double camel back heads

whoops, missed the S:

T0821S

Carl K wrote:
> http://pictures.personnelware.com/ga...avId=xe229e8f7
>
>
> T0821
>
> Where is the head number?
>
> Carl K
>
> Tom in Missouri wrote:
>> Carl, a picture that far away tells very little about the engine from
>> a monetary standpoint. Basically, it is a small block with
>> aftermarket finned aluminum valve covers and aluminum intake with a
>> Holley car.
>>
>> The front stamp pad in front of the right side (passenger side) head
>> will have the assembly code and sometimes a partial VIN. These will
>> determine the value. If you clean that pad off and get a clear shot
>> with the numbers large enough to read, then someone can tell you.
>> However, scratching the surface is a big no-no so do not use a knife,
>> scraper, sand paper, and so on to clean it up.
>>
>> The double hump heads were used from 1962 on a lot of cars through
>> 1967. There were roughly 1 million Chevies a year built, obviously not
>> all had those heads, but a large number did. As such, the prices on a
>> fresh set, ready to go, $300 to $600 depending on who is selling, if
>> anything has been done to them, and how desperate the buyer is. The
>> greasy used set are worth only around $150 - $200 even though many
>> trying to sell sets like that try to get $300 and more.
>>
>> A typical complete small block that runs is $300 minimum to around
>> $500 or so. With the right numbers, the price can jump substantially.
>>
>> You don't say how bad the Monza is. Vegas typical show up on eBay for
>> decent dollars as projects for the V8 Vegas or drag cars, although
>> there are a few who try to restore them.
>>
>> You don't say what the transmission is. A Muncie four speed typically
>> goes $400 to $1000 depending on which model and what numbers. It
>> could easily be a Saginaw as they were in Vegas and Monzas and that is
>> a door stop or boat anchor to most. If it is an automatic, again, it
>> depends on what it is.
>>
>> So you potentially have more there than the $800 but you might have to
>> wait awhile and you would have to do some work parting it out.
>> Frequently, selling in piece goes for less than in parts, but it
>> removes the headache all at once rather that some today, some in a
>> month, some more in three months, etc.
>>
>> So you have to basically decide what is best for you.
>>
>> "Carl K" > wrote in message
>> news
>>> Dad wrote:
>>>> "Carl K" > wrote in message
>>>> . ..
>>>> Snip
>>>>> Ok, so the heads are 'nice' but not 'special.'
>>>>>
>>>>> Here's the deal: I have the 327, with:
>>>>> 13:1 pistons (block may be bored, i forget)
>>>>> holly 650 dual feed
>>>>> edelbrock manifold
>>>>> headers that fit in the Monza
>>>>>
>>>>> 4 speed trans (don't think it is anything special)
>>>>>
>>>>> all in a monza, but not running. (has been sitting for 5 years.
>>>>> breaks never worked, never got the shifter linkage tuned in, so
>>>>> shifting is 'clunkly.'
>>>>>
>>>>> A guy wants to give me $300 for the whole thing, but "I just want
>>>>> the trans. will probably put the engine in my garage and let it sit
>>>>> with 4 others. I'll give you $200 for just the trans/clutch and
>>>>> bell housing."
>>>>>
>>>>> Think I should bother dropping the trans and trying to part out the
>>>>> motor?
>>>>>
>>>>> here are some pretty pictures:
>>>>> http://pictures.personnelware.com/ga...avId=x9861b0ee
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Carl K
>>>> Hard to say, only you can decide, if you want more ask for it; if
>>>> not, let it go and forget about it.
>>>>
>>>> Good luck
>>> thanks. That tells me what I need to know.
>>>
>>> I don't want to hear "what?! you let that go for X? I would have
>>> given you 2x!"
>>>
>>> also, someone is coming over tomorrow at 10am. may give me the whole
>>> 800. yay.
>>>
>>> Carl K
>>
>>

