c4 identification troubles

You have a mongrel, there.

It looks like you have a Mustang with an earlier than '66 289, & a
transmission that was rebuilt/exchanged probably in the early '70s when
it was just an old car that someone needed a transmission replacment for.

I cross-posted this to rec.autos.makers.ford.mustang so the real Mustng
guys might be able to help out.

Rob

hillpony wrote:

> I have a 66 mustang with a 289 and a c4. I'm getting ready to rebuild
> the c4 but I'm getting alittle confused with the identifing marks. The
> casting number on the tail piece of the tranny is c7op-7a040, if i've
> done my research right this should be a 67 c4 off a fairlane/torino.
> Now where i'm getting confused with is the 5 bolt bell housing and 24
> spline input shaft. I thought I had read that those should be on a 66
> and earlier c4 where in 67 ford went to a 6 bolt bellhousing and a 26
> spline input shaft. There is a metal tag on the tranny with PEA M1 and
> underneath that is C9APABM4. Another number is on the pump cover which
> is C6AP-7D027-C. It is an aluminium bellhousing with casting number
> RF-C5AP-7976-B. Any help with the numbers to find out what it really
> is would be great.
>

trainfan1 > wrote in
et:

> You have a mongrel, there.
>
> It looks like you have a Mustang with an earlier than '66 289, & a
> transmission that was rebuilt/exchanged probably in the early '70s when
> it was just an old car that someone needed a transmission replacment

No. the eng. and trany change was a running change made in 67. You could
have had either depending on build date. KB



for.
>
> I cross-posted this to rec.autos.makers.ford.mustang so the real Mustng
> guys might be able to help out.
>
> Rob
>
> hillpony wrote:
>
>> I have a 66 mustang with a 289 and a c4. I'm getting ready to rebuild
>> the c4 but I'm getting alittle confused with the identifing marks.
The
>> casting number on the tail piece of the tranny is c7op-7a040, if i've
>> done my research right this should be a 67 c4 off a fairlane/torino.
>> Now where i'm getting confused with is the 5 bolt bell housing and 24
>> spline input shaft. I thought I had read that those should be on a 66
>> and earlier c4 where in 67 ford went to a 6 bolt bellhousing and a 26
>> spline input shaft. There is a metal tag on the tranny with PEA M1
and
>> underneath that is C9APABM4. Another number is on the pump cover
which
>> is C6AP-7D027-C. It is an aluminium bellhousing with casting number
>> RF-C5AP-7976-B. Any help with the numbers to find out what it really
>> is would be great.
>>
>
>



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Kevin Bottorff wrote:

> trainfan1 > wrote in
> et:
>
>
>>You have a mongrel, there.
>>
>>It looks like you have a Mustang with an earlier than '66 289, & a
>>transmission that was rebuilt/exchanged probably in the early '70s when
>>it was just an old car that someone needed a transmission replacment
>
>
> No. the eng. and trany change was a running change made in 67. You could
> have had either depending on build date. KB

Ahh, I'm pretty sure by '66 all the bellhousings were the larger 6
bolt... this I am aware of.

Rob


>
>
>
> for.
>
>>I cross-posted this to rec.autos.makers.ford.mustang so the real Mustng
>>guys might be able to help out.
>>
>>Rob
>>
>>hillpony wrote:
>>
>>
>>>I have a 66 mustang with a 289 and a c4. I'm getting ready to rebuild
>>>the c4 but I'm getting alittle confused with the identifing marks.
>
> The
>
>>>casting number on the tail piece of the tranny is c7op-7a040, if i've
>>>done my research right this should be a 67 c4 off a fairlane/torino.
>>>Now where i'm getting confused with is the 5 bolt bell housing and 24
>>>spline input shaft. I thought I had read that those should be on a 66
>>>and earlier c4 where in 67 ford went to a 6 bolt bellhousing and a 26
>>>spline input shaft. There is a metal tag on the tranny with PEA M1
>
> and
>
>>>underneath that is C9APABM4. Another number is on the pump cover
>
> which
>
>>>is C6AP-7D027-C. It is an aluminium bellhousing with casting number
>>>RF-C5AP-7976-B. Any help with the numbers to find out what it really
>>>is would be great.
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
>

So a C4 is a C4 is a C4 isn't necessarily the case?

