86 Olds Delta 88 wont start.

Ok I know this is an older car but we love it and would like to get it
going again so any help would be great. ...First it has a 3.8 and just
turned to 100 thous miles and has ran like a brand new car till....We
took it to a garage and had some trasmission gaskets fixed and a
mount.We picked it up and it ran a little sluggish and the check
engine light came on.We got it home and looked under the hood and the
intake sensor and some other things was unhooked.Hooked them back up
and it wouldnt start.It would crank over but just wouldnt start.So we
had it towed to another garage and they said it wasnt getting spark
and the coil and ignition module was bad so we replaced it.Then he
calls back and says its getting spark but still not starting.Not sure
why but if he could guess he would say its the timing and gave me a
price to fix it.Not wanting to pay more money for guess work its now
sitting at home.Another garage guy said it could be the crank sensor
it would do the same thing as if the timing chain was bad.And that is
not very common that that car and motor has timing problems.So what do
you think Timing Chain or Crank sensor? oh If you go and start it now
the first time you try you hear kind of a pop sound.that didnt happen
before we replaced the last 2 things.If you try again it dont make
that sound just the first time you try. So sorry for the long post but
ireally want this car going any help would be great....New
battery,starter fine,feul pump fine,new mass air flow sensor,new
intake sensor,new 02 sensor,new coil and ignition module,new plugs and
wires.

First does it have a strong spark, second will it start spraying carb
cleaner into the intake, 3rd these engines were famous for failed
timing chains .


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On May 12, 3:42 pm, maxwedge >
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> First does it have a strong spark, second will it start spraying carb
> cleaner into the intake, 3rd these engines were famous for failed
> timing chains .
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according to everyone yes it does have a strong spark now,When we did
try spraying the carb cleaner into the intake it still wouldnt
start.Since the engines are actually bad about the timing chain then
theres a very good chance thats wahts wrong huh.Thank you very much
for your reply!

On May 12, 2:51 pm, LadyRavenFan52 > wrote:
> Ok I know this is an older car but we love it and would like to get it
> going again so any help would be great. ...First it has a 3.8 and just
> turned to 100 thous miles and has ran like a brand new car till....We
> took it to a garage and had some trasmission gaskets fixed and a
> mount.We picked it up and it ran a little sluggish and the check
> engine light came on.We got it home and looked under the hood and the
> intake sensor and some other things was unhooked.Hooked them back up
> and it wouldnt start.It would crank over but just wouldnt start.So we
> had it towed to another garage and they said it wasnt getting spark
> and the coil and ignition module was bad so we replaced it.Then he
> calls back and says its getting spark but still not starting.Not sure
> why but if he could guess he would say its the timing and gave me a
> price to fix it.Not wanting to pay more money for guess work its now
> sitting at home.Another garage guy said it could be the crank sensor
> it would do the same thing as if the timing chain was bad.And that is
> not very common that that car and motor has timing problems.So what do
> you think Timing Chain or Crank sensor? oh If you go and start it now
> the first time you try you hear kind of a pop sound.that didnt happen
> before we replaced the last 2 things.If you try again it dont make
> that sound just the first time you try. So sorry for the long post but
> ireally want this car going any help would be great....New
> battery,starter fine,feul pump fine,new mass air flow sensor,new
> intake sensor,new 02 sensor,new coil and ignition module,new plugs and
> wires.

I WOULD TRY THE CRANK SENSOR I HAVE A LUMINA THAT DID THE SAME THING
PUT A NEW SENSOR ON IT AND WALLAH

On 5/12/07 2:51 PM, in article
, "LadyRavenFan52"
> wrote:

> Ok I know this is an older car but we love it and would like to get it
> going again so any help would be great. ...First it has a 3.8 and just
> turned to 100 thous miles and has ran like a brand new car till....We
> took it to a garage and had some trasmission gaskets fixed and a
> mount.We picked it up and it ran a little sluggish and the check
> engine light came on.We got it home and looked under the hood and the
> intake sensor and some other things was unhooked.Hooked them back up
> and it wouldnt start.It would crank over but just wouldnt start.So we
> had it towed to another garage and they said it wasnt getting spark
> and the coil and ignition module was bad so we replaced it.Then he
> calls back and says its getting spark but still not starting.Not sure
> why but if he could guess he would say its the timing and gave me a
> price to fix it.Not wanting to pay more money for guess work its now
> sitting at home.Another garage guy said it could be the crank sensor
> it would do the same thing as if the timing chain was bad.And that is
> not very common that that car and motor has timing problems.So what do
> you think Timing Chain or Crank sensor? oh If you go and start it now
> the first time you try you hear kind of a pop sound.that didnt happen
> before we replaced the last 2 things.If you try again it dont make
> that sound just the first time you try. So sorry for the long post but
> ireally want this car going any help would be great....New
> battery,starter fine,feul pump fine,new mass air flow sensor,new
> intake sensor,new 02 sensor,new coil and ignition module,new plugs and
> wires.
>

Since it went bad right after the transmission & mount work, its likely
something is still not connected or not connected correctly (vacuum hoses
connected to wrong ports, etc.), and probably is not any sort of internal
engine problem. You want to start at the transmission and the mount and
work outward checking every connection, vacuum hose and any/all moving parts
they could've screwed up while they were in there.

