Hybrid Lovers Read This and Lament

On Tue, 13 Dec 2005 03:19:46 GMT, "Oscar_Lives" >
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>"Brian" > wrote in message
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>>> Nuclear plants will be built to generate electricity
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>What are you going to do with all that nuclear waste?
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You don't think we could re-enrich it and send it to be stored where
we get all of our oil from at the moment? We've got lots of unused
ICBM's sitting around ;-) Kidding of course ;-)

BTW How much waste is generated by fusion reactors? can't be too much.

I believe that there's more radioactive medical waste generated than
power plant radioactive waste. (but I could be wrong) No one is
saying that we should quit treating people to reduce pollution are
they?

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> ...Lets say ordinary petrol/diesel cars have a lifespan of 10 years with
> all their moving parts
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> The fuel cell cars have a lot less moving parts and theoretically they
> could last for decades

Theoretically, yes, but you don't understand modern business, which is
good at taking things that have an inherent nature of lasting a lifetime
and thinning things down, using less critical materials, etc. to last
only as long as is economically optimum for themselves. All it takes is
a little research for them to find out which part(s) or component(s)
they can exactly control to make it fail at the prescribed time to end
up having a break-even of about what it is with competing technologies.

But you're right - it will probably happen. Just like with other
things, a lot will be promised in the beginning with a lot of genuine
technical potential, but the results will be engineered and politicized
and environmentallized to the point that it's no better than anything else.

Bill Putney
(To reply by e-mail, replace the last letter of the alphabet in my
address with the letter 'x')

The question is how new this technology is really
There were electrical cars before combustion engine cars cam along
Also these hybrid cars have been decades in development stage
Lots of the companies have been trying to overcome probelms with pure
electrical cars
Always failing because of refueling problems, battery sizes and weight
With a fuel cell and electrical car hybrid most problems are gone
With oil and electrical hybrids as a medium term solution
Toyota seems to be way ahead of the pack, Honda a good second with the
rest scrambling to catch up
Problem for most of the big companies is they have to get rid of old
technologies, old plants, old workers, old bad image before they can
start really down the road of the future with these new technologies
They have for obvious reasons been dragging their feet of going in for
these changes but they seem to have realized that if they do not do it
then they will be stuck with all those old problems and nothing to
replace it once the closures are a fact

So now we have started to see plants being closed down and plans for
more closures

Question is where will the new plants be built, by whom and how fast
will these changes take place

Who will live to make the change

Pretty exciting times ahead for us customers

> wrote
> There are two types of Nuclear energy
> One of them has no waste

If you're talking fusion, you're completely wrong that it has no waste.

FloydR

> The other has a lot less waste than oil

fusion has only helium and energy as results
What you may be thinking of are some experiments have needed fission as
a starter
then you may get some waste from the starter
Other methods of starters give no waste
Fusion contained in a magnetic fields and started by electricity is the
future of nuclear
Until then fission is a good alternative and has a proven very good
record
Nuclear will rise again

Nuclear waste will be confined to the Yucca mountain site, as soon as the
'politics' of doing so is settled. That is a far more secure place of
storing it then under six feet of water in the power plants as is the case
now.


mike hunt


"joe schmoe" > wrote in message
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> On Tue, 13 Dec 2005 03:19:46 GMT, "Oscar_Lives" >
> wrote:
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>>"Brian" > wrote in message
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>>>> Nuclear plants will be built to generate electricity
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>>What are you going to do with all that nuclear waste?
>>
> You don't think we could re-enrich it and send it to be stored where
> we get all of our oil from at the moment? We've got lots of unused
> ICBM's sitting around ;-) Kidding of course ;-)
>
> BTW How much waste is generated by fusion reactors? can't be too much.
>
> I believe that there's more radioactive medical waste generated than
> power plant radioactive waste. (but I could be wrong) No one is
> saying that we should quit treating people to reduce pollution are
> they?

> wrote
> fusion has only helium and energy as results
> What you may be thinking of are some experiments have needed fission as
> a starter
> then you may get some waste from the starter
> Other methods of starters give no waste

No. You are ignoring the facts of real engineering, as opposed to
an ideal thought experiment - which can never be realized in the
physical world. All current experiments in fusion have resulted
in radioactive waste - google TFTR, or google fusion waste if you
want examples.

All fusion reactors will, unavoidably, produce radioactive waste,
mostly due to the interaction of the neutron flux produced as it
impacts the vessel walls or coolant.

FloydR

The fission solution is available, safe, competitive, reliable,
operational. The problem of high
activity waste disposal is, objectively, a minor problem, changed into
a severe social
problem by mass medias. The nuclear waste problem is tiny compared to
the gigantic one
generated by billions tons of CO2, SO2, NOX sent every year in our
atmosphere from
fossils fuels.

Fusion is without waste

> wrote
> The fission solution is available, safe, competitive, reliable,
> operational. The problem of high
> activity waste disposal is, objectively, a minor problem, changed into
> a severe social
> problem by mass medias. The nuclear waste problem is tiny compared to
> the gigantic one
> generated by billions tons of CO2, SO2, NOX sent every year in our
> atmosphere from
> fossils fuels.
>
> Fusion is without waste

sigh.

On Tue, 13 Dec 2005 03:19:46 GMT, "Oscar_Lives" >
wrote:

>>> Nuclear plants will be built to generate electricity
>
>What are you going to do with all that nuclear waste?

Bury it underground with all the nuclear waste the earth produced on
its own.

Launch it into space and send it into the sun, all the while laughing
at the environmentalist idiots who file lawsuits claiming that adding
..000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 0000000000000000000001%
of nuclear fuel to the sun's mass is an environmental disaster.

Put it down michael jackson's pants.

Ship it to france, tell them it is from SH.

Allow the muslims in the world to experience first hand what a nuclear
bomb does.

I am sure we can come up with more if we try.