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  #11  
Old October 15th 04, 10:05 PM
MartinKnud
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Whats RBR?

Martin.

"Dan" > wrote in message
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> Dont insult GPL like that.GPL was revolutionary while GTR is just hype.
> RBR is the new GPL
> "john henry bonham" > wrote in message
> .. .
>> Seems to be quite a buzz about it. I haven't had much fun with any racing
>> sims since about 2001.

>
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Old October 15th 04, 10:23 PM
Jan Verschueren
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"MartinKnud" wrote...
> Whats RBR?


Richard Burns Rally... a great rally sim.

http://www.richardburnsrally.com

Jan.
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  #13  
Old October 15th 04, 11:18 PM
Malc
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"Jan Verschueren" > wrote in message
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> Part of GPL's lasting appeal, I think, is that because of the nature

of the
> cars and the limitations/inaccuracies of the game, you can, in a

driving
> sense, push the boat out incredibly far wihtout getting punished for

it,
> making it simply a lot of fun to play.


Personally I think gpl's main long-term appeal is partly that it's
sufficiently hard that it's tremendously satisfying when you get it
right, RBR does this well, GTR is okay but it's hard to tell from the
demos.

But mostly, I think gpl's lasting appeal online comes from it's
difficulty to modify. It's fairly easy to alter the ini files in most
sims to make the car faster etc. This is great for the modders but imo
kills long-term appeal because it takes away the level playing field. I
can compare my best Nurby laptime with one done 5 years ago & know that
not only am I driving the same track, it's with exactly the same car
too.

If GTR (or any other sim) wants to be popular, make it easy to mod. If
it wants to have lasting appeal though it need to be hard to mod/cheat.

Personally I think RBR has got the appeal of the challenge spot on, it's
rewarding to drive. LFS has the cheat protection though, and is pretty
close to good enough with the driving.

imo LFS is the 'next gpl' or at least a worthy candidate, GTR may be,
but let's see something a little more complete before comparing it to
anything else out there.

Malc.


  #14  
Old October 15th 04, 11:47 PM
JP
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Malc > wrote in message
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> "Jan Verschueren" > wrote in message
> ...
>
> > Part of GPL's lasting appeal, I think, is that because of the nature

> of the
> > cars and the limitations/inaccuracies of the game, you can, in a

> driving
> > sense, push the boat out incredibly far wihtout getting punished for

> it,
> > making it simply a lot of fun to play.

>
> Personally I think gpl's main long-term appeal is partly that it's
> sufficiently hard that it's tremendously satisfying when you get it
> right, RBR does this well, GTR is okay but it's hard to tell from the
> demos.
>
> But mostly, I think gpl's lasting appeal online comes from it's
> difficulty to modify. It's fairly easy to alter the ini files in most
> sims to make the car faster etc. This is great for the modders but imo
> kills long-term appeal because it takes away the level playing field. I
> can compare my best Nurby laptime with one done 5 years ago & know that
> not only am I driving the same track, it's with exactly the same car
> too.
>
> If GTR (or any other sim) wants to be popular, make it easy to mod. If
> it wants to have lasting appeal though it need to be hard to mod/cheat.
>
> Personally I think RBR has got the appeal of the challenge spot on, it's
> rewarding to drive. LFS has the cheat protection though, and is pretty
> close to good enough with the driving.
>
> imo LFS is the 'next gpl' or at least a worthy candidate, GTR may be,
> but let's see something a little more complete before comparing it to
> anything else out there.
>
> Malc.



Hmmm........gpl difficult to modify ? Thats a new one <g> The whole
thing has been hacked; graphics, physics, engine, you name it.
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Old October 15th 04, 11:51 PM
Jan Verschueren
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"JP" wrote...
>>> <snip>

> Hmmm........gpl difficult to modify ? Thats a new
> one <g> The whole thing has been hacked; graphics,
> physics, engine, you name it.


Yes, but it was/is difficult. Ever tried making a track?

