Fiat to take over Chrysler??

I don't know if this would be good.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1232..._us_bu siness

Pete E. Kruzer wrote:
> I don't know if this would be good.
>
> http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1232..._us_bu siness

Remember the comments about Japanese cars as rice burners? Now its
Chrysler's turn. Spaghetti Cars, Dago Dodge, Pavarotti Cruiser, Pasta Van?

--
Civis Romanus Sum

On 01/20/09 08:26 am Jim Higgins wrote:

>> I don't know if this would be good.
>>
>> http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1232..._us_bu siness
>>
>
> Remember the comments about Japanese cars as rice burners? Now its
> Chrysler's turn. Spaghetti Cars, Dago Dodge, Pavarotti Cruiser, Pasta Van?

What kind of reputation do FIAT cars have these days? I don't think I've
seen them in the US at all, but they were not so uncommon in Australia.

BTW -- talking of "rice burners" -- I heard two guys talking a few weeks
ago about what their next cars might be, and one commented that US-made
cars are gradually catching up to the Japanese.

Perce

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"Pete E. Kruzer" > wrote:

> I don't know if this would be good.

IMO Fiat cars are crappy, they have more to gain.
If Daimler says their 19% share of Chrysler is worthless, why don't they
give those shares to those buying a new Chrysler.
"Buy a Chrysler and get part of the company".

> Fiat, Chrysler to form global alliance
> Tue Jan 20, 2009 2:54pm GMT
> http://uk.reuters.com/article/busine...50J4H620090120
>
> MILAN (Reuters) - Italy's Fiat will take a 35 percent stake in U.S. car maker
> Chrysler -- valued at zero by its part-owner -- in a deal aimed at helping
> the pair survive the worst crisis to hit their industry in decades.
> Fiat is not paying cash for the stake but in return will share products and
> platforms for small cars with Chrysler, which has already grasped billions of
> dollars from the U.S. government to avoid bankruptcy. It will also share its
> green technologies.

Die Buschtrommeln von Pete E. Kruzer ließen verlauten ...

> I don't know if this would be good.
>
>
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1232..._us_bu siness

FIAT will gain more out of that deal, because it opens the doors to the US
market, while Chrysler will gain access to technology of how to build those
small fuel efficent cars. The latter is not that difficult to do, but
probably Chrysler has too long ignored the fact, that such cars are needed.

FIAT has a reputation of building crappy cars, which I think goes back to
the 1970s. They have improved, but I still wouldn't buy one. However ...
Alfa Romeo is also a part of the FIAT group and they build state of the art
sports cars with a charisma just like the Corvette or the Ferraris (which
btw also belongs to FIAT).

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Talk to you later ... Hans from Germany (234 to go)

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Hans Muecke > writes:

> Die Buschtrommeln von Pete E. Kruzer ließen verlauten ...
>
>> I don't know if this would be good.
>>
>>
> http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1232..._us_bu siness
>
> FIAT will gain more out of that deal, because it opens the doors to the US
> market, while Chrysler will gain access to technology of how to build those
> small fuel efficent cars. The latter is not that difficult to do, but
> probably Chrysler has too long ignored the fact, that such cars are needed.

One wouldn't think it would be terribly difficult, but there isn't
much evidence Chrysler has been able to figure it out.

> FIAT has a reputation of building crappy cars, which I think goes back to
> the 1970s. They have improved, but I still wouldn't buy one. However ...
> Alfa Romeo is also a part of the FIAT group and they build state of the art
> sports cars with a charisma just like the Corvette or the Ferraris (which
> btw also belongs to FIAT).

I think that reputation goes a lot further back than the 1970s, and
was well-deserved at least into the 90s. Don't really know what
they're like now...

On Jan 20, 6:45*pm, Hans Muecke > wrote:
> FIAT has a reputation of building crappy cars

It's funny. Here, in Italy, we think the same about Chrysler's cars.

Bye,
Akira

On Jan 20, 8:25*am, "Percival P. Cassidy" > wrote:
> On 01/20/09 08:26 am Jim Higgins wrote:
>
> >> I don't know if this would be good.
>
> >>http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1232...?mod=rss_whats....
>
> > Remember the comments about Japanese cars as rice burners? Now its
> > Chrysler's turn. Spaghetti Cars, Dago Dodge, Pavarotti Cruiser, Pasta Van?
>
> What kind of reputation do FIAT cars have these days? I don't think I've
> seen them in the US at all, but they were not so uncommon in Australia.
>
> BTW -- talking of "rice burners" -- I heard two guys talking a few weeks
> ago about what their next cars might be, and one commented that US-made
> cars are gradually catching up to the Japanese.
>
> Perce

I don't believe that Fiat has sold many cars in the US since the
1970's. Back then, they had the X19, the 128, and the Strata just to
name a few.

I know that there were many unhappy souls when Fiat took over Ferrari.
I think it had gotten to the point where Ferrari could no longer
survive on their own.

-Kirk

On Jan 20, 7:30*am, "Pete E. Kruzer" > wrote:
> I don't know if this would be good.
>
> http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1232...?mod=rss_whats....

Chrysler had Italian ties (and I don't mean Iacocca). They owned part
(15% I believe) of Maserati (and had the "Chrysler's TC by Maserati"
with a Maserati-designed cylinder head for the 2.2 L turbo 4). They
had an agreement to distribute Alfa-Romeos through their dealerships
(which didn't last long). Chrysler owned Lamborghini. And back in
the 1980s, Iacocca's idea of a "Global Motors" had VW as its first
European choice, with Fiat next.

On Tue, 20 Jan 2009 04:30:56 -0800, Pete E. Kruzer wrote:

> I don't know if this would be good.
>
> http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1232...59294991.html?
mod=rss_whats_news_us_business

This makes more sense then anything else that's been proposed. They have
virtually no overlap in markets or in their product lines. Fiat makes
small cars, Chrysler makes trucks and big cars. Fiat is almost
exclusively European with no American presence, Chrysler is mostly North
American with very little in the way of a European sales network. This
doesn't fix Chrysler's redundant dealer network and it doesn't fix it's
UAW problem so this probably won't work but it's better than the GM deal.