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FanJet > wrote:
> What you're forgetting, typical for this thread, is that the Insight is not > rated at 60/71 USMPG while doing 10.6 second 0-60 times. Certainly you don't think that the Smart is getting 51mpg during the run? Why would you point out that the Insight doesn't get EPA rated mileage during an acceleration run unless it differs from the Smart car? Given that the Insight doesn't get good mileage during a 0-60 run, do you think it is better than the Smart during a 0-60 run, with the Smart taking twice as long for the run? -- --- Clarence A Dold - Hidden Valley (Lake County) CA USA 38.8,-122.5 |
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On Mon, 8 Aug 2005 20:25:39 +0000 (UTC),
wrote: >Jason > wrote: > >> I might have missed it but does anyone know of a website where I can see a >> picture of the "Smart" vehicle? > >http://www.threepointmotors.com/smart/index.asp is a Canadian Dealer. > >> Do other people agree or disagree that those people that charge the >> batteries that they might end up getting more MPG but their electrical >> utility bills will be higher and the utility companies will have to burn >> more oil to run their generators. In other words, in the long run--they >> might not be saving any money in the long run. > >This is the subject of "well to wheel" comparisons. How much does it help, >if any, to move the generation of the power from one place to another, >including the inefficiencies in transport. > >Time of day metering might be mandatory for an Electric car owner, charging >up at night. > >Solar power could be used for charging the electric vehicle, in a home >setup. > >Nuclear/Geothermal/Hydro could be the source of the electricity, reducing >the need for non-renewable and foreign resources. Don't forget wind. |
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SoCalMike wrote:
> especially if you consider my civic has 108 horsepower. that would be a > long horsedrawn carriage. Wouldn't be able to go 85, either. ;-)) |
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> Sparky Spartacus > wrote: > >>>>The Dark Side of Diesel: >>>>http://oee.nrcan.gc.ca/english/faq/a...re=3228&text=N > > >>As a historian I would remind the NG that the ICE was seen as a clean >>alternative to horse power and the tons of manure the horses left on >>city streets every day. Manure was sticky mud when wet and choking >>coulds of dust when dry. > > Replacing all of the cars currently on the road with an equivalent number > of horses would lead to environmental problems very quickly. You bet! Not what I was suggesting, of course. Too expensive to convert all the gas stations to selling hay & oats, just for openers, plus there's a severe shortage of blacksmiths to keep the horses shod. |
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In article >, "FanJet" > wrote:
>What you're forgetting, typical for this thread, is that the Insight is not >rated at 60/71 USMPG while doing 10.6 second 0-60 times. ??? This is a silly point. |
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FanJet > wrote:
> Not after the first run or two which is about all you get before a > battery recharge is required. Motor Trend did eight back to back runs to deplete the battery, and then they still got a 13.1 second 0-60. > Always ignored is the fact that hybrid efficiency drops dramatically with > ambient temperature - another problem the Smart42 and plain old gasoline > ICE cars don't have. I don't notice a drop in 20-30 degree weather. Dramatically colder climates might see different results. I do see a drop in MPG with the A/C running, whether in the summer to cool the car, or the winter to defrost. > This particular problem is mitigated by warming the batteries in the same > way the passenger compartment is warmed. If it's cold outside, you can > plan on hybrid ICEs running all the time - even in city driving. Same > thing happens with the batteries get too warm except then they use A/C > which, again, requires the ICE. The ICE does not auto-stop when it is cold. I haven't noticed that cause a drop in the mileage. I think its contribution is small for normal driving. It might be a plus in congested city traffic, but there I find that the Honda runs anyway, because it has to get up to 10mph before the auto-stop is enabled. There is no A/C for the batteries in a Honda. It gets a flow of air from the passenger compartment, whatever temp that might be. There is a separate cooling/heating unit in the Escape. I think it is a separate electric-driven unit, so it doesn't require the ICE to be running. I can hear it running after the ICE shuts off. I don't know that I would call it A/C, since it uses coolant and not freon. -- --- Clarence A Dold - Hidden Valley (Lake County) CA USA 38.8,-122.5 |
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