Jan.
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  #16  
Old October 16th 04, 12:04 AM
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I agree RBR is one of the most self challanging sims ever, it really makes
you work to improve your times. If you get real lonely you can race the
ghost cars.........
"Plowboy2" > wrote in message
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> At times, oh so many times, the beauty of RBR is just that, you dont need
> nobody. That means no cheates, no wreckers, no bul**** jaw-flapping
> keyboard jockies... There have been nights where you were "free" to race,
> but there was nobody around, (most of the time they all were all in that
> latest of 300th consecutive Dega-Tona servers)...
>
> Sure I got the "Other 2 games for online racing, but Damnit I love RBR.
>
>
>
> Rich8 enlightened us with:
>> So in RBR you get the best competition from trees or zebras, as there
>> are no other cars to race against.... hehe. sorry I've heard that RBR
>> is very good but since in GPL your racing against 19 other cars and in
>> RBR its the clock or whatever animal you run into , how can you
>> compare...
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, 15 Oct 2004 18:46:24 +1000, "Dan" > wrote:
>>
>>> Dont insult GPL like that.GPL was revolutionary while GTR is just
>>> hype. RBR is the new GPL
>>> "john henry bonham" > wrote in message
>>> .. .
>>>> Seems to be quite a buzz about it. I haven't had much fun with any
>>>> racing sims since about 2001.

>
>



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Old October 16th 04, 12:13 AM
Malc
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"JP" > wrote in message
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> So ? It wasn't difficult enough to prevent it though, eh ?


Nothing is impossible with enough time and skill, and it's taken a long
time to produce mods for gpl. It takes a long time to produce tracks,
and even graphics updates are only made relatively easy by the use of
utils that the community has developed over long periods of time.

Your view of the gpl mods doesn't take into account the time it's taken
to produce this stuff JP, and the skill of those that have done so.

Malc.


  #18  
Old October 16th 04, 12:37 AM
JP
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Malc > wrote in message
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> "JP" > wrote in message
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> > So ? It wasn't difficult enough to prevent it though, eh ?

>
> Nothing is impossible with enough time and skill, and it's taken a long
> time to produce mods for gpl. It takes a long time to produce tracks,
> and even graphics updates are only made relatively easy by the use of
> utils that the community has developed over long periods of time.
>
> Your view of the gpl mods doesn't take into account the time it's taken
> to produce this stuff JP, and the skill of those that have done so.
>
> Malc.




Actually, I have the greatest respect for them and their efforts. That
wasn't the point of my original replay. At all. You said it was difficult
to mod gpl; the multitude of mods available prove otherwise.

Its easy to *mod GPL*. Its hard to make the mods themselves. Seems easy
to grasp to me.


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  #19  
Old October 16th 04, 01:28 AM
Ruud Dingemans
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JP wrote:

> wasn't the point of my original replay. At all. You said it was difficult
> to mod gpl; the multitude of mods available prove otherwise.
>
> Its easy to *mod GPL*. Its hard to make the mods themselves. Seems easy
> to grasp to me.


Seems contradictory to *me*....

I think it's *not* easy to mod GPL or world+dog would've done it. As it
is, only *some* people have done it, and they've been sensible enough to
keep the really sensitive data mainly to themselves. If they hadn't,
world+dog etc, and cheating would have been pretty easy. And that
*would* have had an impact on the popularity of GPL, imho.


Regards, Rudy
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  #20  
Old October 16th 04, 01:38 AM
JP
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Ruud Dingemans > wrote in message
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> JP wrote:
>
> > wasn't the point of my original replay. At all. You said it was

difficult
> > to mod gpl; the multitude of mods available prove otherwise.
> >
> > Its easy to *mod GPL*. Its hard to make the mods themselves. Seems

easy
> > to grasp to me.

>
> Seems contradictory to *me*....
>
> I think it's *not* easy to mod GPL or world+dog would've done it. As it
> is, only *some* people have done it, and they've been sensible enough to
> keep the really sensitive data mainly to themselves. If they hadn't,
> world+dog etc, and cheating would have been pretty easy. And that
> *would* have had an impact on the popularity of GPL, imho.
>
>
> Regards, Rudy
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> GPLRank: -24



Thats true. Maybe the word hack would be a better one. Anyway, Malc
stated it was good that gpl is difficult to mod, that way he knows a lap
he's running, etc. My point was, that using that example(comparing laps)
isn't a good one in gpl, since it has been hacked since almost day one,
including the .exe file.

And between that file format, and the other ones that have been hacked in
gpl, as shown by all the hacks, mods, etc., its obvious gpl isn't hard to
hack at all.




 




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