Communists in BC vs. Mustang

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> Interesting discussion
>
> Yeah, our tax burden in Canada is probably higher, but I wouldn't want
> to be looking at the federal deficit and the growing total debt that
> the US government is facing. Somewhere the piper will have to be paid.
> I just had an opportunity to look at one example of property taxes
> where we're visiting here in New Jersey. For a $350K house, around
> $8000/year. OUCH!! I pay about 1/8 of that in "communist" BC, mind
> you, that's in a very rural area with few services.
>

Mine are not even 1/8th of that. The differences by
state as far as taxes is miles different. I also probably
more house for less $. Our right to bear arms is in the name
of personal protection, from whom be it some gutter snipe or
a corrupt government is not a specification.


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> Interesting discussion
>
> Yeah, our tax burden in Canada is probably higher, but I wouldn't want
> to be looking at the federal deficit and the growing total debt that
> the US government is facing. Somewhere the piper will have to be paid.
> I just had an opportunity to look at one example of property taxes
> where we're visiting here in New Jersey. For a $350K house, around
> $8000/year. OUCH!! I pay about 1/8 of that in "communist" BC, mind
> you, that's in a very rural area with few services.

Yes Canada's Tax burden is absolutely higher. That is how they fund the
socialist programs.

You pay 1/8 that on what assesed value?
How much is your local and federal income tax?
What rate sales tax do you pay on your purchases?

You can't take New Jersey (one of the least free states in the nation) as
your basis for comparison.
My home has an assesed value 1/3 higher than you example, my property taxes
are well under half that of your example, and my state has NO sales tax.

One more graphic measure of a nations FREEDOM! Am I free to choose how I
spend my hard earned money, or do I give up that freedom and let the
government spend my money how it sees fit?


>
> Fuel costs ARE higher as our recent cross-country trip reminded us, but
> fuel is a valuable commodity and should be priced accordingly. You do
> realize that right now, fuel is cheaper than water, right? Does that
> REALLY make sense? Not that Canadian levels of government are taxing
> fuel for the "right" reasons (ie: to pay for good roads...HA HA - as
> residents of Saskatchewan know only too well!)
>

We are not talking about valuable commodities here, again we are talking
about Canada's HUGE tax burden, that leads to an oil exporting nations
citizens paying more at the pump than their neighbors, whom Canada is
selling oil to. again these taxes are used to subsidize their bloated (all
inclusive yet less effective) socialist programs.
Again yet another graphic measure of a nations FREEDOM! Am I free to choose
how I spend my hard earned money, or do I give up that freedom and let the
government spend my money how it sees fit?



> Guns? Well, you CAN own guns in Canada, although I think hand guns are
> kind of lots less common. BTW, I thought the right to bear arms had to
> do with dealing with an opressive government, going back to British
> rule in the 1700s? I know it's been touted as the right to own guns in
> the present day, but are you sure that's what was intended? Anyway,
> I'd prefer to look at the comparitive murder rate. Not sure if I feel
> safer south of the 49th (even with - or because of? - all those guns).

No you really can't own guns in Canada, the restrictions are overwhelming,
the few approved firearms that can be legally owned are laughable.
This (right to bear arms) one issue is one of the most telling indicators of
a nations true level of freedom. What "Free" government fears it's
citizens?
Here's an interesting read, do a search for Clayton E. Cramer's 1993 paper
titled "The Racist Roots of Gun Control".

As to murder rates and their conection to gun restrriction laws:
Gun-control propagandists will some times point to certain foreign countries
and claim that said foreign country, with significantly fewer firearms has
significantly less violent crime; thus reducing guns in this country will
reduce violent crime. The flaws with this argument are numerous: There is no
discernible relationship between the rate of private gun ownership and
violent crime rates. For example, Norway, the European country with the
highest per capita private firearm ownership rate has the third lowest
murder rate of all European countries. Northern Ireland, on the other hand,
has the highest murder rate of any European country, but the third lowest
private firearm ownership rate [7]. Another problems with this argument is
that the comparisons are static, that is they compare the violent crime
rates (typically murder) for one recent year only. A study of the difference
in the murder rates for Canada and the US shows that in 1919, when there
were no gun laws in either country, the US murder rate was 13.8 times the
Canadian rate. In 1971, after decades of increasingly stringent gun control
laws in Canada, the US murder rate is 4.3 times the Canadian rate. Finally,
this argument completely fails to recognize the vast differences
socio-political differences between the countries compared [8]. In
summation, cross-national studies intended to show the positive impact of
gun control, completely fail to do so.
http://www.etext.org/Zines/Intl_Tele...a_vu_9404.html



>
> Health care? Frankly I don't really care where the wealthy go to get
> theirs, mostly because I'm not wealthy. I feel very served by my
> "socialized" health care and I've experienced it in two provinces
> recently. I'm more concerned with not being made destitute as a result
> of some medical issue (once again because I'm NOT wealthy). That being
> said, there are lots of issues in Canadian health care and serious
> discussions are needed, but they're not really happening, just
> yet......

