Which series use Traction Control?

Watching the Rolex at Midohio, I heard they use Traction Control. I
have also heard the FIA GT cars like those simulated in GTR use TC.
Which series do and which don't?
I know Champcar is not a TC series. I forget about F1, they used to be at
least.
How would this affect/effect( I can NEVER remember which is which) hotlap
sites. Most are macho no aids sites, and thats how I usually do it.
GTRank is one such site. All my laps are aidless.(and clueless) but I
wonder if others do or do not use TC/stability controls?

And what about the morality of using TC? If the series uses TC, then
shouldn't those aids be allowed for online and hotlapping?

dave henrie

>"Dave Henrie" > wrote
> Watching the Rolex at Midohio, I heard they use Traction Control. I
> have also heard the FIA GT cars like those simulated in GTR use TC.
> Which series do and which don't?
> I know Champcar is not a TC series. I forget about F1, they used to be at
> least.
> How would this affect/effect( I can NEVER remember which is which) hotlap
> sites. Most are macho no aids sites, and thats how I usually do it.
> GTRank is one such site. All my laps are aidless.(and clueless) but I
> wonder if others do or do not use TC/stability controls?
>
> And what about the morality of using TC? If the series uses TC, then
> shouldn't those aids be allowed for online and hotlapping?


The Nextel Cup guys... but hey don't yell that too loud 8)

So yes you can enable that aid now inside NR2003, even online.





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FIA GT does not allow TC.



"ymenard" > wrote in message
...
> >"Dave Henrie" > wrote
>> Watching the Rolex at Midohio, I heard they use Traction Control. I
>> have also heard the FIA GT cars like those simulated in GTR use TC.
>> Which series do and which don't?
>> I know Champcar is not a TC series. I forget about F1, they used to be
>> at
>> least.
>> How would this affect/effect( I can NEVER remember which is which)
>> hotlap
>> sites. Most are macho no aids sites, and thats how I usually do it.
>> GTRank is one such site. All my laps are aidless.(and clueless) but I
>> wonder if others do or do not use TC/stability controls?
>>
>> And what about the morality of using TC? If the series uses TC, then
>> shouldn't those aids be allowed for online and hotlapping?
>
>
> The Nextel Cup guys... but hey don't yell that too loud 8)
>
> So yes you can enable that aid now inside NR2003, even online.
>
>
>
>
>
> --
> -- François Ménard <ymenard>
> -- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimago-Dominguez
> Corporation - helping America into the New World...
>
>

ymenard wrote:

> The Nextel Cup guys... but hey don't yell that too loud 8)

How do you propose a cup team would secretly install traction control
when the entire contents of their ignition system are openly viewable
in the cockpit?

For this season and previous seasons:

FIA - F1 allows traction control but not via a braking system, it has
to be done at the engine. It also doesn't allow an computerized
differential that would apply more force to the outside wheel (it
can take more force because of the increased downforce on the
outside wheel during cornering). Unlike a limited slip differential,
this would be a no slip differential, complex and not allowed
in any racing class I'm aware of. Last season F1 allowed fully
electronic control (clutch, gear box, ECU) for auto shifting
and launches.

FIA - GT1 class - unlike F1 which states what can't be done, is
a bit more clear that traction control is done at the engine (via
the ECU).

FIA - GT2 and lower classes, traction control not allowed.

ACO - Lemans LMP1, LMP2 - traction control at the engine (ECU) allowed.

IRL - not allowed.

Champ car (CART) - not allowed

The reality is that if that any race car with an sophisticated ECU could
implement some type of traction control, by limiting how fast rpms can
increase in each gear. Unless ECU's are banned by a certain series,
traction control is a possiblity.

>"jason moyer" > wrote
> How do you propose a cup team would secretly install traction control
> when the entire contents of their ignition system are openly viewable
> in the cockpit?


They are all flirting with something that does alter the traction
differently than a 0-100% linear input from the driver's foot pressing the
accelerator.