On May 16, 4:07 pm, E Meyer > wrote:
> On 5/12/07 2:51 PM, in article
> om, "LadyRavenFan52"
>
>
>
>
>
> > wrote:
> > Ok I know this is an older car but we love it and would like to get it
> > going again so any help would be great. ...First it has a 3.8 and just
> > turned to 100 thous miles and has ran like a brand new car till....We
> > took it to a garage and had some trasmission gaskets fixed and a
> > mount.We picked it up and it ran a little sluggish and the check
> > engine light came on.We got it home and looked under the hood and the
> > intake sensor and some other things was unhooked.Hooked them back up
> > and it wouldnt start.It would crank over but just wouldnt start.So we
> > had it towed to another garage and they said it wasnt getting spark
> > and the coil and ignition module was bad so we replaced it.Then he
> > calls back and says its getting spark but still not starting.Not sure
> > why but if he could guess he would say its the timing and gave me a
> > price to fix it.Not wanting to pay more money for guess work its now
> > sitting at home.Another garage guy said it could be the crank sensor
> > it would do the same thing as if the timing chain was bad.And that is
> > not very common that that car and motor has timing problems.So what do
> > you think Timing Chain or Crank sensor? oh If you go and start it now
> > the first time you try you hear kind of a pop sound.that didnt happen
> > before we replaced the last 2 things.If you try again it dont make
> > that sound just the first time you try. So sorry for the long post but
> > ireally want this car going any help would be great....New
> > battery,starter fine,feul pump fine,new mass air flow sensor,new
> > intake sensor,new 02 sensor,new coil and ignition module,new plugs and
> > wires.
>
> Since it went bad right after the transmission & mount work, its likely
> something is still not connected or not connected correctly (vacuum hoses
> connected to wrong ports, etc.), and probably is not any sort of internal
> engine problem. You want to start at the transmission and the mount and
> work outward checking every connection, vacuum hose and any/all moving parts
> they could've screwed up while they were in there. - Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
For those of you who replied (thank you) I wanted to give a little
update.As of now the car is still not running and has been at a garage
for 2 weeks now.They still dont know.Now I dont work at a garage or
work on cars but shouldnt they know something as long as they have had
it?

On Jun 28, 5:04 pm, LadyRavenFan52 > wrote:
> On May 16, 4:07 pm, E Meyer > wrote:
>
> > On 5/12/07 2:51 PM, in article
> > om, "LadyRavenFan52"
>
> > > wrote:
> > > Ok I know this is an older car but we love it and would like to get it
> > > going again so any help would be great. ...First it has a 3.8 and just
> > > turned to 100 thous miles and has ran like a brand new car till....We
> > > took it to a garage and had some trasmission gaskets fixed and a
> > > mount.We picked it up and it ran a little sluggish and the check
> > > engine light came on.We got it home and looked under the hood and the
> > > intake sensor and some other things was unhooked.Hooked them back up
> > > and it wouldnt start.It would crank over but just wouldnt start.So we
> > > had it towed to another garage and they said it wasnt getting spark
> > > and the coil and ignition module was bad so we replaced it.Then he
> > > calls back and says its getting spark but still not starting.Not sure
> > > why but if he could guess he would say its the timing and gave me a
> > > price to fix it.Not wanting to pay more money for guess work its now
> > > sitting at home.Another garage guy said it could be the crank sensor
> > > it would do the same thing as if the timing chain was bad.And that is
> > > not very common that that car and motor has timing problems.So what do
> > > you think Timing Chain or Crank sensor? oh If you go and start it now
> > > the first time you try you hear kind of a pop sound.that didnt happen
> > > before we replaced the last 2 things.If you try again it dont make
> > > that sound just the first time you try. So sorry for the long post but
> > > ireally want this car going any help would be great....New
> > > battery,starter fine,feul pump fine,new mass air flow sensor,new
> > > intake sensor,new 02 sensor,new coil and ignition module,new plugs and
> > > wires.
>
> > Since it went bad right after the transmission & mount work, its likely
> > something is still not connected or not connected correctly (vacuum hoses
> > connected to wrong ports, etc.), and probably is not any sort of internal
> > engine problem. You want to start at the transmission and the mount and
> > work outward checking every connection, vacuum hose and any/all moving parts
> > they could've screwed up while they were in there. - Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> For those of you who replied (thank you) I wanted to give a little
> update.As of now the car is still not running and has been at a garage
> for 2 weeks now.They still dont know.Now I dont work at a garage or
> work on cars but shouldnt they know something as long as they have had
> it?