My problem is this...

I have a '65 six cylinder coupe that does not have the original engine,
it currently has a '67 six cylinder but I believe the C4 tranny was
from the original '65. Now the tranny is slipping. I got a C4 tranny
but my mechanic says it won't bolt up to the '67 engine. I figured it
was just the bellhousings - this new tranny was in a V8.

Any help would be appreciated - what I need to look at to line up the
engine I have with

And anyone in southern Ontario or upstate NY have a good C4 tranny for
sale? And can guarantee it will bold onto a '67 6 cylinder?

Thanks.

Andrew


In article >, trainfan1
> wrote:

> Kevin Bottorff wrote:
>
> > trainfan1 > wrote in
> > et:
> >
> >
> >>You have a mongrel, there.
> >>
> >>It looks like you have a Mustang with an earlier than '66 289, & a
> >>transmission that was rebuilt/exchanged probably in the early '70s when
> >>it was just an old car that someone needed a transmission replacment
> >
> >
> > No. the eng. and trany change was a running change made in 67. You could
> > have had either depending on build date. KB
>
> Ahh, I'm pretty sure by '66 all the bellhousings were the larger 6
> bolt... this I am aware of.
>
> Rob
>
>
> >
> >
> >
> > for.
> >
> >>I cross-posted this to rec.autos.makers.ford.mustang so the real Mustng
> >>guys might be able to help out.
> >>
> >>Rob
> >>
> >>hillpony wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>>I have a 66 mustang with a 289 and a c4. I'm getting ready to rebuild
> >>>the c4 but I'm getting alittle confused with the identifing marks.
> >
> > The
> >
> >>>casting number on the tail piece of the tranny is c7op-7a040, if i've
> >>>done my research right this should be a 67 c4 off a fairlane/torino.
> >>>Now where i'm getting confused with is the 5 bolt bell housing and 24
> >>>spline input shaft. I thought I had read that those should be on a 66
> >>>and earlier c4 where in 67 ford went to a 6 bolt bellhousing and a 26
> >>>spline input shaft. There is a metal tag on the tranny with PEA M1
> >
> > and
> >
> >>>underneath that is C9APABM4. Another number is on the pump cover
> >
> > which
> >
> >>>is C6AP-7D027-C. It is an aluminium bellhousing with casting number
> >>>RF-C5AP-7976-B. Any help with the numbers to find out what it really
> >>>is would be great.
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >

pre 65 had a 5 bolt bellhousing. after 65 had a six bolt bell housing.
the transmission is the same for both. just unbolt the bellhousings, and put
the good trans on the bellhousing you need.
"Andrew Croft" > wrote in message
. ..
> So a C4 is a C4 is a C4 isn't necessarily the case?
>
> My problem is this...
>
> I have a '65 six cylinder coupe that does not have the original engine,
> it currently has a '67 six cylinder but I believe the C4 tranny was
> from the original '65. Now the tranny is slipping. I got a C4 tranny
> but my mechanic says it won't bolt up to the '67 engine. I figured it
> was just the bellhousings - this new tranny was in a V8.
>
> Any help would be appreciated - what I need to look at to line up the
> engine I have with
>
> And anyone in southern Ontario or upstate NY have a good C4 tranny for
> sale? And can guarantee it will bold onto a '67 6 cylinder?
>
> Thanks.
>
> Andrew
>
>
> In article >, trainfan1
> > wrote:
>
>> Kevin Bottorff wrote:
>>
>> > trainfan1 > wrote in
>> > et:
>> >
>> >
>> >>You have a mongrel, there.
>> >>
>> >>It looks like you have a Mustang with an earlier than '66 289, & a
>> >>transmission that was rebuilt/exchanged probably in the early '70s when
>> >>it was just an old car that someone needed a transmission replacment
>> >
>> >
>> > No. the eng. and trany change was a running change made in 67. You
>> > could
>> > have had either depending on build date. KB
>>
>> Ahh, I'm pretty sure by '66 all the bellhousings were the larger 6
>> bolt... this I am aware of.
>>
>> Rob
>>
>>
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > for.
>> >
>> >>I cross-posted this to rec.autos.makers.ford.mustang so the real Mustng
>> >>guys might be able to help out.
>> >>
>> >>Rob
>> >>
>> >>hillpony wrote:
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>>I have a 66 mustang with a 289 and a c4. I'm getting ready to rebuild
>> >>>the c4 but I'm getting alittle confused with the identifing marks.
>> >
>> > The
>> >
>> >>>casting number on the tail piece of the tranny is c7op-7a040, if i've
>> >>>done my research right this should be a 67 c4 off a fairlane/torino.
>> >>>Now where i'm getting confused with is the 5 bolt bell housing and 24
>> >>>spline input shaft. I thought I had read that those should be on a 66
>> >>>and earlier c4 where in 67 ford went to a 6 bolt bellhousing and a 26
>> >>>spline input shaft. There is a metal tag on the tranny with PEA M1
>> >
>> > and
>> >
>> >>>underneath that is C9APABM4. Another number is on the pump cover
>> >
>> > which
>> >
>> >>>is C6AP-7D027-C. It is an aluminium bellhousing with casting number
>> >>>RF-C5AP-7976-B. Any help with the numbers to find out what it really
>> >>>is would be great.
>> >>>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>> >

