extent, though I have been pulled over
> for failure to signal a lane change.


I've been pulled over for failing to signal a turn (I still say
I did signal). I've also been pulled over for a broken
taillight lens, for accellerating where the speed limit changed
from 25 to 55, and for passing in a no passing zone -- I did
get a (deserved) ticked for that last one.

> I have also seen a person who appeared to get pulled over for
> an illegal turn, though I did not stick around to ask
> questions.


I've also seen people get pulled over for crossing a
double-white line, for illegally using a carpool ramp, and for
running a red light.

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Old November 15th 05, 07:42 PM posted to rec.autos.makers.mazda.miata
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Grant Edwards wrote:

> I've been pulled over for failing to signal a turn (I still say
> I did signal). I've also been pulled over for a broken
> taillight lens, for accellerating where the speed limit changed
> from 25 to 55, and for passing in a no passing zone -- I did
> get a (deserved) ticked for that last one.


> I've also seen people get pulled over for crossing a
> double-white line, for illegally using a carpool ramp, and for
> running a red light.
>


I have also been pulled over for burned out taillight bulbs more than
once. My old Z-cars ate them regularly.

When I was in Dallas, I saw many cars pulled over for using the carpool
lane with one person, I had forgotten about that one. They were just
waving them over as fast as they could.

Sorta blows the "police will only pull people over for speeding and
expired tags" theory out of the water, eh?

I have heard that they will sometimes even pull people over for driving
while intoxicated or for stealing cars.
Where are these ideas coming from? ;-)

Pat
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Old November 15th 05, 08:38 PM posted to rec.autos.makers.mazda.miata
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Grant Edwards > wrote in
:

> I've also seen people get pulled over for crossing a
> double-white line, for illegally using a carpool ramp, and for
> running a red light.


I was pulled over on my motorcycle for not slowing down "soon enough"
for a construction zone!

I saw the construction and the sign saying "Prepare to stop" so I
slowed and was ready to stop at the stop sign but was waved over by a
highway patrolman just prior to stopping and, after the usual "License,
registration and insurance please" I was told I should have slowed
sooner(?!?!?). Then, the officer asked how I liked my bike and
proceeded to tell me all about his new Kawasaki Nomad! It wasn't hard
to figure he was bored standing in a construction zone miles from any
town and just wanted to talk motorcycles...... we had a nice chat for
about 15 minutes and then he waved me on my way, no more mention was
made about slowing down sooner. <G>







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Old November 15th 05, 11:36 PM posted to rec.autos.makers.mazda.miata
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In article >,
Grant Edwards > wrote:

> I've been pulled over for failing to signal a turn (I still say
> I did signal). I've also been pulled over for a broken
> taillight lens, for accellerating where the speed limit changed
> from 25 to 55, and for passing in a no passing zone -- I did
> get a (deserved) ticked for that last one.


Many years ago, I got pulled over once for NOT passing an unmarked cop
car. There was a long line of slow (i.e., 5 mph below the speed limit)
cars ahead, and it was the beginning of a very long passing zone, with
about half a mile visibility and no oncoming traffic. I flipped on my
turn signal,started accelerating, and pulled out to pass...then saw the
Highway Patrol license plate and dropped back behing him. He hit his
lights, and I pulled dutifully onto the shoulder behind him.

I escaped with a warning, but he informed me that he could've cited me
for "failure to complete a pass," "driving on the wrong side of the
road," and some other stuff he probably made up since it wasn't going to
court anyway. I hadn't gotten above the speed limit, and we both knew it.

I think the trooper was just bored with following the same string of
slowpokes, and needed entertainment.

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