Ride an SUB not an SUV

On Apr 17, 7:39 pm, "George Conklin" >
wrote:
> "donquijote1954" > wrote in message

> > See, George, you could do a good PR. Or perhaps we should give the
> > "honor" to that other George that lead us into the costliest war after
> > WWII over nonexistent WMDs...
>
> > "I defy anyone to read the middle chapters of The Cigarette Century,
> > the ones that detail the foundation of the Tobacco Institute and the
> > industry's efforts to muddy scientific waters, and not come away with
> > a burning need to drive down to North Carolina and find someone to
> > throttle. Or Madison Avenue. Among the many villains Brandt skillfully
> > waterboards are executives at the public relations giant Hill &
> > Knowlton, which during the 1950s single-handedly orchestrated Big
> > Tobacco's campaign to undermine anti-smoking advocates and scientists
> > up to and including the surgeon general. No lie was too big to tell,
> > no bit of pseudo-science too ridiculous to pass off as legitimate.
> > Parents, if you have teenagers considering a career in p.r., have them
> > read this first. I can't remember the last time I read a more scathing
> > indictment of corporate malfeasance."
>
> You changed the subject, but I don't smoke, for the record. I do have a
> tobacco buyout.-

The subject is the same in two ways: CORPORATIONS DO MANIPULATE THE
TRUTH, and DRIVING IS DANGEROUS TO YOUR HEALTH (think of the epidemic
of overweight people, for example) AND TO OTHERS (think of accidents
and Global Warming).

By the way, if you don't smoke is your business, but if you pollute is
not.

"donquijote1954" > wrote in message
oups.com...
> On Apr 17, 7:39 pm, "George Conklin" >
> wrote:
> > "donquijote1954" > wrote in message
>
> > > See, George, you could do a good PR. Or perhaps we should give the
> > > "honor" to that other George that lead us into the costliest war after
> > > WWII over nonexistent WMDs...
> >
> > > "I defy anyone to read the middle chapters of The Cigarette Century,
> > > the ones that detail the foundation of the Tobacco Institute and the
> > > industry's efforts to muddy scientific waters, and not come away with
> > > a burning need to drive down to North Carolina and find someone to
> > > throttle. Or Madison Avenue. Among the many villains Brandt skillfully
> > > waterboards are executives at the public relations giant Hill &
> > > Knowlton, which during the 1950s single-handedly orchestrated Big
> > > Tobacco's campaign to undermine anti-smoking advocates and scientists
> > > up to and including the surgeon general. No lie was too big to tell,
> > > no bit of pseudo-science too ridiculous to pass off as legitimate.
> > > Parents, if you have teenagers considering a career in p.r., have them
> > > read this first. I can't remember the last time I read a more scathing
> > > indictment of corporate malfeasance."
> >
> > You changed the subject, but I don't smoke, for the record. I do have a
> > tobacco buyout.-
>
> The subject is the same in two ways: CORPORATIONS DO MANIPULATE THE
> TRUTH,

The APA manipulates the truth big time.

and DRIVING IS DANGEROUS TO YOUR HEALTH

But far safer than horses, bicycles and about the same as other forms of
transportation, overall.

(think of the epidemic
> of overweight people,

Imagine: Life expectancy keeps going up, despite your predictions of
fear.

"Sharks kill an average of 10 people a year worldwide.

Hit and run drivers kill more in 3 days in the U.S. alone.

For every one killed, 72 are injured on one of America's dangerous,
deadly roads.* "

http://www.deadlyroads.com/

Someone said "it's a jungle out there"?

Some story...

"I was riding my bicycle when the curtains fell (i.e.- a blank memory)
and I became unconscious"

Hello and Happy New Year!

I am very pleased to have found this community online. The messages
of perserverance that come from of the stories I read are
encouraging.

