600 mile range Federal law needed

ya but at what point do you stop paying to transport gas around.
1st rule of fuel economy drive light on the peddle and make sure the car is
light.
I can't recall how much 1 gallon of gas weighs in at. nor can I recall how
many lbs of weight removal = increase of available horsepower.
point being is driving around with nearly 2 times the amount of fuel = 2
times the amount of weight there for fuel economy would suffer. and would
ppl pay $60 to fill a dodge neon. nope better off driving with 1/2 tank just
like it is now.

"Nomen Nescio" > wrote in message
...
> During the evacuation of New Orleans, on-board fuel supply and on-road
> fuel
> availability was of considerable importance and worry to car travellers.
>
> It is feasible to build cars with fuel tanks of sufficient capacity to
> achieve 600 range with reserve.
>
> Car makers consider 325 miles with reserve good enough. It isn't. Since
> car makers won't build cars this way, we need to force it down their
> throats with a Federal Law.
>

During the hurricanes that hit Florida last year, fuel supply was an issue
for several months - as it will be in Louisianna, Alabama and Mississippi.
However, mandating a 600-mile range on vehicles with more federal regulation
isn't the answer and didn't mean anything when you couldn't get gas in the
first place. It does nothing to put in larger fuel tanks if nobody can
afford to fill them, and the people who most needed to evacuate seldom had
cars to begin with.

Start with something that makes more sense, like mandating that gas stations
must have a way to retrieve the fuel from their in-ground tanks when the
electricity fails. That makes more sense than a larger gas tank in your
car.

There's going to be plenty more beaurocracy and enough federal rules and
reccomendations to choke a horse when all this is done - let's concentrate
on the important ones and not something that means little and is worth even
less. It scares me to think of what people are going to be screaming for
all in the name of public safety after this - perhaps federalizing all
agencies in state and local governments, conscription, siezing personal
property (boats, buses, aircraft, etc.)? Let's not make this harder and
more confusingly complex than we have to by overloading it with little
unimportant issues. My first prediction is that whatever spending bill to
fund disaster preparedness is passed after this is all over will contain
more unrelated pork than it will have money that actually gets to the people
who need it in order to minimize the potential tragedies of the next major
event - and you can take that prediction to the bank!

Jonathan

"Nomen Nescio" > wrote in message
...
> During the evacuation of New Orleans, on-board fuel supply and on-road
> fuel
> availability was of considerable importance and worry to car travellers.
>
> It is feasible to build cars with fuel tanks of sufficient capacity to
> achieve 600 range with reserve.
>
> Car makers consider 325 miles with reserve good enough. It isn't. Since
> car makers won't build cars this way, we need to force it down their
> throats with a Federal Law.
>

Nomen---OH SHUT UP!!!

"Nomen Nescio" > wrote in message
...
> During the evacuation of New Orleans, on-board fuel supply and on-road
> fuel
> availability was of considerable importance and worry to car travellers.
>
> It is feasible to build cars with fuel tanks of sufficient capacity to
> achieve 600 range with reserve.
>
> Car makers consider 325 miles with reserve good enough. It isn't. Since
> car makers won't build cars this way, we need to force it down their
> throats with a Federal Law.
>

Nomen Nescio wrote: "During the evacuation of New Orleans, on-board fuel
supply and on-road fuel availability was of considerable importance and
worry to car travellers. It is feasible to build cars with fuel tanks of
sufficient capacity to achieve 600 range with reserve.

Car makers consider 325 miles with reserve good enough. It isn't. Since
car makers won't build cars this way, we need to force it down their throats
with a Federal Law."

The problem is not how far a car can travel without refueling. The problem
is many stations lost electrical power to run the pumps. I drove home to
the area from Hots Springs, Arkansas. I anticipated having fuel problems
once I arrived home. I started looking for a gas station in Vicksburg , MS
and was not able to find one that had power. Got to Natchez, MS and found
power on a one station and a line of cars 1/2 mile long trying to fuel up.
Got to the second car in line and the power went out. I then head West down
US 84 until I found a gas station with power. Only fuel they had left was
the premium.

Made it home to find all the electricity was off and no one was selling
fuel. The next day power was restored In a neighboring town and I waited
2.5 miles to fuel up. They owner of the station was handing out water to
customers in line. He told me that he was able to secure two truck loads of
fuel and that was it.

Many gas stations are not open even though they have power because they
can't get the fuel.

Nine refineries have been shut down in the affected areas. Gasoline
supplies will be limited until all of them get back on line.The following
facilities should be starting up Shell Chemical Mobile, Alabama, Motiva
Convent, LA, Marathon Oil Garyville, LA. The following facilities will be
starting up as soon as wind damage can be repaired Motiva/ Shell Chemical
Norco, LA, Valerio, Norco, LA. The following will need extensive repair due
to wind and flood damage: Conoco-Phillips in Belle Chase, LA, Chalmette
Refining LLC Chalmette, LA, Shell Chemical St Rose, LA and Murphy Oil U.S.A.
Inc. Meraux, LA.

