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On Apr 21, 7:26*pm, "Sharx35" > wrote:
> "cavedweller" > wrote in message > > ... > > > ....exclaimed he, without a single clip. *But anyway, "from whence" is > > incorrect..."whence" already includes the "from". > > Oh? That is open to debate and I quote: > > Q] From Marty Robinson: Last week you quoted Sir Christopher Wren as > referring to 'The Ailes, from whence arise Bows or Flying Buttresses to the > Walls of the Navis.' I'm sorry to learn that Sir Christopher used the > redundancy from whence. > > [A] This is another of those grammatical shibboleths, like avoiding a plural > verb with none or not splitting one's infinitives, that are open to > linguistic debate, to put it mildly. The argument against this form is that > whence already includes the idea of coming from some place, so that > including from makes it tautological. > > The debate is complicated by the fact that whence is not that common a word > these days, being rather literary; I had trouble finding a modern example > that wasn't prefixed by from. This is from Newsday of 11 November 2004: "He > is a legendary figure in his native England, whence I have just returned." > That's a good example of the "proper" use. > > Objectors to from whence have support in logic, but logic doesn't feature > much in English constructions, especially idioms, which is how one perhaps > should regard the phrase these days. One newspaper archive I consulted, > hardly comprehensive, contained more than 250 cases of from whence just in > 2004. It succeeds because it is informal and colloquial compared with whence > used alone, a construction that is unusual enough to force readers to stop > and work out the meaning. > > And even a brief look at historical sources shows that from whence has been > common since the thirteenth century. It has been used by Shakespeare, Defoe > (in the opening of Robinson Crusoe: "He got a good estate by merchandise, > and leaving off his trade, lived afterwards at York; from whence he had > married my mother"), Smollett, Dickens (in A Christmas Carol: "He began to > think that the source and secret of this ghostly light might be in the > adjoining room, from whence, on further tracing it, it seemed to shine"), > Dryden, Gibbon, Twain (in Innocents Abroad: "He traveled all around, till at > last he came to the place from whence he started"), and Trollope, and it > appears 27 times in the King James Bible (including Psalm 121: "I will lift > up mine eyes unto the hills, from whence cometh my help"). > > Though Dr Johnson objected to it in his Dictionary of 1755, calling it "A > vicious mode of speech" (he meant it was reprehensible, not depraved or > savage), most objections to it are no earlier than the twentieth century. > One reason may be that its critics are unaware of its long pedigree. > > World Wide Words is copyright © Michael Quinion, 1996-2009. All rights > reserved. Contact the author if you want to reproduce this piece, but first > see my advice page, which also has notes about linking. Your comments and > corrections are welcome > > ****** > BTW, "troglodyte" is a better alias than "cavedweller". Perhaps, but what would YOU ever do without Google? |
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Nate Nagel wrote: > Grumpy AuContraire wrote: > >> >> >> Nate Nagel wrote: >> >>> Sharx35 wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> "Grumpy AuContraire" > wrote in message >>>> ... >>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Sharx35 wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> "Grumpy AuContraire" > wrote in >>>>>> message >>>>>> ... >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Mike Marlow wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> "Tegger" > wrote in message >>>>>>>> ... >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Just don't ask your question of anybody in the "collector" auto >>>>>>>>> circle. To >>>>>>>>> them, anything under 50 years-old is "modern", and they will >>>>>>>>> sneer at you >>>>>>>>> aggressively for your impertinence. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Antiques and Classics are a whole different story. A 17 year >>>>>>>> old Honda or Toyota is not either one of those. It's just a 17 >>>>>>>> year old car. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> But then there are the 1st and 2nd generation Civics of which two >>>>>>> are notable... >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 1983 Civic 1500 "S" which was the forerunner of the early CRX >>>>>>> >>>>>>> and >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 1982-83 1300 Civic FE which was the forerunner of the early >>>>>>> CRX(s) that got great fuel economy.... 40+ MPG City and 55 MPG >>>>>>> Highway in actual real world tests.. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> JT >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Take your Honda **** to the Honda newsgroup, PLEASE. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Ahhhh, I see you reveal yourself for what you are... Uneducated, >>>>> intolerant and just a general doofus! >>>>> >>>>> Congratulations! >>>>> >>>>> JT >>>>> >>>> >>>> Suck dick, cumwad. I don't go to a Toyota newsgroup to read about >>>> ricer junk aka Honda products. >>>> >>> >>> You do realize that he's probably posting from r.a.m.honda, yes? Or >>> are you really that refreshingly clue-free? >>> >>> nate >> >> >> >> Heh heh... Clue free is rampant these day! >> >> BTW, Howz JP doing??? >> > > Still alive and kicking, and buying Avantis against his better judgement > > I on the other hand have been listening to his advice and passing on all > of them... > > Yep, good time to bury your money in the back yard and keep at least 90 days of supplies on hand... JT |