I'd rather have the option of living with a huge medical bill, than dying
while waiting in the socialist queue for needed (and readily available just
across the border in "Free" USA) medical treatment..

Again, you will find that you don't miss most freedoms untill you need them,
then it's always too late...



>
> Anyhow, we're enjoying our extended trip through the USA. Obviously,
> Americans have reason to be proud of their country (present federal
> leadership notwithstanding), as do Canadians (present federal
> leadership notwithstanding). Our countries need to remain good
> friends, but remember we're NOT the same and citizens of both places
> should appreciate that. No matter how silly some differences might
> seem, most of us on both sides of the border seem to think those
> differences are important.
>
> Sheesh - look at that - this was a discussion about a loose seat
> back.........
>
> Dave
>

Ya it's funny how coversations go, isn't it?

My responses were in direct response to Brads silly misguided challenge "You
don't know much about Canada, but most Americans don't.", and his furthar
demonstration and his absolute ignorance of FREEDOM.

Nobody


>
> My Name Is Nobody wrote:
>> Ya Brad, Please do.
>>
>> Why don't you try listing your total tax burden as a Canadian verses that
>> of
>> a citizen in the US?
>>
>> Lets talk about Canada's fuel costs verses the cost of fuel in the US?
>> (and
>> Canada is a FUEL EXPORTER) Oh that's about taxes too, Ouch, that's gotta
>> smart.
>>
>> Or you might try explaining your vastly superior Canadian right to arms
>> verses that in the US, after all we all know Free men have guns and
>> slaves
>> don't.
>>
>> Are Canadians citizens or subjects?
>>
>> While you are at it, why don't you touch on Canada superior socialized
>> healthcare system and where the wealthy Canadians actually go for their
>> healthcare?
>>
>> Shall we keep going?
>>
>>
>

>
> My Name Is Nobody wrote:
>> Ya Brad, Please do.
>>
>> Why don't you try listing your total tax burden as a Canadian verses that
>> of
>> a citizen in the US?
>>
>> Lets talk about Canada's fuel costs verses the cost of fuel in the US?
>> (and
>> Canada is a FUEL EXPORTER) Oh that's about taxes too, Ouch, that's gotta
>> smart.
>>
>> Or you might try explaining your vastly superior Canadian right to arms
>> verses that in the US, after all we all know Free men have guns and
>> slaves
>> don't.
>>
>> Are Canadians citizens or subjects?
>>
>> While you are at it, why don't you touch on Canada superior socialized
>> healthcare system and where the wealthy Canadians actually go for their
>> healthcare?
>>
>> Shall we keep going?
>>
>>

Seriously, man.... I have lived in the States (DC) and have family there now
(Manhattan and Houston).

When you say Canada, I say Alberta. That's like me talking about California
when you're in Kentucky. Big difference.

Our tax burden isn't much higher than the US, and in many ways is actually
cheaper. Gas prices in Alberta and California for example are indentical.
And your dollar is worth more, so compared to California, prices in Alberta
are actually cheaper. Gas prices really are a wash.

Our federal tax rates are higher. Blame the Nazis in Ottawa for that one.
But again, lowest state tax in the union in Alberta and no consumer tax.
Like none. Zero per cent. That more than makes up for our higher federal
taxes.

Guns. Glad you brought that up. Alberta is the only province in Canada where
the provincial gov't has said that Crown prosecutors (your DAs) will not
prosecute federal gun legislation. If the feds want the law, they can
prosecute. How's that for sticking it in the eye of 'the man'. As you can
imagine, there are almost zero prosecutions.

People I know have AKs, M-16s, Uzis, you name it, they have it. You CAN own
these weapons here. What you cannot do is carry them. You can take them to
the range anytime and crank off mags until your fingers bleed. But you
can't have them in your glovebox. It's not such a big deal I think.

Medicine... well, let's just say the waiting lines here are long, mostly
caused by an aging population. But, unlike when I lived in DC, I was not
asked for a credit card imprint when I went to the hospital. Here, walk in,
if you've got a headache or a brain tumour, your cost is zero. Yes, I sleep
well at night because of that.

And as I've noted, the legal drinking age here is 18. Calgary, Alberta, is
the only city in Canada where you can still smoke in a bar. There are also
no limits here on, for example, how many animals you can own. No emissions
testing (you should see the exhaust set-up on my 5.0 and Bronco.) Strip bars
are just that, not like in the US! (lol) Seriously, this IS the land of the
free. You'd like it here.

Brad