http://pictures.personnelware.com/ga...geViewsIndex=1

make that T082IS



Carl K wrote:
> whoops, missed the S:
>
> T0821S
>
> Carl K wrote:
>> http://pictures.personnelware.com/ga...avId=xe229e8f7
>>
>>
>> T0821
>>
>> Where is the head number?
>>
>> Carl K
>>
>> Tom in Missouri wrote:
>>> Carl, a picture that far away tells very little about the engine from
>>> a monetary standpoint. Basically, it is a small block with
>>> aftermarket finned aluminum valve covers and aluminum intake with a
>>> Holley car.
>>>
>>> The front stamp pad in front of the right side (passenger side) head
>>> will have the assembly code and sometimes a partial VIN. These will
>>> determine the value. If you clean that pad off and get a clear shot
>>> with the numbers large enough to read, then someone can tell you.
>>> However, scratching the surface is a big no-no so do not use a knife,
>>> scraper, sand paper, and so on to clean it up.
>>>
>>> The double hump heads were used from 1962 on a lot of cars through
>>> 1967. There were roughly 1 million Chevies a year built, obviously
>>> not all had those heads, but a large number did. As such, the prices
>>> on a fresh set, ready to go, $300 to $600 depending on who is
>>> selling, if anything has been done to them, and how desperate the
>>> buyer is. The greasy used set are worth only around $150 - $200 even
>>> though many trying to sell sets like that try to get $300 and more.
>>>
>>> A typical complete small block that runs is $300 minimum to around
>>> $500 or so. With the right numbers, the price can jump substantially.
>>>
>>> You don't say how bad the Monza is. Vegas typical show up on eBay for
>>> decent dollars as projects for the V8 Vegas or drag cars, although
>>> there are a few who try to restore them.
>>>
>>> You don't say what the transmission is. A Muncie four speed
>>> typically goes $400 to $1000 depending on which model and what
>>> numbers. It could easily be a Saginaw as they were in Vegas and
>>> Monzas and that is a door stop or boat anchor to most. If it is an
>>> automatic, again, it depends on what it is.
>>>
>>> So you potentially have more there than the $800 but you might have
>>> to wait awhile and you would have to do some work parting it out.
>>> Frequently, selling in piece goes for less than in parts, but it
>>> removes the headache all at once rather that some today, some in a
>>> month, some more in three months, etc.
>>>
>>> So you have to basically decide what is best for you.
>>>
>>> "Carl K" > wrote in message
>>> news >>>> Dad wrote:
>>>>> "Carl K" > wrote in message
>>>>> . ..
>>>>> Snip
>>>>>> Ok, so the heads are 'nice' but not 'special.'
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Here's the deal: I have the 327, with:
>>>>>> 13:1 pistons (block may be bored, i forget)
>>>>>> holly 650 dual feed
>>>>>> edelbrock manifold
>>>>>> headers that fit in the Monza
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 4 speed trans (don't think it is anything special)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> all in a monza, but not running. (has been sitting for 5 years.
>>>>>> breaks never worked, never got the shifter linkage tuned in, so
>>>>>> shifting is 'clunkly.'
>>>>>>
>>>>>> A guy wants to give me $300 for the whole thing, but "I just want
>>>>>> the trans. will probably put the engine in my garage and let it
>>>>>> sit with 4 others. I'll give you $200 for just the trans/clutch
>>>>>> and bell housing."
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Think I should bother dropping the trans and trying to part out
>>>>>> the motor?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> here are some pretty pictures:
>>>>>> http://pictures.personnelware.com/ga...avId=x9861b0ee
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Carl K
>>>>> Hard to say, only you can decide, if you want more ask for it; if
>>>>> not, let it go and forget about it.
>>>>>
>>>>> Good luck
>>>> thanks. That tells me what I need to know.
>>>>
>>>> I don't want to hear "what?! you let that go for X? I would have
>>>> given you 2x!"
>>>>
>>>> also, someone is coming over tomorrow at 10am. may give me the
>>>> whole 800. yay.
>>>>
>>>> Carl K
>>>
>>>

T - Tonawanda - definitely NOT a Corvette engine as they were all F - Flint.
082I - 08/21 Aug 21st assembly date. You need a date code off the
bellhousing flange behind the distributor to get the year.
S - automatic. These were the base 327 engines with an automatic in
passenger cars from 1962 to 1964.

As this is a Tonawanda block, the date code will be along this format - B 1
62, F 12 64, etc. The numbers may all run together without the spaces.

The head casting number will be among the rocker arms near one end.

http://i21.ebayimg.com/04/i/000/ae/7b/43bb_1.JPG

http://i12.ebayimg.com/07/i/000/ae/cf/78d2_1.JPG

The date code is usually below the casting number. If they are two digit
years (62, 63, etc. as opposed to one digit, they are Tonawanda castings
instead of Flint.) None of this will tell you if they are 1.94 or 2.02
valve size heads, however, most earlier ones were 1.94.