Yes. These are not that hard to diagnosis.

dahpater wrote:
> On Jun 28, 5:04 pm, LadyRavenFan52 > wrote:
>> On May 16, 4:07 pm, E Meyer > wrote:
>>
>>> On 5/12/07 2:51 PM, in article
>>> om,
>>> "LadyRavenFan52"
>>
>>> > wrote:
>>>> Ok I know this is an older car but we love it and would like to
>>>> get it going again so any help would be great. ...First it has a
>>>> 3.8 and just turned to 100 thous miles and has ran like a brand
>>>> new car till....We took it to a garage and had some trasmission
>>>> gaskets fixed and a mount.We picked it up and it ran a little
>>>> sluggish and the check engine light came on.We got it home and
>>>> looked under the hood and the intake sensor and some other things
>>>> was unhooked.Hooked them back up and it wouldnt start.It would
>>>> crank over but just wouldnt start.So we had it towed to another
>>>> garage and they said it wasnt getting spark and the coil and
>>>> ignition module was bad so we replaced it.Then he calls back and
>>>> says its getting spark but still not starting.Not sure why but if
>>>> he could guess he would say its the timing and gave me a price to
>>>> fix it.Not wanting to pay more money for guess work its now
>>>> sitting at home.Another garage guy said it could be the crank
>>>> sensor it would do the same thing as if the timing chain was
>>>> bad.And that is not very common that that car and motor has timing
>>>> problems.So what do you think Timing Chain or Crank sensor? oh If
>>>> you go and start it now the first time you try you hear kind of a
>>>> pop sound.that didnt happen before we replaced the last 2
>>>> things.If you try again it dont make that sound just the first
>>>> time you try. So sorry for the long post but ireally want this car
>>>> going any help would be great....New battery,starter fine,feul
>>>> pump fine,new mass air flow sensor,new intake sensor,new 02
>>>> sensor,new coil and ignition module,new plugs and wires.
>>
>>> Since it went bad right after the transmission & mount work, its
>>> likely something is still not connected or not connected correctly
>>> (vacuum hoses connected to wrong ports, etc.), and probably is not
>>> any sort of internal engine problem. You want to start at the
>>> transmission and the mount and work outward checking every
>>> connection, vacuum hose and any/all moving parts they could've
>>> screwed up while they were in there. - Hide quoted text -
>>
>>> - Show quoted text -
>>
>> For those of you who replied (thank you) I wanted to give a little
>> update.As of now the car is still not running and has been at a
>> garage for 2 weeks now.They still dont know.Now I dont work at a
>> garage or work on cars but shouldnt they know something as long as
>> they have had it?
>
> Yes. These are not that hard to diagnosis.

had a friend that just went through this...... after throwing a bunch of
parts at it, the mechanic replaced the crank sensor..... then the car
started.

check the crank sensor...... might be your problem

On Jun 28, 8:41 pm, "mark" > wrote:
> dahpater wrote:
> > On Jun 28, 5:04 pm, LadyRavenFan52 > wrote:
> >> On May 16, 4:07 pm, E Meyer > wrote:
>
> >>> On 5/12/07 2:51 PM, in article
> >>> om,
> >>> "LadyRavenFan52"
>
> >>> > wrote:
> >>>> Ok I know this is an older car but we love it and would like to
> >>>> get it going again so any help would be great. ...First it has a
> >>>> 3.8 and just turned to 100 thous miles and has ran like a brand
> >>>> new car till....We took it to a garage and had some trasmission
> >>>> gaskets fixed and a mount.We picked it up and it ran a little
> >>>> sluggish and the check engine light came on.We got it home and
> >>>> looked under the hood and the intake sensor and some other things
> >>>> was unhooked.Hooked them back up and it wouldnt start.It would
> >>>> crank over but just wouldnt start.So we had it towed to another
> >>>> garage and they said it wasnt getting spark and the coil and
> >>>> ignition module was bad so we replaced it.Then he calls back and
> >>>> says its getting spark but still not starting.Not sure why but if
> >>>> he could guess he would say its the timing and gave me a price to
> >>>> fix it.Not wanting to pay more money for guess work its now
> >>>> sitting at home.Another garage guy said it could be the crank
> >>>> sensor it would do the same thing as if the timing chain was
> >>>> bad.And that is not very common that that car and motor has timing
> >>>> problems.So what do you think Timing Chain or Crank sensor? oh If
> >>>> you go and start it now the first time you try you hear kind of a
> >>>> pop sound.that didnt happen before we replaced the last 2
> >>>> things.If you try again it dont make that sound just the first
> >>>> time you try. So sorry for the long post but ireally want this car
> >>>> going any help would be great....New battery,starter fine,feul
> >>>> pump fine,new mass air flow sensor,new intake sensor,new 02
> >>>> sensor,new coil and ignition module,new plugs and wires.
>
> >>> Since it went bad right after the transmission & mount work, its
> >>> likely something is still not connected or not connected correctly
> >>> (vacuum hoses connected to wrong ports, etc.), and probably is not
> >>> any sort of internal engine problem. You want to start at the
> >>> transmission and the mount and work outward checking every
> >>> connection, vacuum hose and any/all moving parts they could've
> >>> screwed up while they were in there. - Hide quoted text -
>
> >>> - Show quoted text -
>
> >> For those of you who replied (thank you) I wanted to give a little
> >> update.As of now the car is still not running and has been at a
> >> garage for 2 weeks now.They still dont know.Now I dont work at a
> >> garage or work on cars but shouldnt they know something as long as
> >> they have had it?
>
> > Yes. These are not that hard to diagnosis.
>
> had a friend that just went through this...... after throwing a bunch of
> parts at it, the mechanic replaced the crank sensor..... then the car
> started.
>
> check the crank sensor...... might be your problem- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