It's been over 8 years since my accident.
On August 19th, 1997, 4 days after my 20th birthday, I woke up in an
ambulance with no recollection of how I got there due to the amnesia.
To this day, I still don't recall an incident. I was riding my
bicycle when the curtains fell (i.e.- a blank memory) and I became
unconscious in what I remember as the best sleep I ever had-until I
woke up. There were no witnesses, or suspects in the ambulance with
me, only myself and the Paramedics. They checked me for paralysis,
but luckily there was none. My helmet had saved my life, and my
sunglasses had just barely protected my eyes by not shattering.
However, my head was hurting intensely from a concussion, and I had
bitten a painful hole in my inner lower lip. The right half of my
face was scraped from top to bottom and bleeding and I was
unrecognizable and the bleeding was constant. I was rushed to a head
trauma clinic and astonishingly released after only the minimum 12
hour stay, and while blod still seeped from my face.
Briefly, the doctors prescribed me a very strong but incorrect
medication, whcih eventually prolonged my battle with PTSD and my
recovery. It also took me 10 months of making several phone calls
everyday to clear up the medical billing and insurance claim
situations (i.e.-what I was entitled to free was going to cost close
to $10,000).
The police called me after my accident and explained that the front
tire had come off my bike. They said they thought I must have been
hit by a car, given that it would have taken an certain amount of
force for the tire to have come off. A suspect has never been
caught. That was the least of my worries, though.
Over the past 8 years, I have come a long way battling headaches,
PTSD, and emotional instability. I have practiced deep breathing,
meditation and yoga and find that these activities have done more for
my recovery than any drugs. Since my injuries are not internal, and
my face has healed quite dramatically and without surgery, people do
not realize that I am a survivor, as I still appear quite young,
healthy and strong. My head still hurts intensley, everyday. It has
not been easy, but I am very lucky to be here today.

In addition to my own case, I have also witnessed a hit-and-run
accident and I find it very hard to understand the mentality behind
such incidents.

I hope you will welcome me to your community as an advocate of peace
and an adversary of hit-and-run mentalites.

Peace and stay safe in 2006

MANY POWERFUL STORIES HERE...
http://www.deadlyroads.com/others/in....msg704#msg704

On Apr 18, 11:51 pm, "mcs" > wrote:
> the biggest conspiracy that continues today is coal and govts that allow
> emissions and diesel and industry pollution in the form of
> particulates...allowed to pollute and sicken people in direct proportion to
> amounts and how often and nothing is done. Its beyond unbelievable . Time
> and again I dare anyone objective to compare people who live near exhausts
> or on streets with lots of traffic or who get allot of particulate
> pollution to clean air states and people who don't and you will see more
> cancers heart disease and asthma and respiratory disease correlated to a
> science ... If you live next to a busy shopping center or street for example
> combined with a city affected with coal dust a state away . say minus a few
> years or measure the chances of you getting ill faster. Its all very very
> real and nothing is still done...

Don't tell me that: I just moved into such an apartment next to a busy
street. I hope the AC (which I'd have on all the time to block out the
noise) will filter such particulates.

But hey, we could more bicycles in that thoroughfare --if only we had
some bike lanes. I do it, but I put my life on the line for just doing
the right thing. And like you say, nothing is being done --perhaps
because the predators have other priorities...

HOW THE LION BENEFITS FROM THE LITTLE ANIMALS' POVERTY

One day all the little animals went up to the King of the Jungle and
complained about their poverty, and in particular about the fact that
every time, during the dry season, they had to travel long distances
to drink the precious fluid, and demanded a WATER WELL be built for
them... They cited how the resources that they contributed to the
kingdom were wasted in WARS and EXTRAVAGANT PROJECTS to the tastes of
the King... He, however, replied with all kinds of excuses: the lack
of resources, that it wasn't a matter of him not wanting it, but that
it was a matter of "priorities" --which was one of his favorite
words...

Meanwhile, an Owl --who had very good eyes-- had been observing life
in the jungle, and thought this way: "Every time there's a dry season
the little animals must come to the little dirty waterhole where the
Lion waits for them... Had they been well fed and strong, he would
have had to run after them and even risk resistance. And, more
importantly, the little animals are forced to fight the Lion's wars as
the quick way out of poverty..."

And that's how the Owl landed an important --and well paid-- post in
the brand new Astronomy Department created by the King of the Jungle --
to the effect of exploring life in other planets...