"Carl K" > wrote in message
. ..
> http://pictures.personnelware.com/ga...geViewsIndex=1
>
> make that T082IS
>
>
>
> Carl K wrote:
>> whoops, missed the S:
>>
>> T0821S
>>
>> Carl K wrote:
>>> http://pictures.personnelware.com/ga...avId=xe229e8f7
>>>
>>> T0821
>>>
>>> Where is the head number?
>>>
>>> Carl K
>>>
>>> Tom in Missouri wrote:
>>>> Carl, a picture that far away tells very little about the engine from a
>>>> monetary standpoint. Basically, it is a small block with aftermarket
>>>> finned aluminum valve covers and aluminum intake with a Holley car.
>>>>
>>>> The front stamp pad in front of the right side (passenger side) head
>>>> will have the assembly code and sometimes a partial VIN. These will
>>>> determine the value. If you clean that pad off and get a clear shot
>>>> with the numbers large enough to read, then someone can tell you.
>>>> However, scratching the surface is a big no-no so do not use a knife,
>>>> scraper, sand paper, and so on to clean it up.
>>>>
>>>> The double hump heads were used from 1962 on a lot of cars through
>>>> 1967. There were roughly 1 million Chevies a year built, obviously not
>>>> all had those heads, but a large number did. As such, the prices on a
>>>> fresh set, ready to go, $300 to $600 depending on who is selling, if
>>>> anything has been done to them, and how desperate the buyer is. The
>>>> greasy used set are worth only around $150 - $200 even though many
>>>> trying to sell sets like that try to get $300 and more.
>>>>
>>>> A typical complete small block that runs is $300 minimum to around $500
>>>> or so. With the right numbers, the price can jump substantially.
>>>>
>>>> You don't say how bad the Monza is. Vegas typical show up on eBay for
>>>> decent dollars as projects for the V8 Vegas or drag cars, although
>>>> there are a few who try to restore them.
>>>>
>>>> You don't say what the transmission is. A Muncie four speed typically
>>>> goes $400 to $1000 depending on which model and what numbers. It could
>>>> easily be a Saginaw as they were in Vegas and Monzas and that is a door
>>>> stop or boat anchor to most. If it is an automatic, again, it depends
>>>> on what it is.
>>>>
>>>> So you potentially have more there than the $800 but you might have to
>>>> wait awhile and you would have to do some work parting it out.
>>>> Frequently, selling in piece goes for less than in parts, but it
>>>> removes the headache all at once rather that some today, some in a
>>>> month, some more in three months, etc.
>>>>
>>>> So you have to basically decide what is best for you.
>>>>
>>>> "Carl K" > wrote in message
>>>> news >>>>> Dad wrote:
>>>>>> "Carl K" > wrote in message
>>>>>> . ..
>>>>>> Snip
>>>>>>> Ok, so the heads are 'nice' but not 'special.'
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Here's the deal: I have the 327, with:
>>>>>>> 13:1 pistons (block may be bored, i forget)
>>>>>>> holly 650 dual feed
>>>>>>> edelbrock manifold
>>>>>>> headers that fit in the Monza
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 4 speed trans (don't think it is anything special)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> all in a monza, but not running. (has been sitting for 5 years.
>>>>>>> breaks never worked, never got the shifter linkage tuned in, so
>>>>>>> shifting is 'clunkly.'
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> A guy wants to give me $300 for the whole thing, but "I just want
>>>>>>> the trans. will probably put the engine in my garage and let it sit
>>>>>>> with 4 others. I'll give you $200 for just the trans/clutch and
>>>>>>> bell housing."
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Think I should bother dropping the trans and trying to part out the
>>>>>>> motor?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> here are some pretty pictures:
>>>>>>> http://pictures.personnelware.com/ga...avId=x9861b0ee
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Carl K
>>>>>> Hard to say, only you can decide, if you want more ask for it; if
>>>>>> not, let it go and forget about it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Good luck
>>>>> thanks. That tells me what I need to know.
>>>>>
>>>>> I don't want to hear "what?! you let that go for X? I would have
>>>>> given you 2x!"
>>>>>
>>>>> also, someone is coming over tomorrow at 10am. may give me the whole
>>>>> 800. yay.
>>>>>
>>>>> Carl K
>>>>
>>>>

On Sun, 12 Aug 2007 16:32:55 -0500, Carl K >
puked:

>I hear the 327 I have came from a 'vette. I hear the heads are 'nice.' I put
>the thing in a 350 monza, but never got around to finishing that project.
>
>How special are the heads anyway?
>
>Carl K
>
>ps, please reply-all so that my email gets hit, otherwise I may forget to check
>back here.

I think the allure at the time was the 2.02 valves. I have a '68 327
in my '66 El Camino. (Was a 6 banger).

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Carl K wrote:

> Eugene Blanchard wrote:
>> If you know the casting numbers of the heads and the block, you can look
>> up what they are at http://www.mortec.com
>
> Firefox can't find the server at www.mortec.com.
>
> is that the right URL?
>
> Carl K

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