"Tom" > wrote in
:

> pre 65 had a 5 bolt bellhousing. after 65 had a six bolt bell housing.
> the transmission is the same for both. just unbolt the bellhousings,
> and put the good trans on the bellhousing you need.
> "Andrew Croft" > wrote in message
> . ..
>> So a C4 is a C4 is a C4 isn't necessarily the case?
>>
>> My problem is this...
>>
>> I have a '65 six cylinder coupe that does not have the original
>> engine, it currently has a '67 six cylinder but I believe the C4
>> tranny was from the original '65. Now the tranny is slipping. I got a
>> C4 tranny but my mechanic says it won't bolt up to the '67 engine. I
>> figured it was just the bellhousings - this new tranny was in a V8.
>>
>> Any help would be appreciated - what I need to look at to line up the
>> engine I have with
>>
>> And anyone in southern Ontario or upstate NY have a good C4 tranny
>> for sale? And can guarantee it will bold onto a '67 6 cylinder?
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>> Andrew
>>
>>
>> In article >,
>> trainfan1 > wrote:
>>
>>> Kevin Bottorff wrote:
>>>
>>> > trainfan1 > wrote in
>>> > et:
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >>You have a mongrel, there.
>>> >>
>>> >>It looks like you have a Mustang with an earlier than '66 289, & a
>>> >>transmission that was rebuilt/exchanged probably in the early '70s
>>> >>when it was just an old car that someone needed a transmission
>>> >>replacment
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > No. the eng. and trany change was a running change made in 67. You
>>> > could
>>> > have had either depending on build date. KB
>>>
>>> Ahh, I'm pretty sure by '66 all the bellhousings were the larger 6
>>> bolt... this I am aware of.
>>>
>>> Rob
>>>
>>>
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > for.
>>> >
>>> >>I cross-posted this to rec.autos.makers.ford.mustang so the real
>>> >>Mustng guys might be able to help out.
>>> >>
>>> >>Rob
>>> >>
>>> >>hillpony wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>>I have a 66 mustang with a 289 and a c4. I'm getting ready to
>>> >>>rebuild the c4 but I'm getting alittle confused with the
>>> >>>identifing marks.
>>> >
>>> > The
>>> >
>>> >>>casting number on the tail piece of the tranny is c7op-7a040, if
>>> >>>i've done my research right this should be a 67 c4 off a
>>> >>>fairlane/torino. Now where i'm getting confused with is the 5
>>> >>>bolt bell housing and 24 spline input shaft. I thought I had
>>> >>>read that those should be on a 66 and earlier c4 where in 67 ford
>>> >>>went to a 6 bolt bellhousing and a 26 spline input shaft. There
>>> >>>is a metal tag on the tranny with PEA M1
>>> >
>>> > and
>>> >
>>> >>>underneath that is C9APABM4. Another number is on the pump cover
>>> >
>>> > which
>>> >
>>> >>>is C6AP-7D027-C. It is an aluminium bellhousing with casting
>>> >>>number RF-C5AP-7976-B. Any help with the numbers to find out
>>> >>>what it really is would be great.
>>> >>>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>
>
>

You need to be sure that both are from a floor shift car if that is what
you have now. other wise you will have to change the shift lever. KB

Hi Tom, Kevin,

Thanks for your input.