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80 Knight wrote: > "Grumpy AuContraire" > wrote in message > ... > >> >>SMS wrote: >> >> >>>Grumpy AuContraire wrote: >>> >>> >>>>Well, we're talkin' 25 to 26 years of age here. And, the great thing is >>>>that they are "old school," I.E., no computer, no "check engine" light >>>>and even lack a PCV valve. Just right for an old fart like me to >>>>maintain and repair which really doesn't happen very often. >>>> >>>>Sometimes the latest and greatest ain't really so... >>> >>> >>>Still lots of late 1980's to early 1990's Accords and Camrys on the road, >>>still fetching 2-4K on the used market. You have to chuckle when you see >>>the ads from Ford and GM trying to compare initial purchase prices of new >>>vehicles, i.e. the Malibu, since they are forced to leave longevity out >>>of the equation. It's not just having to purchase 2x the number of >>>vehicles for the same time period, it's the resale value if you do choose >>>to sell after only 8-10 years. >> >> >>My neighbor who likes to fiddle with old (pre 1963) cars occasionally has >>to work on his mother's late 1980ish Oldsmobile with a Quad Four engine. >>Car only has about 80K on the odometer yet it runs like **** and is next >>to impossible to diagnose or repair. Freakin' thing has been laid up for >>months! >> >>Everything is in the way of everything else. Industrial engineering at >>GM??? Not as far as I can see... >> >><sigh> > > > Do you realize how foolish you make yourself look when you compair 2009 > vehicles to 1980's vehicles? > Went right over your li'l haid, eh? JT |
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"cavedweller" > wrote in message ... > On Apr 21, 7:26 pm, "Sharx35" > wrote: >> "cavedweller" > wrote in message >> >> ... > >> >> > ....exclaimed he, without a single clip. But anyway, "from whence" is >> > incorrect..."whence" already includes the "from". >> >> Oh? That is open to debate and I quote: >> >> Q] From Marty Robinson: Last week you quoted Sir Christopher Wren as >> referring to 'The Ailes, from whence arise Bows or Flying Buttresses to >> the >> Walls of the Navis.' I'm sorry to learn that Sir Christopher used the >> redundancy from whence. >> >> [A] This is another of those grammatical shibboleths, like avoiding a >> plural >> verb with none or not splitting one's infinitives, that are open to >> linguistic debate, to put it mildly. The argument against this form is >> that >> whence already includes the idea of coming from some place, so that >> including from makes it tautological. >> >> The debate is complicated by the fact that whence is not that common a >> word >> these days, being rather literary; I had trouble finding a modern example >> that wasn't prefixed by from. This is from Newsday of 11 November 2004: >> "He >> is a legendary figure in his native England, whence I have just >> returned." >> That's a good example of the "proper" use. >> >> Objectors to from whence have support in logic, but logic doesn't feature >> much in English constructions, especially idioms, which is how one >> perhaps >> should regard the phrase these days. One newspaper archive I consulted, >> hardly comprehensive, contained more than 250 cases of from whence just >> in >> 2004. It succeeds because it is informal and colloquial compared with >> whence >> used alone, a construction that is unusual enough to force readers to >> stop >> and work out the meaning. >> >> And even a brief look at historical sources shows that from whence has >> been >> common since the thirteenth century. It has been used by Shakespeare, >> Defoe >> (in the opening of Robinson Crusoe: "He got a good estate by merchandise, >> and leaving off his trade, lived afterwards at York; from whence he had >> married my mother"), Smollett, Dickens (in A Christmas Carol: "He began >> to >> think that the source and secret of this ghostly light might be in the >> adjoining room, from whence, on further tracing it, it seemed to shine"), >> Dryden, Gibbon, Twain (in Innocents Abroad: "He traveled all around, till >> at >> last he came to the place from whence he started"), and Trollope, and it >> appears 27 times in the King James Bible (including Psalm 121: "I will >> lift >> up mine eyes unto the hills, from whence cometh my help"). >> >> Though Dr Johnson objected to it in his Dictionary of 1755, calling it "A >> vicious mode of speech" (he meant it was reprehensible, not depraved or >> savage), most objections to it are no earlier than the twentieth century. >> One reason may be that its critics are unaware of its long pedigree. >> >> World Wide Words is copyright © Michael Quinion, 1996-2009. All rights >> reserved. Contact the author if you want to reproduce this piece, but >> first >> see my advice page, which also has notes about linking. Your comments and >> corrections are welcome >> >> ****** >> BTW, "troglodyte" is a better alias than "cavedweller". > > Perhaps, but what would YOU ever do without Google? Heh, heh. Spend even MORE time on the net, using a lower level of abuse? |
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Sharx35 wrote:
