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GTR and Starforce
Oh, one other thing. A guy I talked to recently tried to hack the
starforce system just to see if he could do it in a short amount of time (he couldn't). He reported that after tampering with it his CD burner was locked up and he had other similar problems. Serves him right, really, and he fixed it up eventually. I'm wondering how many of the folks that have reported similar "problems" with Starforce were up to no good :-) |
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GTR and Starforce
"RodP" > wrote in message .au... > In article >, > Engineer says... > >> Is Starforce a bad deal? > > Had no dramas with starforce, apparently there's a challenge issued by > the creators to prove any of the faults that users have complained about > for a cash prize. And THEIR FUD was successful by your reply. It's working. Their so called contest, if you read the rules, is a farce. Their "prize" is ONLY if you can prove a HARDWARE failure. No reward if your OS gets baked because of a SOFTWARE incompatibility with STARFORCE. |
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GTR and Starforce
I'd say you hit the nail on the head Todd One time where honesty does
pay. Mitch "Todd Wasson" > wrote in message oups.com... > Oh, one other thing. A guy I talked to recently tried to hack the > starforce system just to see if he could do it in a short amount of > time (he couldn't). He reported that after tampering with it his CD > burner was locked up and he had other similar problems. Serves him > right, really, and he fixed it up eventually. I'm wondering how many > of the folks that have reported similar "problems" with Starforce were > up to no good :-) > |
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GTR and Starforce
2005-12-28, Yippee38 wrote:
> > That's my problem with Starforce. I am honest. I don't pirate. I > don't like that the developers treat me like a pirate. I do not want to > encourage them to continue to put that crap in their games. Therefore, > I will not buy any game/sim that has Starforce, no matter how badly I > want that game. I passed on GTR and Silent Hunter III because they > employ Starforce. I passed on GTL. And I'm not buying Sony stuff anymore. But I'm afraid noone cares, and in the end I'll not be able to buy anything anymore :-/ But the rFactor PCC mod is so much fun, who cares about GTL :-) -peter |
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GTR and Starforce
Peter > writes:
> 2005-12-28, Yippee38 wrote: > > > > That's my problem with Starforce. I am honest. I don't pirate. I > > don't like that the developers treat me like a pirate. I do not want to > > encourage them to continue to put that crap in their games. Therefore, > > I will not buy any game/sim that has Starforce, no matter how badly I > > want that game. I passed on GTR and Silent Hunter III because they > > employ Starforce. > > I passed on GTL. And I'm not buying Sony stuff anymore. But I'm afraid > noone cares, and in the end I'll not be able to buy anything anymore :-/ Heck, nothing stops you from enjoying GPL! I'm glad to hear somebody cares enought to send a message. > But the rFactor PCC mod is so much fun, who cares about GTL :-) No more talk about rFactor, please! I can't afford it... /andreas -- A: Because it fouls the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? A: Top-posting. Q: What is the most annoying thing on usenet and in e-mail? |
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GTR and Starforce
Another problem...
What if the company goes out of business and there's no longer an activation server. You now have a coaster instead of a CD/Game. It's already happened once... That's what scares me the most with "Product Activated" or "DRM" controlled software. In one instant, millions of people can be left with useless software/music. And don't think the CEO of any such company will give one rats ass about you if it happens. -Larry "Yippee38" > wrote in message ... > In article >, > says... >> I'd say you hit the nail on the head Todd One time where honesty does >> pay. >> >> Mitch >> > That's my problem with Starforce. I am honest. I don't pirate. I > don't like that the developers treat me like a pirate. I do not want to > encourage them to continue to put that crap in their games. Therefore, > I will not buy any game/sim that has Starforce, no matter how badly I > want that game. I passed on GTR and Silent Hunter III because they > employ Starforce. > > Voting with my dollars. > > -- > Yippee38 |
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GTR and Starforce
Yippee38 wrote: > In article >, > says... > > I'd say you hit the nail on the head Todd One time where honesty does > > pay. > > > > Mitch > > > That's my problem with Starforce. I am honest. I don't pirate. I > don't like that the developers treat me like a pirate. I do not want to > encourage them to continue to put that crap in their games. Therefore, > I will not buy any game/sim that has Starforce, no matter how badly I > want that game. I passed on GTR and Silent Hunter III because they > employ Starforce. > > Voting with my dollars. > > -- > Yippee38 That's understandable and certainly your right to do so and really is the best way to go about it. Personally, I wouldn't take issue with Starforce in particular (unless it goofs up your system of course when you weren't doing anything wrong, then that's a problem.) The fact of the matter is devs really do need to use copy protection if they expect to make any money at all. I'm one of the developers of Virtual RC Racing, an RC car sim download where the game with two tracks is totally free. After that we primarily sell tracks as add ons. Naturally we have a copy protection system there so people can't share the tracks, but one of the things we started out doing was allowing I think three different installations so if people had a laptop and a desktop or they got a new computer it wouldn't be such a hassle for them to get going again. The amount of abuse was unbelievable, according to the boss who put that policy in place in an effort to make things nice and easy for the users. He reported that the numbers of people who were attempting to activate the same tracks on one account hit seven to ten or more times within days of the account activation was very frequent indeed, which is obviously due to people trying to share accounts. Because of that in V2 he sadly had to go down to allowing only one installation. Of course, that upsets people, but the amount of sales lost is quite significant according to him. I haven't seen sales records in awhile so can't really verify it personally. If it isn't Starforce, it's going to be something else. You'll most likely wind up boycotting yourself right out of sim racing entirely rather than having any significant impact. The boss' view from looking at the sales numbers before and after the changes is that we lose a ton more sales by having the less restrictive protection we had before due to account sharing/piracy than we do with the current system where you only are allowed one installation, which means file sharing is quite common indeed. And in the end, he's got a lot of money invested in this he needs to recover so that's unfortunately got to be the bottom line... Unfortunately that means the honest guys like you suffer and are inconvenienced quite a lot. I see it in our forums and it bothers me, but we can't do it both ways :-( |
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GTR and Starforce
Downloaded games are a whole 'nother animal. I think that if people
download a game, they somehow think it is freeware (or shareware) and they should be able to install it on as many PCs as they'd like. I have no problem with copy protection that requires a CD key, or requires the CD to be in the drive (as I usually download the no-cd cracks). However, I really don't think any copy-protection is really going to stop people from pirating it. The real pirates (the ones in Russia and China who are burning copies and selling them) aren't going to be stopped by most copy protection schemes. Starforce though is intrusive, and that's my problem with it. They can use all the copy protection in the world, as long as it doesn't install software on my machine. -- Yippee38 |
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> And THEIR FUD was successful by your reply. It's working.
> > Their so called contest, if you read the rules, is a farce. > Their "prize" is ONLY if you can prove a HARDWARE failure. > No reward if your OS gets baked because of a SOFTWARE incompatibility with > STARFORCE. Has that happened to you? I don't know anyone who's had their Windows damaged by Starforce. Starforce cleaner removes it 100% anyway so it can't do any harm. If anything, it's the pirates who are spreading FUD about Starforce because they really don't like it (even though it's still relatively easy to bypass) The bottom line is that you're either a communist if you hate copy protection or you're a capitalist if you realise it's a necessary incovenience. ;-) |
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