On Mar 5, 6:22 am, "Qui si parla Campagnolo" >
wrote:
> On Mar 4, 2:55 pm, "donquijote1954" >
> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Mar 4, 9:49 am, "Qui si parla Campagnolo" >
> > wrote:
>
> > > On Mar 3, 11:47 am, "donquijote1954" >
> > > wrote:
>
> > > > Hey, be smart. You are part of the solution, not part of the problem.
> > > > And you save the buck. Dinosaurs are a thing of the past and the
> > > > little furry animals are here to stay.
>
> > > > There are two versions of it...
>
> > > > bike:
>
> > > >http://www.zazzle.com/product/235847689274986069
>
> > > > and bus:
>
> > > >http://www.zazzle.com/product/235396990102826110
>
> > > OK, how is the bus not polluting?
>
> > You don't see it everyday, but it's possible. Just some new
> > technologies and some political will to make it happen...
>
> > Heaven Help Bus
> > A visit to Iceland spurs dreams of a hydrogen future
>
> > The loneliness of the long-distance rider.I have seen the future, and
> > it works.
>
> > The 111 bus rolls quietly up to the Mjodd terminal in eastern
> > Reykjavik at 11:19 a.m., and I climb aboard. For 45 minutes, we cruise
> > through the suburbs and then to the central square downtown, picking
> > up and discharging eight passengers along the way. Fuel cells that
> > would have filled the space of several passenger seats five years ago
> > are now small enough to fit in the roof panels. And out the exhaust
> > pipe: a trickle of water.
>
> >http://www.grist.org/comments/soapbo...n-hydrogenbus/
>
> > I have a dream...that someday buses will not pollute. Actually we
> > could make it happen now much easier than having all the cars be
> > replaced with hybrid. Just change the fleet of buses to hydrogen or
> > some other technologies out there.
>
> > We can make it happen with THE REVOLUTION. Coming soon...
>
> How do they make the hydrogen? Do ya suppose their is some energy use
> to make that happen? And is the energy gained higher or lower than the
> energy expense to get the hydrogen?


I've seen hydrogen gas created by electrolysis at the last solar
decathlon. A large solar array was used to create hydrogen
from water via electrolysis and it was store in a hydrogen
fuel cell storage facility (which acted like a battery for the
hydrogen
powered electric generators) . The energy cost to get the
hydrogen is zero since the solar home was a self contain unit.
The drawback was that it only generated electricity when
there's sunlight and it relied on its hydrogen fuel cells to
generate electricity when there wasn't any sun. The hydrogen
fuel cell was bigger than a 21 cubic foot fridge - it was big. From
what
I was told, the hydrogen power subsystem was scavanged from a
surplus stand-alone (?repeater?) microwave tower power unit.
The exhibitors had to go through a significant number of safety
and building code checks/permits due to the large hydrogen fuel cells.
The system was designed and developed by NYIT. It was
amazingly awesome.

http://iris.nyit.edu/solardecathlon2..._sd_energy.pdf
http://www.protonenergy.com/company/...rogenhome.html

drydem wrote:
> I've seen hydrogen gas created by electrolysis at the last solar
> decathlon. A large solar array was used to create hydrogen
> from water via electrolysis and it was store in a hydrogen
> fuel cell storage facility (which acted like a battery for the
> hydrogen
> powered electric generators) .

On a more massive scale, one study showed that if 100 square miles of
Arizona desert could be covered in present day solar cells it could
easily power the entire country. I wonder if the $400 billion or so
spent in Iraq would have paid for the mass production of that many solar
cells???

The energy cost to get the
> hydrogen is zero since the solar home was a self contain unit.
> The drawback was that it only generated electricity when
> there's sunlight and it relied on its hydrogen fuel cells to
> generate electricity when there wasn't any sun. The hydrogen
> fuel cell was bigger than a 21 cubic foot fridge - it was big. From
> what
> I was told, the hydrogen power subsystem was scavanged from a
> surplus stand-alone (?repeater?) microwave tower power unit.
> The exhibitors had to go through a significant number of safety
> and building code checks/permits due to the large hydrogen fuel cells.
> The system was designed and developed by NYIT. It was
> amazingly awesome.

All we need is the commitment to overhaul the nations' power production
and it can be done right now. Add some wind turbines that are made to
actually make power rather than look 'high tech' with the 2 bird killer
vanes and 'problem solved' for now. I did see a funny news piece even if
they did not intend it to be. The reporter was standing in the middle of
a wind farm and all the high tech windmills were stopped dead, yet and
old fashioned farmers windmill was turning over almost full speed.
Makes you wonder if the farmers really had it right, no wind wasted.
Bill Baka
>
> http://iris.nyit.edu/solardecathlon2..._sd_energy.pdf
> http://www.protonenergy.com/company/...rogenhome.html
>

"Bill" > wrote in message
...
> drydem wrote:
>> I've seen hydrogen gas created by electrolysis at the last solar
>> decathlon. A large solar array was used to create hydrogen
>> from water via electrolysis and it was store in a hydrogen
>> fuel cell storage facility (which acted like a battery for the
>> hydrogen
>> powered electric generators) .
>
> On a more massive scale, one study showed that if 100 square miles of
> Arizona desert could be covered in present day solar cells it could easily
> power the entire country.

