Is this the place to find out about Eagle problems?

Is this the place to find help with Eagle problems?

If so, will respond with a fairly detailed history from engine sputtering,
to computer analysis saying one thing, to not solving the mystery.

Wayne

On Thu, 22 Sep 2005, Wayne Lundberg wrote:

> Is this the place to find help with Eagle problems? If so, will respond
> with a fairly detailed history from engine sputtering, to computer
> analysis saying one thing, to not solving the mystery.

Go on ahead and post. Try to stick to the basics (what's the model, year,
engine, transmission, emissions package and mileage, what're the symptoms,
what's been tried unsuccessfully).

"Daniel J. Stern" > wrote in message
.umich.edu...
> On Thu, 22 Sep 2005, Wayne Lundberg wrote:
>
> > Is this the place to find help with Eagle problems? If so, will respond
> > with a fairly detailed history from engine sputtering, to computer
> > analysis saying one thing, to not solving the mystery.
>
> Go on ahead and post. Try to stick to the basics (what's the model, year,
> engine, transmission, emissions package and mileage, what're the symptoms,
> what's been tried unsuccessfully).

Model Eagle Talon 2.1 engine esi
Year 1995
Tranny - stick, five speeds
Emission ????
Mileage 177,000 (engine was rebuilt about 5,000 miles ago)
Symptoms: Lack of power, on normal streets, on freeways.
Tried: Replaced idle motor, replaced fuel filter, replaced spark plugs and
wires, check vacuum leaks, fixed them. Replaced air filter.
Oxygen sensor shows up on the computer, there are two and both appear to be
OK... this is the key suspect and will cost a bundle if so.
Air sensor shows up on computer but we can't find it!

Any help will get you a Tecate or Bohemia and two tacos de carne asada when
you are in the neighborhood! (We are just north of the Tijuana border).

Wayne

On Thu, 22 Sep 2005, Wayne Lundberg wrote:

> Model Eagle Talon 2.1 engine esi

Don't see a 2.1 in '95 on those. Sure it's not a 2.0?

> Year 1995
> Tranny - stick, five speeds
> Emission ????

"Federal" or "California" emissions.

> Mileage 177,000 (engine was rebuilt about 5,000 miles ago)

OK, so a high-miles unit...

> Symptoms: Lack of power, on normal streets, on freeways.

> Tried: Replaced idle motor, replaced fuel filter, replaced spark plugs and
> wires, check vacuum leaks, fixed them. Replaced air filter.

Filter and spark plugs/wires were a good idea if they were old.
Vacuum leaks fixed -- also good.

> Oxygen sensor shows up on the computer, there are two and both appear to
> be OK... this is the key suspect and will cost a bundle if so.

O2 sensors are indeed a key suspect, especially if they are original to
the car (not replaced with engine rebuild). Even if they were replaced
when the car had half its present mileage, they're probably due. What do
you mean when you say they "appear to be OK"? How did you check?

> Air sensor shows up on computer but we can't find it!

Don't quite understand this. You're saying that a computer diagnostic
check indicated the "air sensor" (charge air temp sensor?) is not working
correctly, but you're unable to physically locate the sensor?

> Any help will get you a Tecate or Bohemia and two tacos de carne asada
> when you are in the neighborhood! (We are just north of the Tijuana
> border).

mmMMMMmm...tacos de carne asada...

On your 1995 EAGLE TALON, the SENSOR-AIR CHARGE is:

UNDER HOOD, CENTER/REAR ENGINE AREA, MOUNTED IN REAR OF THE INTAKE
MANIFOLD.

oh yea me tacos where you at ?
san yisedo
national city
chula wanna

k=no

Chula wanna!
Thanks!

> wrote in message
ups.com...
> oh yea me tacos where you at ?
> san yisedo
> national city
> chula wanna
>
> k=no
>

Top posting for brevity. My mistake, it's a 2.0, and California emission.

"Daniel J. Stern" > wrote in message
.umich.edu...
> On Thu, 22 Sep 2005, Wayne Lundberg wrote:
>
> > Model Eagle Talon 2.1 engine esi
>
> Don't see a 2.1 in '95 on those. Sure it's not a 2.0?
>
> > Year 1995
> > Tranny - stick, five speeds
> > Emission ????
>
> "Federal" or "California" emissions.
>
> > Mileage 177,000 (engine was rebuilt about 5,000 miles ago)
>
> OK, so a high-miles unit...
>
> > Symptoms: Lack of power, on normal streets, on freeways.
>
> > Tried: Replaced idle motor, replaced fuel filter, replaced spark plugs
and
> > wires, check vacuum leaks, fixed them. Replaced air filter.
>
> Filter and spark plugs/wires were a good idea if they were old.
> Vacuum leaks fixed -- also good.
>
> > Oxygen sensor shows up on the computer, there are two and both appear to
> > be OK... this is the key suspect and will cost a bundle if so.
>
> O2 sensors are indeed a key suspect, especially if they are original to
> the car (not replaced with engine rebuild). Even if they were replaced
> when the car had half its present mileage, they're probably due. What do
> you mean when you say they "appear to be OK"? How did you check?
>
> > Air sensor shows up on computer but we can't find it!
>
> Don't quite understand this. You're saying that a computer diagnostic
> check indicated the "air sensor" (charge air temp sensor?) is not working
> correctly, but you're unable to physically locate the sensor?
>
> > Any help will get you a Tecate or Bohemia and two tacos de carne asada
> > when you are in the neighborhood! (We are just north of the Tijuana
> > border).
>
> mmMMMMmm...tacos de carne asada...

"Daniel J. Stern" > wrote in message
.umich.edu...
> On Thu, 22 Sep 2005, Wayne Lundberg wrote:
>
> > Is this the place to find help with Eagle problems? If so, will respond
> > with a fairly detailed history from engine sputtering, to computer
> > analysis saying one thing, to not solving the mystery.
>
> Go on ahead and post. Try to stick to the basics (what's the model, year,
> engine, transmission, emissions package and mileage, what're the symptoms,
> what's been tried unsuccessfully).

My son is taking your suggestions to his mechanic friend and will go over it
and let me know what is happening. I will post here when I get anything.

Thanks!

Wayne

"Wayne Lundberg" > writes:

>> Go on ahead and post. Try to stick to the basics (what's the model, year,
>> engine, transmission, emissions package and mileage, what're the symptoms,
>> what's been tried unsuccessfully).

>My son is taking your suggestions to his mechanic friend and will go over it
>and let me know what is happening. I will post here when I get anything.

Was the "rebuild" a top end/gasket job, a ring job, a full rebuild or what?
Why was it rebuilt, due to a failure or due to poor performance like you are
having now? It would be worthwhile to check the compression. Low compression
would give you low power throughout the RPM range. I would also check that the
timing is correct and that the timing advances when you hit the gas. Checking
these two things pretty much rules out a rebuild-related problem.

Otherwise it sounds like you are running rich or lean especially given that you
are getting a O2 code thrown. To lack power without any noticeable "rich"
smell or smoke, it would probably be lean. You got a good start replacing the
fuel filter since that is a common culprit. You can hook up an inline fuel
pressure gauge to make sure the pump and/or pressure regulator are working
correctly. Aside from that, the various sensor inputs usually determine
injector timing and pulse width, so things get fun from there.