> > "Canuck57" > wrote in message > ... >> >> "Sharx35" > wrote in message >> news:FcwGl.24207$PH1.21389@edtnps82... >>> >>> "Tegger" > wrote in message >>> ... >>>> "Mike Marlow" > wrote in >>>> : >>>> >>>>> >>>>> "Sharx35" > wrote in message >>>>> newsLuGl.22792$Db2.11621@edtnps83... >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Hmmm. My Camry is only ten years old so I won't be in the market for >>>>>> at least another SEVEN years. Hypothetically, though, instead of the >>>>>> 99CE 6 cyl. I have, I might go for a new, closer to the top of the >>>>>> line Camry. To me, Honda is overpriced. >>>>> >>>>> Who would want to driver around in an 17 year old car? >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Me, for instance. My car is 18 years old. Bought it new, too. >>>> >>>> Just don't ask your question of anybody in the "collector" auto >>>> circle. To >>>> them, anything under 50 years-old is "modern", and they will sneer >>>> at you >>>> aggressively for your impertinence. >>> >>> I'd call it something else, like a complete lack of values...no >>> wonder the world is in a recession. >> >> That is why recession/depressions occur, too much fat and leach on the >> hind, causes the economic animal to get sick. Once enough leaches are >> off the hind, the recovery can begin. The more leaches shaken off, >> the better the recovery. Far too many in sociaty BS their way with >> their corrupt values. >> >> Sort of like GMers, it is everyone elses fault but GMs. Delusional >> sickness for sure. >> >> Amazing how many in this recession do not have respect for debt. >> > > Mike seems to wear it as a badge of honour. Frankly, anyone saddled > with years and years of car payments because they INSIST on always > trading in their vehicles is, IMHO, a loser. Or someone who decides how to spend their own money instead of leaving it up to you? |
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Canuck57 wrote:
<snip> > I tried retirement at 51 for 3 months, it sucked, I was bored. Decided to > go back to work, new job has low hours, lots of time off. Just wish we > could do the 4 day work week every week.... maybe my next job. But taking > every Friday off in the summer. I made sure of that before I started. And > maybe do Costa Rica in December. Now you're talking! |
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"Tony Harding" > wrote in message ... > Sharx35 wrote: >> >> "Canuck57" > wrote in message >> ... >>> >>> "Sharx35" > wrote in message >>> news:FcwGl.24207$PH1.21389@edtnps82... >>>> >>>> "Tegger" > wrote in message >>>> ... >>>>> "Mike Marlow" > wrote in >>>>> : >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> "Sharx35" > wrote in message >>>>>> newsLuGl.22792$Db2.11621@edtnps83... >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Hmmm. My Camry is only ten years old so I won't be in the market for >>>>>>> at least another SEVEN years. Hypothetically, though, instead of the >>>>>>> 99CE 6 cyl. I have, I might go for a new, closer to the top of the >>>>>>> line Camry. To me, Honda is overpriced. >>>>>> >>>>>> Who would want to driver around in an 17 year old car? >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Me, for instance. My car is 18 years old. Bought it new, too. >>>>> >>>>> Just don't ask your question of anybody in the "collector" auto >>>>> circle. To >>>>> them, anything under 50 years-old is "modern", and they will sneer at >>>>> you >>>>> aggressively for your impertinence. >>>> >>>> I'd call it something else, like a complete lack of values...no wonder >>>> the world is in a recession. >>> >>> That is why recession/depressions occur, too much fat and leach on the >>> hind, causes the economic animal to get sick. Once enough leaches are >>> off the hind, the recovery can begin. The more leaches shaken off, the >>> better the recovery. Far too many in sociaty BS their way with their >>> corrupt values. >>> >>> Sort of like GMers, it is everyone elses fault but GMs. Delusional >>> sickness for sure. >>> >>> Amazing how many in this recession do not have respect for debt. >>> >> >> Mike seems to wear it as a badge of honour. Frankly, anyone saddled with >> years and years of car payments because they INSIST on always trading in >> their vehicles is, IMHO, a loser. > > Or someone who decides how to spend their own money instead of leaving it > up to you? ANYone is free to be a complete fool and waste their money--look at all the idiots in the U.S. who ****ed themselves financially by not practicing sane financial practices. Betcha you were one of them. |
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"Tony Harding" > wrote in message ... > Canuck57 wrote: > > <snip> > >> I tried retirement at 51 for 3 months, it sucked, I was bored. Decided >> to go back to work, new job has low hours, lots of time off. Just wish >> we could do the 4 day work week every week.... maybe my next job. But >> taking every Friday off in the summer. I made sure of that before I >> started. And maybe do Costa Rica in December. > > Now you're talking! People constantly trading in their vehicle will end up never been able to retire. |
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Sharx35 wrote:
> > "Tony Harding" > wrote in message > ... >> Canuck57 wrote: >> >> <snip> >> >>> I tried retirement at 51 for 3 months, it sucked, I was bored. >>> Decided to go back to work, new job has low hours, lots of time off. >>> Just wish we could do the 4 day work week every week.... maybe my >>> next job. But taking every Friday off in the summer. I made sure of >>> that before I started. And maybe do Costa Rica in December. >> >> Now you're talking! > > People constantly trading in their vehicle will end up never been able > to retire. Agreed! I've been retired 7 years now (lived in NYC 12 years while I was working and didn't even own a car then - it was the first time I ever felt as though I was making a lot of money) and highly recommend it. I was cheering the Costa Rica part of your post - definitely on my short list of places to visit before I join the choir invisible. |
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Sharx35 wrote:
<snip> > GM should have been fed to the sharks. It's not too late, or maybe the sharks don't want it? |
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