Just like my solar-powered flashlight. It works great when the sun
shines.

george conklin wrote:
> "Bill" > wrote in message
> ...
>> drydem wrote:
>>> I've seen hydrogen gas created by electrolysis at the last solar
>>> decathlon. A large solar array was used to create hydrogen
>>> from water via electrolysis and it was store in a hydrogen
>>> fuel cell storage facility (which acted like a battery for the
>>> hydrogen
>>> powered electric generators) .
>> On a more massive scale, one study showed that if 100 square miles of
>> Arizona desert could be covered in present day solar cells it could easily
>> power the entire country.
>
> Just like my solar-powered flashlight. It works great when the sun
> shines.
>
>
>
Those are 4-real though. Set it in the sun during the day and use it at
night. About $30 gets you one.
Bill Baka

On Apr 26, 6:32 am, Bill > wrote:
> drydem wrote:
> > I've seen hydrogen gas created by electrolysis at the last solar
> > decathlon. A large solar array was used to create hydrogen
> > from water via electrolysis and it was store in a hydrogen
> > fuel cell storage facility (which acted like a battery for the
> > hydrogen
> > powered electric generators) .
>
> On a more massive scale, one study showed that if 100 square miles of
> Arizona desert could be covered in present day solar cells it could
> easily power the entire country. I wonder if the $400 billion or so
> spent in Iraq would have paid for the mass production of that many solar
> cells???


Solar cells can't store power and don't provide power at night.
So they are not by themselves an alternate power
solution since they can't provide power on demand.

Unfortunately, electric battery technology is not at a
point where they provide an adequate storage capacity
for our on demand electric utility power needs so
a solar array and electric battery array system can't
be scaled up for an electric power grid/utility solution.
Electric batteries also have a limited lifespan which
drives up the cost of a solar array electric generation
system.

Hydrogen fuel cells via hydrogen electric generators
can provides electric power on demand. Also hydrogen
fuel cells and electric generators can be scaled up
engineering wise to theoretically solve power needs
of an electric utility grid. Hydrogen could also be
created by wind generators or a hydro electric turbine.
If the combustion of hydrogen does not produce radioactive
waste or CO2 emission either.

Theoretically, one might use solar/wind power as a
way to reduce the energy cost of making biodiesel or
ethanol.

drydem wrote:
> On Apr 26, 6:32 am, Bill > wrote:
>> drydem wrote:
>>> I've seen hydrogen gas created by electrolysis at the last solar
>>> decathlon. A large solar array was used to create hydrogen
>>> from water via electrolysis and it was store in a hydrogen
>>> fuel cell storage facility (which acted like a battery for the
>>> hydrogen
>>> powered electric generators) .
>> On a more massive scale, one study showed that if 100 square miles of
>> Arizona desert could be covered in present day solar cells it could
>> easily power the entire country. I wonder if the $400 billion or so
>> spent in Iraq would have paid for the mass production of that many solar
>> cells???
>
>
> Solar cells can't store power and don't provide power at night.
> So they are not by themselves an alternate power
> solution since they can't provide power on demand.

Please don't give me ammo to give you the "Duh" award.
That is why there are battery banks and Ultra-caps.
>
> Unfortunately, electric battery technology is not at a
> point where they provide an adequate storage capacity
> for our on demand electric utility power needs so
> a solar array and electric battery array system can't
> be scaled up for an electric power grid/utility solution.
> Electric batteries also have a limited lifespan which
> drives up the cost of a solar array electric generation
> system.

Look up "Ultra-caps" and you will see where the future of electric power
storage is going.
>
> Hydrogen fuel cells via hydrogen electric generators
> can provides electric power on demand. Also hydrogen
> fuel cells and electric generators can be scaled up
> engineering wise to theoretically solve power needs
> of an electric utility grid. Hydrogen could also be
> created by wind generators or a hydro electric turbine.
> If the combustion of hydrogen does not produce radioactive
> waste or CO2 emission either.

You're preaching to the choir with me.
>
> Theoretically, one might use solar/wind power as a
> way to reduce the energy cost of making biodiesel or
> ethanol.

Both result in CO2 emissions. Biodiesel and Ethanol still have that
basic C6H12O6 carbohydrate structure. Only straight Hydrogen burns into
water vapor. Wind, solar, and hydro can all be used to generate
electricity to make hydrogen with no pollution. Bio-anything will still
burn Carbon and make more CO2, even if it is offset by the plants that
are used recycling the CO2. This will probably go around for another
20-30 years before CO2 is taken out of the loop, if then. Right now,
China is coming up fast as the biggest polluter in the world, so we can
get clean and they will take up the slack on making pollution.
Bill Baka
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