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  #11  
Old February 28th 07, 10:10 PM posted to rec.autos.makers.saturn
Doug Miller[_1_]
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Default Saturn hopes to beat Honda, Toyota in hybrid sales

In article >, SnoMan > wrote:
>On 28 Feb 2007 16:52:36 GMT, PerfectReign
> wrote:
>
>>Man, that is a stupid idea. Here they have a perfectly good diesel like in
>>the Opel Antara (Vue) and the Opel Vectra (Aura), yet they're not
>>capatilizing on the option here in the US.

>
>
>Diesels days in cars may be numbered. For many years they operated via
>a loop hole in emission laws that let them release a LOT of NOx (may
>times a normal car) and that loop hole starts to close with 2008
>models and it is not going to be cheap or easy to clean them up. They
>are finaily "catching up" with them


Please fix your broken newsreader configuration.
Tools | Options | Display | Message List Pane | Reply Prefixes
It should say re and nothing more -- but yours is blank.

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  #13  
Old February 28th 07, 10:49 PM posted to rec.autos.makers.saturn
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Default Saturn hopes to beat Honda, Toyota in hybrid sales

On Wed, 28 Feb 2007 18:23:19 +0000, a rock fell the sky, hitting Doug
Miller on the head, and inspiring the following:

> In article >, PerfectReign > wrote:
>>On Wed, 28 Feb 2007 16:17:52 +0000, a rock fell the sky, hitting Doug
>>Miller on the head, and inspiring the following:
>>
>>> In article >, SnoMan

>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>>No that Saturn is fully part of GM and no longer on its "own" its long
>>>>term viablity and competiveness is questionable. You buy a Saturn now
>>>>you are basically buying a GM car with a different label which goes
>>>>against the whole reason GM first created the brand. Also Saturn
>>>>started as a econobox maker and GM is phasing that out to focus on
>>>>SUV's which is another long term mistake along with dumping plastic
>>>>body parts that set it apart for other vehicles as well.
>>>
>>> Please fix your broken newsreader configuration.
>>> Tools | Options | Display | Message List Pane | Reply Prefixes
>>> It should say re and nothing more -- but yours is blank.
>>>

>>
>>Huh?
>>
>>Hey, at least he isn't using Outlook Express (and neither are you) -
>>that's a good thing!

>
> Every time SnoMan replies to a reply, his incorrectly-configured newsreader
> prepends a superfluous " " at the beginning of the subject line. Google up
> a few threads that he's responded in multiple times, and you'll see posts
> with subjects beginning " ".
>
> Here's a sampling:
> http://groups.google.com/groups?as_e...up=rec.auto s.
> makers.saturn
>
> I'm hoping eventually he'll realize that the problem really *is* with his
> setup, and not with everyone else's.
>


Ahh, didn't notice.

That would be a pain. I had used Forte (his newsreader) in a past life,
and never noticed that.



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  #14  
Old March 1st 07, 12:05 AM posted to rec.autos.makers.saturn
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Default Saturn hopes to beat Honda, Toyota in hybrid sales

On Wed, 28 Feb 2007 20:42:45 +0000, a rock fell the sky, hitting SnoMan on
the head, and inspiring the following:

> On 28 Feb 2007 16:52:36 GMT, PerfectReign
> > wrote:
>
>>Man, that is a stupid idea. Here they have a perfectly good diesel like in
>>the Opel Antara (Vue) and the Opel Vectra (Aura), yet they're not
>>capatilizing on the option here in the US.

>
>
> Diesels days in cars may be numbered. For many years they operated via
> a loop hole in emission laws that let them release a LOT of NOx (may
> times a normal car) and that loop hole starts to close with 2008
> models and it is not going to be cheap or easy to clean them up. They
> are finaily "catching up" with them


Well that is sad if true. I believe Diesel - far more than these expensive
and complicated hybrids - can lessen our reliance on the camel traders.



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complete my retreat just to wait for the day
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  #15  
Old March 1st 07, 01:11 AM posted to rec.autos.makers.saturn
Doug Miller[_1_]
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Default Saturn hopes to beat Honda, Toyota in hybrid sales

In article >, PerfectReign > wrote:
>On Wed, 28 Feb 2007 18:23:19 +0000, a rock fell the sky, hitting Doug
>Miller on the head, and inspiring the following:


>> Every time SnoMan replies to a reply, his incorrectly-configured newsreader
>> prepends a superfluous " " at the beginning of the subject line. Google up

>
>> a few threads that he's responded in multiple times, and you'll see posts
>> with subjects beginning " ".
>>
>> Here's a sampling:
>> http://groups.google.com/groups?as_e...up=rec.auto s.
>> makers.saturn
>>
>> I'm hoping eventually he'll realize that the problem really *is* with his
>> setup, and not with everyone else's.

>
>Ahh, didn't notice.
>
>That would be a pain. I had used Forte (his newsreader) in a past life,
>and never noticed that.


That's because *you* had *your* installation of Forte configured correctly.

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Old March 1st 07, 02:04 AM posted to rec.autos.makers.saturn
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Default Saturn hopes to beat Honda, Toyota in hybrid sales

On 28 Feb 2007 23:05:56 GMT, PerfectReign
> wrote:

>Well that is sad if true. I believe Diesel - far more than these expensive
>and complicated hybrids - can lessen our reliance on the camel traders.



I think I disagree because the answer may lie in a new breed of
gas/flexfuel engine with direct injection and much higher compression
ratios. If they would fully move coal based gas with a very high
octane and stop providing support for 87 octane they could make large
gains in MPG. One reason a diesel tends to get more MPG (other than
the fuel having a bit more energy) is because of their very high CR
that extracts more energy for expanding gasses as they burn. People
just do not relize how much 87 holds things back because it limits
efficency and compression. The use advanced knock control to mask it
but it hurts MPG and power at times. I feel that when DI gas motors
make it to the main stream that diesels will loose a lot of luster
because even with current fuel DI allows for a CR increase of about 1
or 2 points and a increase on power and MPG by 10 to 15% . The CR
increase is possible because the fuel is injected into cylinder just
before ignition and this cools mixture and retards knock rather than
the cooled mixture (after injection) being heated in head ports as it
is drawn in.
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  #19  
Old March 1st 07, 02:30 AM posted to rec.autos.makers.saturn
Doug Miller[_1_]
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Default Saturn hopes to beat Honda, Toyota in hybrid sales

In article >, SnoMan > wrote:

please fix your broken newsreader configuration

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  #20  
Old March 1st 07, 07:01 AM posted to rec.autos.makers.saturn
Kevin
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Default Saturn hopes to beat Honda, Toyota in hybrid sales

Doug Miller wrote:
> In article >, SnoMan > wrote:
>
> please fix your broken newsreader configuration
>


OK Doug, you are getting on my last nerve.

either Killfile him, or drop it.


 




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