Gasoline will be in short supply across the nation until the refineries
start back up and at full operation. At present, Louisiana lost the
refining capacity of 1,470703 barrels of crude a day. Normally Louisiana
could refine 2,772,723 barrels of crude a day. So over half the refining
capacity has been affected by the storm. See the facts at
http://tonto.eia.doe.gov/oog/info/state/la.html

Offshore production will be cranking back up for several deepwater rigs. As
of 09-02-05 88 percent of the oil production in the Gulf of Mexico has been
shutdown. 20 platform or rigs are missing. One pipeline is damaged. See
the facts at
http://www.ocsbbs.com/Hurricane_katr...ept_2_2005.htm
The LOOP offshore oil facality has been shutdown due to damage to on shore
power grid needed for the LOOP to operate. Repairs are in progress.

The refineries that are operating will be operating on short supplies and
will not be running at full rates due to the lack of crude even with the
strategic reserve.

Sarge

"Sarge" > wrote in message
...
>
> Gasoline will be in short supply across the nation until the refineries
> start back up and at full operation.

I don't believe this is the case across the nation. Here in Oregon gasoline
prices
have remained flat for the last month or two. I strongly suspect that the
oil
companies don't like to pay a lot of money to ship gasoline all over the
place
and that a lot more of it is refined and sold locally than most people would
believe, and that the oil companies will admit. I also strongly suspect,
going on
what I know about how business is conducted in LA, that a lot of the oil
companies down there are giving wildly exaggerated estimates of how short
the
fuel supplies are going to be over the next weeks and months, simply in an
effort to keep fuel prices high to they can profiteer. Given that the oil
companies
own the current President, you won't see any tangible effort to stop the
price
gouging from the White House either, I am sorry to say.

Of course, I also know that saying all this is like rubbing salt in the
wound
to the people in that area that are reading this. But you should know that
the media is lying to you, gas prices in the rest of the country haven't
spiked
like a Super Bowl football on a touchdown. (at least, not here) I just
bought
gas at a 76 station on Friday at $2.66 a gallon and it was within 7 cents a
gallon
of that a month ago.

Consider also that summer is over and people are mostly pretty much finished
with their summer vacation driving, and gasoline sales during this period go
down anyway.

Ted

"Jonathan" > wrote in message
ink.net...
> During the hurricanes that hit Florida last year, fuel supply was an issue
> for several months - as it will be in Louisianna, Alabama and Mississippi.
> However, mandating a 600-mile range on vehicles with more federal
regulation
> isn't the answer and didn't mean anything when you couldn't get gas in the
> first place. It does nothing to put in larger fuel tanks if nobody can
> afford to fill them, and the people who most needed to evacuate seldom had
> cars to begin with.
>
> Start with something that makes more sense, like mandating that gas
stations
> must have a way to retrieve the fuel from their in-ground tanks when the
> electricity fails. That makes more sense than a larger gas tank in your
> car.
>

Not really. Most people pay with credit or debit cards and don't carry $40
around in cash just to buy gasoline (what it costs to fill my tank) and when
the
power goes, those forms of payment are useless.

In any case, this is a matter better handled by the states. I'm sure that
Montana
doesen't have to worry much about massive hurricanes coming through and
flooding it's major cities for weeks at a time.

> less. It scares me to think of what people are going to be screaming for
> all in the name of public safety after this - perhaps federalizing all
> agencies in state and local governments, conscription, siezing personal
> property (boats, buses, aircraft, etc.)?

Why? Nothing concrete was done after 911 other than invade two
foreign countries, well this time there's nothing to invade.

Ted

Hum...
My 2005 6.0L Power Stroke Diesel carries 59 gallons of diesel (Just shy of
420 pounds of diesel fuel). (Diesel weighs about 7.1 pounds per US gallon)
(Gasoline weighs about 6.2 pounds per US gallon)
Truck Gets 14.5 miles per gallon.
That equals 855 miles per fill up.
You don't need any Federal Law, what you are asking for is already on the
market.

At $3.15 per gallon, today's price, that's $185.85 to fill up from empty. I
just spent $140 doing it yesterday. :-(



"Nomen Nescio" > wrote in message
...
> During the evacuation of New Orleans, on-board fuel supply and on-road
> fuel
> availability was of considerable importance and worry to car travellers.
>
> It is feasible to build cars with fuel tanks of sufficient capacity to
> achieve 600 range with reserve.
>
> Car makers consider 325 miles with reserve good enough. It isn't. Since
> car makers won't build cars this way, we need to force it down their
> throats with a Federal Law.
>

In article >,
says...
> During the evacuation of New Orleans, on-board fuel supply and on-road fuel
> availability was of considerable importance and worry to car travellers.
>
> It is feasible to build cars with fuel tanks of sufficient capacity to
> achieve 600 range with reserve.
>
> Car makers consider 325 miles with reserve good enough. It isn't. Since
> car makers won't build cars this way, we need to force it down their
> throats with a Federal Law.

Why build bigger gas tanks? Why not mandate better fuel economy to get
the same effect?

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"Repairman" > wrote in message
news
> Yeah, and we need "reproduction permits" to cleanse the gene pool
> also............
>
>

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