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"Jeff Reid" > schrieb im Newsbeitrag
news:J1tQe.133018$E95.37369@fed1read01...
> For this season and previous seasons:
>
> FIA - F1 allows traction control but not via a braking system, it has
> to be done at the engine. It also doesn't allow an computerized
> differential that would apply more force to the outside wheel (it
> can take more force because of the increased downforce on the
> outside wheel during cornering). Unlike a limited slip differential,
> this would be a no slip differential, complex and not allowed
> in any racing class I'm aware of. Last season F1 allowed fully

I think such differentials are used in the WRC-cars.

> electronic control (clutch, gear box, ECU) for auto shifting
> and launches.

True for last year as you wrote, but Auto-shifting and launch control were
banned in 2005. Traction control must not be used at the start until the
cars reaches 100 kph.

> FIA - GT1 class - unlike F1 which states what can't be done, is
> a bit more clear that traction control is done at the engine (via
> the ECU).

Yes, TC allowed.

> FIA - GT2 and lower classes, traction control not allowed.

Yes, no TC here.

> ACO - Lemans LMP1, LMP2 - traction control at the engine (ECU) allowed.

Correction/addition:

LM900/675/GTP: no TC
LMP1/2: TC
LMGT1: TC
LMGT2: TC

No differences in the ALMS!

> IRL - not allowed.

Yes, TC was banned before the 2004 season I think.

> Champ car (CART) - not allowed

Yes, TC was banned since Cosworth was the only engine.

Bye
Stephan

> > FIA - F1
> True for last year as you wrote, but Auto-shifting and launch control were banned in 2005. Traction control must not
> be used at the start until the cars reaches 100 kph.

Who could possibley check the ECU's to see if traction control being used
under 100kph / 62mph? Dumb rule anyway, hard to enforce, and do they want
a crash fest during the standing starts?. How many F1 tracks have sub
100kph hairpins anyway?

> Correction/addition:
>
> LM900/675/GTP: no TC
> LMP1/2: TC
> LMGT1: TC
> LMGT2: TC
>
> No differences in the ALMS!

Someone's been doing their homework. It's hard to decipher this
information from the rule books, especially when in the cases where
the rules just specify what isn't allowed and don't mention what
is allowed.

> > Champ car (CART) - not allowed
>
> Yes, TC was banned since Cosworth was the only engine.

The even brag about this, no traction control, (translation, we
crash more).

Jeff Reid wrote:

> The even brag about this, no traction control, (translation, we
> crash more).

Having to rely on your skill as a driver when applying the throttle is
a bad thing?

Champcars have never had driving aids, whether it be active suspension,
traction control, semi-automatic gears, etc. I'm not a big fan of the
current NA Cosworths, but the older formulas with the turbo 4 bangers
coupled with the standard CART ground effect, low profile bodywork, and
actual stick shifts were some of the most exciting race cars ever made,
up there with GTX 5, GTP C, the Lotus 78/79, and the Mclaren MP4/4.

"jason moyer" > wrote in news:1125976163.480248.265670
@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com:

> Champcars have never had driving aids, whether it be active suspension,
> traction control, semi-automatic gears, etc. I'm not a big fan of the
> current NA Cosworths, but the older formulas with the turbo 4 bangers
> coupled with the standard CART ground effect, low profile bodywork, and
> actual stick shifts were some of the most exciting race cars ever made,
> up there with GTX 5, GTP C, the Lotus 78/79, and the Mclaren MP4/4.

Careful there JM. Penske routinely ran TC it was finally allowed when
Toyota began complaining. And the current Cosworths ARE TURBO. Just de-
tuned turbos. Same basic block that did 900+hp and 240+mph at California.
Now with longevity and cost control, they are approximentally 750hp. But
I agree, when Michael Andretti and Al Unser Jr were challenging the older
drivers like Emmo and Rahal and Mario...the racing was great.
dave henrie