I went to the shop today - the tranny that was in my stang is a 5-bolt.
But this engine is from a '67 Mustang.

My mechanic says I should only look for a C4 for an inline six, and not
get one that was in a V8.

Damn, had a line on a C4 but it is from an early 70s Ford with a 302.

Anyone in southern Ontario got what I need? I'm fast running out of
good Canadian weather in which to drive!

Thanks.

Andrew


In article >, Kevin
Bottorff > wrote:

> "Tom" > wrote in
> :
>
> > pre 65 had a 5 bolt bellhousing. after 65 had a six bolt bell housing.
> > the transmission is the same for both. just unbolt the bellhousings,
> > and put the good trans on the bellhousing you need.
> > "Andrew Croft" > wrote in message
> > . ..
> >> So a C4 is a C4 is a C4 isn't necessarily the case?
> >>
> >> My problem is this...
> >>
> >> I have a '65 six cylinder coupe that does not have the original
> >> engine, it currently has a '67 six cylinder but I believe the C4
> >> tranny was from the original '65. Now the tranny is slipping. I got a
> >> C4 tranny but my mechanic says it won't bolt up to the '67 engine. I
> >> figured it was just the bellhousings - this new tranny was in a V8.
> >>
> >> Any help would be appreciated - what I need to look at to line up the
> >> engine I have with
> >>
> >> And anyone in southern Ontario or upstate NY have a good C4 tranny
> >> for sale? And can guarantee it will bold onto a '67 6 cylinder?
> >>
> >> Thanks.
> >>
> >> Andrew
> >>
> >>
> >> In article >,
> >> trainfan1 > wrote:
> >>
> >>> Kevin Bottorff wrote:
> >>>
> >>> > trainfan1 > wrote in
> >>> > et:
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> >>You have a mongrel, there.
> >>> >>
> >>> >>It looks like you have a Mustang with an earlier than '66 289, & a
> >>> >>transmission that was rebuilt/exchanged probably in the early '70s
> >>> >>when it was just an old car that someone needed a transmission
> >>> >>replacment
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> > No. the eng. and trany change was a running change made in 67. You
> >>> > could
> >>> > have had either depending on build date. KB
> >>>
> >>> Ahh, I'm pretty sure by '66 all the bellhousings were the larger 6
> >>> bolt... this I am aware of.
> >>>
> >>> Rob
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> > for.
> >>> >
> >>> >>I cross-posted this to rec.autos.makers.ford.mustang so the real
> >>> >>Mustng guys might be able to help out.
> >>> >>
> >>> >>Rob
> >>> >>
> >>> >>hillpony wrote:
> >>> >>
> >>> >>
> >>> >>>I have a 66 mustang with a 289 and a c4. I'm getting ready to
> >>> >>>rebuild the c4 but I'm getting alittle confused with the
> >>> >>>identifing marks.
> >>> >
> >>> > The
> >>> >
> >>> >>>casting number on the tail piece of the tranny is c7op-7a040, if
> >>> >>>i've done my research right this should be a 67 c4 off a
> >>> >>>fairlane/torino. Now where i'm getting confused with is the 5
> >>> >>>bolt bell housing and 24 spline input shaft. I thought I had
> >>> >>>read that those should be on a 66 and earlier c4 where in 67 ford
> >>> >>>went to a 6 bolt bellhousing and a 26 spline input shaft. There
> >>> >>>is a metal tag on the tranny with PEA M1
> >>> >
> >>> > and
> >>> >
> >>> >>>underneath that is C9APABM4. Another number is on the pump cover
> >>> >
> >>> > which
> >>> >
> >>> >>>is C6AP-7D027-C. It is an aluminium bellhousing with casting
> >>> >>>number RF-C5AP-7976-B. Any help with the numbers to find out
> >>> >>>what it really is would be great.
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>
> >>> >>
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >
> >
> >
>
> You need to be sure that both are from a floor shift car if that is what
> you have now. other wise you will have to change the shift lever. KB

Andrew Croft > wrote in
:

