Probably gonna get an Odyssey...

I have the run flat tires and I know I will be unhappy the day I need to buy
new tires, if I get a flat and don't need to change it..... that will be a
happy day.



"z" > wrote in message
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> On Feb 11, 8:01 pm, "Seth" > wrote:
>> Been looking to get the wife a new minivan. Her '02 Venture WB-Edition I
>> no
>> longer trust. 2 weeks ago needed the intake manifold repaired, now last
>> week the AWD stopped working. Initially they said needed a new rear
>> diff.
>> to the tune of $3000. Told them to forget it. Later on, after they did
>> some more research, found some other tech articles suggesting just
>> replacing
>> the AWD pump in the diff would do the trick. That was only $250 ($170
>> for
>> part plus labor). Went ahead with that gamble merely to keep it in as
>> good
>> a shape as possible till we decide upon it's replacement.
>>
>> It's not an issue of the dealer. I've dealt with them for many years on
>> prior vehicles and they've always been straight. It's I just don't trust
>> the vehicle any longer. Only has 96000 miles on it and seems like it is
>> falling apart.
>>
>> 3 vehicles we are looking at are the '07 Odyssey EX-L, the '07 Sienna XLE
>> with Package #3, or the MB R350 (my uncle works for them and can get me a
>> sweet lease even with a 20000 mile a year allowance.
>>
>> I haven't driven the Odyssey yet, but my wife went and drove it Thursday.
>> Today we both tried out the Sienna. Very nice. My wife liked the drive
>> better than the Odyssey. But the Sienna, in the XLE level, only comes 7
>> passenger. So that issue, and the 175,000 nearly trouble free miles on
>> my
>> '01 Accord V6 EX-L has her leaning that way. Dealer is offering it to us
>> for $29,438, so we're pretty happy with that. Gonna see if I can work
>> him
>> a little further and/or see what I can get out of him on our trade-in
>> (haven't even mentioned trade to dealer yet).
>>
>> Ok, lots of irrelevant history out of the way...Just wanted to get that
>> data
>> out there in case anybody else is currently comparing the same vehicles.
>>
>> Any finance deals or incentives either rumored or confirmed in the
>> upcoming
>> week or 2? Hoping there may be some rebates or financing incentives for
>> the
>> upcoming President's day weekend.
>>
>> Thanks
>
>
> Little late now, but... two caveats, maybe, if you were feeling
> luxurious; lots of people who get the electric remote doors are
> unhappy, because they are slow, can't be manually overridden, get
> stuck on pebbles and things and have to recycle themselves slowly, and
> won't operate if the vehicle isn't in park. (That last one seems odd
> to me; are there a lot of carpool moms who want to just sort of slow
> down in front of the school and fling the kids out the door like
> paratroopers?)
> Secondly, the runflat tires are like $250 each when it comes time to
> replace, and if you decide not to go that route, then you need a new
> set of wheels to fit "normal" tires.
>

In article et>,
"Art" > wrote:

> I have the run flat tires and I know I will be unhappy the day I need to buy
> new tires, if I get a flat and don't need to change it..... that will be a
> happy day.

And it will be a sad day when snowy weather hits and you realize you
don't even have the OPTION of buying snow tires, that you're stuck with
tires that are by definition a compromise.

Nokian WR are the best tires for the average sedan/minivan, and yet the
Odyssey with run-flats doesn't give you the option of having them.
Looks like that whole "minivan safety" thing goes right out the door
there.

With cell phones and roadside assistance programs everywhere, run-flat
tires don't offer much if anything to the driver. The only thing they
offer is to the manufacturer: they can save the weight and expense and
storage area of a spare tire.

When was the last time you changed a tire? I believe for me it was,
let's see, 17 years ago--on an old van, and that was owned by my
employer.

And so what if you can drive on the run-flats? At up to 50mph for a
limited time. Gee, that gets you, what--off the freeway? Then what?
NOBODY can change out a run-flat; you're stuck WAITING FOR THE TOW TRUCK
to take you to a freaking HONDA dealer somewhere, where you're forced to
wait up to several days (yeah, that's right) for a damn tire!

Or you could wait at the side of the road, safe in your vehicle, waiting
for the tow truck you called with your cell phone--so he can either
change the flat for you, or tow you to the nearest facility that can
sell you a new tire and get you on your way.

Your wife would be ****ED if you stuck her with a vehicle that, when the
tire went flat, the only option was to hit the dealer and wait at least
overnight to get a freaking tire changed. Yeah, she was able to drive
to the next exit without damaging the rim--WHOOO HOOOO!

All your points are good and given a choice I probably would not pay for the
run flat tires. I live in central NC and snow is not an issue but I have
noticed that wet traction is not the greatest with these tires. On the
other hand, there have been many accidents here when people have been
changing tires on the inadequate highways... several deaths in the last
year within my tv news area..... so being able to get off the highway is an
advantage of sorts.



"Elmo P. Shagnasty" > wrote in message
...
> In article et>,
> "Art" > wrote:
>
>> I have the run flat tires and I know I will be unhappy the day I need to
>> buy
>> new tires, if I get a flat and don't need to change it..... that will be
>> a
>> happy day.
>
> And it will be a sad day when snowy weather hits and you realize you
> don't even have the OPTION of buying snow tires, that you're stuck with
> tires that are by definition a compromise.
>
> Nokian WR are the best tires for the average sedan/minivan, and yet the
> Odyssey with run-flats doesn't give you the option of having them.
> Looks like that whole "minivan safety" thing goes right out the door
> there.
>
> With cell phones and roadside assistance programs everywhere, run-flat
> tires don't offer much if anything to the driver. The only thing they
> offer is to the manufacturer: they can save the weight and expense and
> storage area of a spare tire.
>
> When was the last time you changed a tire? I believe for me it was,
> let's see, 17 years ago--on an old van, and that was owned by my
> employer.
>
> And so what if you can drive on the run-flats? At up to 50mph for a
> limited time. Gee, that gets you, what--off the freeway? Then what?
> NOBODY can change out a run-flat; you're stuck WAITING FOR THE TOW TRUCK
> to take you to a freaking HONDA dealer somewhere, where you're forced to
> wait up to several days (yeah, that's right) for a damn tire!
>
> Or you could wait at the side of the road, safe in your vehicle, waiting
> for the tow truck you called with your cell phone--so he can either
> change the flat for you, or tow you to the nearest facility that can
> sell you a new tire and get you on your way.
>
> Your wife would be ****ED if you stuck her with a vehicle that, when the
> tire went flat, the only option was to hit the dealer and wait at least
> overnight to get a freaking tire changed. Yeah, she was able to drive
> to the next exit without damaging the rim--WHOOO HOOOO!
>