Lying... (was Oldsmobile joins Plymouth: RIP)

redc1c4 wrote:
>
> i took my first "management" position last year about Thanksgiving.....
> turns out i'm not REALLY a manager, unless they need to yell about
> something i have no control over, but i'm expected to act like one.

Yes - get used to it. Some busimesses call this being a "manager
trainee". It's called having the responsibility without having the
authority or resources to avoid or fix the problem. A staple of modern
business. Next month they will want to send you to "Management Control"
seminars.

> for some reason, i was having problems getting my folks to do listen
> and follow instructions i gave them %-). my stupidvisor was talking
> to me about the problem and said that i had to find something to
> praise EVERY employee for EVERY day. i told him that was impossible
> with those whose greatest achievement daily was showing up sooner
> or later.
>
> he told me that a good manager would lie as necessary to get the
> results he wanted. i told him that a good leader never lied.
> he seemed confused by that, as he was when he told me on day two
> there that i would have to change my ways, or my minions would never
> "like me", and i told him that i wasn't there to be liked, but to
> w*rk.
>
> the only thing i got out of the discussion was that i could dismiss
> everything i am told there as a lie.
>
> redc1c4,
> looking for a new j*b. (and frag a buncha MBAssholes too!)

You're smarter than I was ( looking for new job) - took me several
years to figure out what you have learned in just a few months. When
deciding in the future whether you want to be a manager or not, don't
let the (many times false) promise of big bucks fool you. Often it's
better to not be a manager and make less money, have a relationship with
your family, keep your health longer, etc.

One saying that I've often heard over the years that is so true: "No one
has ever had engraved on their tombstone 'I wish I'd spent more time at
the office.'"

Bill Putney
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Bill Putney wrote:
>
> ...Yes - get used to it. Some busimesses call this being a "manager
> trainee". It's called having the responsibility without having the
> authority or resources to avoid or fix the problem. A staple of modern
> business. Next month they will want to send you to "Management Control"
> seminars.

Oops - I meant to say "they will want to send you to 'Anger Management'
seminars".

Bill Putney
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In article >, Bill Putney wrote:
>
> Yes - get used to it. Some busimesses call this being a "manager
> trainee". It's called having the responsibility without having the
> authority or resources to avoid or fix the problem.

Sounds just like being an engineer at my former employer.

Bill Putney wrote:
>
> Yes - get used to it. Some busimesses call this being a "manager
> trainee".

They call that a "team lead" at my former employer.

George Patterson
If you don't tell lies, you never have to remember what you said.

G.R. Patterson III wrote:
>
> Bill Putney wrote:
>
>>Yes - get used to it. Some busimesses call this being a "manager
>>trainee".
>
>
> They call that a "team lead" at my former employer.
>
> George Patterson
> If you don't tell lies, you never have to remember what you said.

Nice quote. My memory is too bad as it is, so it's worth
telling the truth just for this reason alone