> Hi Tom, Kevin,
>
> Thanks for your input.
>
> I went to the shop today - the tranny that was in my stang is a
> 5-bolt. But this engine is from a '67 Mustang.
>
> My mechanic says I should only look for a C4 for an inline six, and
> not get one that was in a V8.
>
> Damn, had a line on a C4 but it is from an early 70s Ford with a 302.
>
> Anyone in southern Ontario got what I need? I'm fast running out of
> good Canadian weather in which to drive!
>
> Thanks.
>
> Andrew
>
>
> In article >, Kevin
> Bottorff > wrote:
>
>> "Tom" > wrote in
>> :
>>
>> > pre 65 had a 5 bolt bellhousing. after 65 had a six bolt bell
>> > housing. the transmission is the same for both. just unbolt the
>> > bellhousings, and put the good trans on the bellhousing you need.
>> > "Andrew Croft" > wrote in message
>> > . ..
>> >> So a C4 is a C4 is a C4 isn't necessarily the case?
>> >>
>> >> My problem is this...
>> >>
>> >> I have a '65 six cylinder coupe that does not have the original
>> >> engine, it currently has a '67 six cylinder but I believe the C4
>> >> tranny was from the original '65. Now the tranny is slipping. I
>> >> got a C4 tranny but my mechanic says it won't bolt up to the '67
>> >> engine. I figured it was just the bellhousings - this new tranny
>> >> was in a V8.
>> >>
>> >> Any help would be appreciated - what I need to look at to line up
>> >> the engine I have with
>> >>
>> >> And anyone in southern Ontario or upstate NY have a good C4 tranny
>> >> for sale? And can guarantee it will bold onto a '67 6 cylinder?
>> >>
>> >> Thanks.
>> >>
>> >> Andrew
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> In article >,
>> >> trainfan1 > wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> Kevin Bottorff wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> > trainfan1 > wrote in
>> >>> > et:
>> >>> >
>> >>> >
>> >>> >>You have a mongrel, there.
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >>It looks like you have a Mustang with an earlier than '66 289,
>> >>> >>& a transmission that was rebuilt/exchanged probably in the
>> >>> >>early '70s when it was just an old car that someone needed a
>> >>> >>transmission replacment
>> >>> >
>> >>> >
>> >>> > No. the eng. and trany change was a running change made in 67.
>> >>> > You could
>> >>> > have had either depending on build date. KB
>> >>>
>> >>> Ahh, I'm pretty sure by '66 all the bellhousings were the larger
>> >>> 6 bolt... this I am aware of.
>> >>>
>> >>> Rob
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> >
>> >>> >
>> >>> >
>> >>> > for.
>> >>> >
>> >>> >>I cross-posted this to rec.autos.makers.ford.mustang so the
>> >>> >>real Mustng guys might be able to help out.
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >>Rob
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >>hillpony wrote:
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >>>I have a 66 mustang with a 289 and a c4. I'm getting ready to
>> >>> >>>rebuild the c4 but I'm getting alittle confused with the
>> >>> >>>identifing marks.
>> >>> >
>> >>> > The
>> >>> >
>> >>> >>>casting number on the tail piece of the tranny is c7op-7a040,
>> >>> >>>if i've done my research right this should be a 67 c4 off a
>> >>> >>>fairlane/torino. Now where i'm getting confused with is the 5
>> >>> >>>bolt bell housing and 24 spline input shaft. I thought I had
>> >>> >>>read that those should be on a 66 and earlier c4 where in 67
>> >>> >>>ford went to a 6 bolt bellhousing and a 26 spline input shaft.
>> >>> >>> There is a metal tag on the tranny with PEA M1
>> >>> >
>> >>> > and
>> >>> >
>> >>> >>>underneath that is C9APABM4. Another number is on the pump
>> >>> >>>cover
>> >>> >
>> >>> > which
>> >>> >
>> >>> >>>is C6AP-7D027-C. It is an aluminium bellhousing with casting
>> >>> >>>number RF-C5AP-7976-B. Any help with the numbers to find out
>> >>> >>>what it really is would be great.
>> >>> >>>
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >
>> >>> >
>> >>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
>> You need to be sure that both are from a floor shift car if that is
>> what you have now. other wise you will have to change the shift
>> lever. KB
>

Get the one from the V8. it will work fine. and be stronger too. KB