Raged motorist strikes two cyclists

Bill Sornson wrote:
> Bill Shatzer wrote:
>> Tom "Johnny Sunset" Sherman wrote:
>>
>>> Paul Berg wrote:
>>>
>>>> ...
>>>> The cyclists, 25-year-old Ben Ramsdell and 41-year-old Timothy
>>>> Mastne, were taken to OHSU. Their injuries were not
>>>> life-threatening. Neither cyclist was wearing a helmet.
>>> Why is h*lm*t non-use always reported, when a foam bicycle hat
>>> provides little more than bump and scrape protection?
>>
>> They seem effective in reducing serious head injuries by up to 85%.
>>
>> http://tinyurl.com/yqk6xl\
>
> Who ya gonna trust? The New England Journal of Medicine or Frankie K. 'n
> Johnny Sunset?!? LOL...

What about Dorothy Robinson?
<http://www.chapmancentral.co.uk/wiki/Thompson,_Rivara_and_Thompson_(1989)>

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On Aug 18, 11:18 am, Bill Shatzer > wrote:
> Tom "Johnny Sunset" Sherman wrote:
>
> > Paul Berg wrote:
>
> >> ...
> >> The cyclists, 25-year-old Ben Ramsdell and 41-year-old Timothy Mastne,
> >> were taken to OHSU. Their injuries were not life-threatening.
> >> Neither cyclist was wearing a helmet.
> > Why is h*lm*t non-use always reported, when a foam bicycle hat provides
> > little more than bump and scrape protection?
>
> They seem effective in reducing serious head injuries by up to 85%.

Which is why some states and provinces, like British Columbia,
consider helmets a mandatory item for all cyclists regardless of age.

On Aug 18, 11:26 am, "Bjorn Berg f/Fergie Berg and All the Ships at S"
> wrote:
> Who the hell was stupid and kicked his truck and WHY?

The driver of the truck, and probably because they were crowding the
cyclist.

> Somebody apparently did something stupid to cause something a lot more
> stupid. That was jackass and entirely preventable.

It's not like cyclists have effective horns to warn drifting drivers.
The motorist was entirely a jackass. I don't see what the problem is.

"Paul Berg" > wrote in message
...
> ~
>
> News report from KGW TV (Portland, Oregon) - August 17, 2007
>
> Portland police arrested a driver Friday afternoon after a bizarre chase
> in which two cyclists were hit by a car in Southeast Portland.
>
> It all started around 12:30 PM on 1000 block of Southeast Clinton
> Street. Police said 46-year-old John Eschweiler was driving along when
> he reported a cyclist kicked his car. Officers said Eschweiler sped up
> and hit the cyclist, who rolled onto the hood of the car, smashing the
> windshield.
>
> The car continued on about 75 feet, sideswiping a car and hitting a
> truck before turning a corner where another cyclist heading towards the
> car was then hit, investigators said.
>
> Police arrested Eschweiler and charged him with two counts of attempted
> assault.
>
> The cyclists, 25-year-old Ben Ramsdell and 41-year-old Timothy Mastne,
> were taken to OHSU. Their injuries were not life-threatening.
>
> Neither cyclist was wearing a helmet.

I seriously doubt that a road cyclist kicked his car. Maybe hit with a
hand. What would be the reason? Let's see the scuff.

Paul Johnson wrote:
> ...
> It's not like cyclists have effective horns to warn drifting drivers....

Some of us do: <http://www.deltacycle.com/product.php?g=1>.

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Paul Johnson wrote:
> On Aug 18, 11:18 am, Bill Shatzer > wrote:
>> Tom "Johnny Sunset" Sherman wrote:
>>
>>> Paul Berg wrote:
>>>> ...
>>>> The cyclists, 25-year-old Ben Ramsdell and 41-year-old Timothy Mastne,
>>>> were taken to OHSU. Their injuries were not life-threatening.
>>>> Neither cyclist was wearing a helmet.
>>> Why is h*lm*t non-use always reported, when a foam bicycle hat provides
>>> little more than bump and scrape protection?
>> They seem effective in reducing serious head injuries by up to 85%.
>
> Which is why some states and provinces, like British Columbia,
> consider helmets a mandatory item for all cyclists regardless of age.

Because they have been fooled by faulty studies and conned by those who
have a financial interest in selling Foam Bicycle Hats?

Promoting mandatory helmet laws (MHLs) is ANTI-CYCLIST.

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Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia

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~

Lesson to Learn:

If you're on a bicycle, don't kick a car driven by a person as equally
crazy as yourself.

~

On Aug 18, 3:42 pm, "Tom \"Johnny Sunset\" Sherman"
> wrote:

>
> Because they have been fooled by faulty studies and conned by those who
> have a financial interest in selling Foam Bicycle Hats?
>
> Promoting mandatory helmet laws (MHLs) is ANTI-CYCLIST.
>

And getting rid of mandatory helmet laws will promote more organ
donation. Toss in the Darwinian aspect and you've got: Win-win!


Bo Raxo

In article >,
(Paul Berg) wrote:

> Multnomah County court records show Eschweiler has two traffic tickets,
> for failing to obey a traffic-control device in 2000 and speeding in
> 2005. He paid fines and fees of $135 and $141, respectively.

WTF??? $141 for speeding??? I remember in 1991, I had a 1977 honda
civic, those little toy cars. Given that my car was really old and so
small, the steering wasnt so greet. I had gotten off a 8 hour job at
the waterfront in a kiosk taking tickets and money (I was like 18),
driving home on the 101 in the slow lane at about 62 in a 55 zone.
People were passing me in both the middle and fast lane. I was pulled
over by a cop, and the first thing he asked me was if I had been
drinking. I said no I just got off a 8 hour shift. He gave me a
speeding ticket for 65 (I was trying to keep it between 60 and 65,
mostly I was going 62, 63, and like I said I was in the slow lane of 3
lanes on the 101 and people were going MUCH FASTER in the faster 2 lanes.

At the most I had 1 ticket before that. My ticket was over $200. The
only reason the cop stopped me was that I was in a old civic that
wobbled and he wanted to check me for dui. He should of just let me go
since I was going with the flow of traffic in the SLOW lane of 3 lanes.

In article > ,
"Mike Kruger" > wrote:

> Michael Warner wrote:
> > On Sat, 18 Aug 2007 07:00:28 -0700, Paul Berg wrote:
> >
> >>> Police arrested Eschweiler and charged him with two counts of
> >>> attempted assault.
> >
> > /Attempted/ assault? Sounds like he succeeded.
>
> Succeeded all too well. Shouldn't "battery" be in there somewhere, too?

More like assault with a deadly weapon at the minimum and attempted
murder and the max. I saw a African American punch a female (all
college aged). I confronted him and told him that was not cool. His
friends came up from behind me and jumped me, besides punching me (just
had a fat lip) they hit me over the head with a beer bottle (didnt even
hurt the next day). I went straight home after ID'ing the perp's, who
the cops told me had been arrested for gang activity. The guy who hit
me over the head with the beer bottle got misdemeanor assault with a
deadly weapon (only did 2 weeks in county, but got a restraining order
and probation for 3 years).

Getting hit over the head with the bottle did less damage then the punch
to the mouth, yet he got "assault with a deadly weapon".