Hmmmm?

Dunno, but

"If it weren't for electricity we'd all be watching television by
candlelight."

;-
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"Dave Plowman (News)" > wrote in message
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"pete" > wrote in message
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> I had a BMW 320i 6 cylinder for about two weeks and took it back and
> traded it for a V8 E39. Neither car is anywhere near as nimble as my
> Polo around town or country lanes but the V8 is just so superior in
> every way and has changed my driving habits for the better too.

Take note though: The E39 with the 3 liter engine was a better car. Almost
everything about the driving experience, save straight line acceleration,
was better. It out-slalomed the V8 model in most magazines tests as well (if
you compare Sport to Sport and standard to standard suspensions), being that
much a better weighted car with R&P steering.

My 1st E39 was a 530, my 2nd a 540 and I always wished I had stayed with the
530 for sheer driving pleasure. The 530 was/is an astoundingly great
automobile.

Fred - have you ever heard of the 2-series?
It is coming ot North America soon and will solve this apparent 'problem'
you've noticed...


>I actually agree with both of you! I think BMW makes the best engines in
>each category. My original point was that in the US market, they have
>backed themselves out of the mainstream markets by only importing the higher
>performance engines. I would like to see them offer the fours again (and
>diesels) as well as have some models avail;able with scaled down options.
>
>My thought is that the choice between a "stripper" BMW 318i and a "loaded"
>Honda Accord or Toyota Camry might be worth having. I know that given the
>choice, personally I would go with the 318i and forgo the
>heated-power-leather seats, power remote door locking, sunroof, and fancy
>stereo for the solid handling of the BMW. But I suppose that you could say
>I'm predisposed to bimmers and other consumers might not find the choice so
>tough?
>
>Having mainstream market cars might help erode some of the "snob appeal"
>that seems to infect the BMW brand image now. But perhaps that is
>intentional...
>
>-Fred W
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"Frank Kemper" > wrote in message
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> I drive an inline6, and I have tried BMW 4-bangers. Believe me: they are
> not the right stuff.

What about the 2002? Or that 1.4l 4cyl race car engine BMW had that bumped
out a minimum of 1200hp (it maxed out the dyno)?
Richard

"marlinspike" > haute in die Tasten:

> What about the 2002? Or that 1.4l 4cyl race car engine BMW had that
> bumped out a minimum of 1200hp (it maxed out the dyno)?
> Richard
>

The 2002 for sure was a nice car. But it was not available with a six
cylinder engine, so there was no choice. And the turbocharged formula one
engine you are referring to was never for sale for US customers;-)

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On Tue, 26 Oct 2004 13:40:11 -0400, "Fred W." <Fred.Wills@'remove this
to reply to' myrealbox.com> wrote:

>"Frank Kemper" > wrote in message
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>> "DP" > haute in die Tasten:
>>
>>> http://www.bmw.com/3seriessedan/
>>
>> My personal opinion? Looks better than the E46. But let's wait unil I have
>> seen one in
>> real.
>
>I agree. This is the best looking design that has come from BMW in quite
>some time now. The iDrive is optional (as it should be). The only question
>is, can the active steering and run-flat tires be deleted as well?

I agree with everything above. No spare? What about the 6 months
that we're running Winter tires?

>Personally, I think that BMWNA would do well to bring the 4 cyl and diesel
>to the US,

This I do not agree with. Every cheap Korean cars have 6-cylinders,
now. I'm never going back to a shaky, flatulent, 4-banger, that's for
sure...

>though past history suggests we will just get the two 6 cyl
>engines.

In article >,
dizzy > wrote:
> I'm never going back to a shaky, flatulent, 4-banger, that's for
> sure...

But the BMW fours are smoother than some sixes. They have balance shafts.

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Fred W. wrote:

> "Frank Kemper" > wrote in message
> ...
>
>>"DP" > haute in die Tasten:
>>
>>
>>>http://www.bmw.com/3seriessedan/
>>
>>My personal opinion? Looks better than the E46. But let's wait unil I have
>>seen one in
>>real.
>
>
> I agree. This is the best looking design that has come from BMW in quite
> some time now. The iDrive is optional (as it should be). The only question
> is, can the active steering and run-flat tires be deleted as well?
>
> Personally, I think that BMWNA would do well to bring the 4 cyl and diesel
> to the US, though past history suggests we will just get the two 6 cyl
> engines.
>
> -Fred W
>

At least iDrive isn't mandatory. But still, I miss the older BMW
styling. Something about a 2002 or 3.0 that hasn't been captured since.

nate


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Nate Nagel > haute in die Tasten:

> At least iDrive isn't mandatory.

For those who are eager to know: BMW will bring the E90 with two different types of
dashboard: If you want a Navi system, you have to buy the dashboard version with a big
LCD screen in the middle and with I-Drive (looks similar to the E60), if you do not
want a Navi, then you can get a somewhat more conservative dashboard without this LCD
screen. Currently I do not know if there is also a version with I-Drive and LCD screen,
but without Navi - and I do not know if these informations are valid for countries
other than Germany. According to the info I read, there will be a new 2.5 straight six
with around 230 HP and a newly designed valvetronic 3 litre straight six with more than
270 HP. They did not mention any V8 engine planned for the E90, and estate and
convertible versions are scheduled for 2007. Although the E90 gets bigger than the E46
(additional room for the rear passengers), it is said that the weight will stay
basically the same. And BMW designed the E90 in that way that they can assemble it on
the same assembly line as the new 1' series.

Those of you who definitely want a BMW E90 with V8 engine, should wait one year or two
and ask Alpina for one. They have fitted BMW 3's for years with V8 engines, so I think
they will continue with the E90. The link: www.alpina.de

Frank

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Frank Kemper schrieb:

>
> Those of you who definitely want a BMW E90 with V8 engine, should wait one year or two
> and ask Alpina for one. They have fitted BMW 3's for years with V8 engines, so I think
> they will continue with the E90. The link: www.alpina.de
>

But they stopped it 1998. There was no E46 with V8.

andre