He said it has spark.

On Jun 28, 11:39 pm, dahpater > wrote:
> On Jun 28, 8:41 pm, "mark" > wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > dahpater wrote:
> > > On Jun 28, 5:04 pm, LadyRavenFan52 > wrote:
> > >> On May 16, 4:07 pm, E Meyer > wrote:
>
> > >>> On 5/12/07 2:51 PM, in article
> > >>> om,
> > >>> "LadyRavenFan52"
>
> > >>> > wrote:
> > >>>> Ok I know this is an older car but we love it and would like to
> > >>>> get it going again so any help would be great. ...First it has a
> > >>>> 3.8 and just turned to 100 thous miles and has ran like a brand
> > >>>> new car till....We took it to a garage and had some trasmission
> > >>>> gaskets fixed and a mount.We picked it up and it ran a little
> > >>>> sluggish and the check engine light came on.We got it home and
> > >>>> looked under the hood and the intake sensor and some other things
> > >>>> was unhooked.Hooked them back up and it wouldnt start.It would
> > >>>> crank over but just wouldnt start.So we had it towed to another
> > >>>> garage and they said it wasnt getting spark and the coil and
> > >>>> ignition module was bad so we replaced it.Then he calls back and
> > >>>> says its getting spark but still not starting.Not sure why but if
> > >>>> he could guess he would say its the timing and gave me a price to
> > >>>> fix it.Not wanting to pay more money for guess work its now
> > >>>> sitting at home.Another garage guy said it could be the crank
> > >>>> sensor it would do the same thing as if the timing chain was
> > >>>> bad.And that is not very common that that car and motor has timing
> > >>>> problems.So what do you think Timing Chain or Crank sensor? oh If
> > >>>> you go and start it now the first time you try you hear kind of a
> > >>>> pop sound.that didnt happen before we replaced the last 2
> > >>>> things.If you try again it dont make that sound just the first
> > >>>> time you try. So sorry for the long post but ireally want this car
> > >>>> going any help would be great....New battery,starter fine,feul
> > >>>> pump fine,new mass air flow sensor,new intake sensor,new 02
> > >>>> sensor,new coil and ignition module,new plugs and wires.
>
> > >>> Since it went bad right after the transmission & mount work, its
> > >>> likely something is still not connected or not connected correctly
> > >>> (vacuum hoses connected to wrong ports, etc.), and probably is not
> > >>> any sort of internal engine problem. You want to start at the
> > >>> transmission and the mount and work outward checking every
> > >>> connection, vacuum hose and any/all moving parts they could've
> > >>> screwed up while they were in there. - Hide quoted text -
>
> > >>> - Show quoted text -
>
> > >> For those of you who replied (thank you) I wanted to give a little
> > >> update.As of now the car is still not running and has been at a
> > >> garage for 2 weeks now.They still dont know.Now I dont work at a
> > >> garage or work on cars but shouldnt they know something as long as
> > >> they have had it?
>
> > > Yes. These are not that hard to diagnosis.
>
> > had a friend that just went through this...... after throwing a bunch of
> > parts at it, the mechanic replaced the crank sensor..... then the car
> > started.
>
> > check the crank sensor...... might be your problem- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> He said it has spark.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Ok I really think I am done messing with this car.Its been about 4
weeks its been at this garage so I called them AGAIN.He really hasnt
checked anything the only thing he has even mention doing is tring to
start it and now a compression test.So when I talked to him today he
said he thinks it has to be something in the head because it has
little to no compression.So before I call the junk yard and say heres
you alot of new parts could it really be the heads or could it be
still something else like timing ?