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Old July 4th 07, 09:16 PM posted to alt.autos.bmw
noobiedoobie
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Default Electronic Fuel Injection M30

I have a '91 535i. Does my car have a "Motronic" computer controlled
fuel injection system? Basically, what I want to do is make my air/
fuel mixture leaner (more air and less fuel) and keep it that way.
How would I accomplish this earth-shattering feat? If I disconnected
the Oxygen sensor, what would happen? Is there some screw on the
AirFlow Meter that I could adjust?

HELP! Help me save the world from the oil barons and energy cartel.
I have completed my hydrogen-on-demand system and it is currently
running in my vehicle. The hydrogen is "boosting" the gasoline by
getting a better burn of less fuel, thereby saving gas, money,
emissions, and....the world! The car is running off of water and gas
at around a 50/50 ratio (not yet verified with hard data).

HELP!

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Old July 4th 07, 10:40 PM posted to alt.autos.bmw
Jack[_7_]
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Default Electronic Fuel Injection M30

Your mixture will be richer if you disconnect the oxygen sensor.


"noobiedoobie" > wrote in message
oups.com...
>I have a '91 535i. Does my car have a "Motronic" computer controlled
> fuel injection system? Basically, what I want to do is make my air/
> fuel mixture leaner (more air and less fuel) and keep it that way.
> How would I accomplish this earth-shattering feat? If I disconnected
> the Oxygen sensor, what would happen? Is there some screw on the
> AirFlow Meter that I could adjust?
>
> HELP! Help me save the world from the oil barons and energy cartel.
> I have completed my hydrogen-on-demand system and it is currently
> running in my vehicle. The hydrogen is "boosting" the gasoline by
> getting a better burn of less fuel, thereby saving gas, money,
> emissions, and....the world! The car is running off of water and gas
> at around a 50/50 ratio (not yet verified with hard data).
>
> HELP!
>



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Old July 4th 07, 11:08 PM posted to alt.autos.bmw
Jim[_1_]
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Default Electronic Fuel Injection M30


"noobiedoobie" > wrote in message
oups.com...
>I have a '91 535i. Does my car have a "Motronic" computer controlled
> fuel injection system? Basically, what I want to do is make my air/
> fuel mixture leaner (more air and less fuel) and keep it that way.
> How would I accomplish this earth-shattering feat? If I disconnected
> the Oxygen sensor, what would happen? Is there some screw on the
> AirFlow Meter that I could adjust?
>
> HELP! Help me save the world from the oil barons and energy cartel.
> I have completed my hydrogen-on-demand system and it is currently
> running in my vehicle. The hydrogen is "boosting" the gasoline by
> getting a better burn of less fuel, thereby saving gas, money,
> emissions, and....the world! The car is running off of water and gas
> at around a 50/50 ratio (not yet verified with hard data).
>
> HELP!
>

Interesting post. Even if I could buy a hydrogen powered vehicle, it would
do me no good. California has the only refill places, and these are 2000
miles away.

Jim


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Old July 4th 07, 11:40 PM posted to alt.autos.bmw
Dave Plowman (News)
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Default Electronic Fuel Injection M30

In article .com>,
noobiedoobie > wrote:
> I have a '91 535i. Does my car have a "Motronic" computer controlled
> fuel injection system? Basically, what I want to do is make my air/
> fuel mixture leaner (more air and less fuel) and keep it that way.
> How would I accomplish this earth-shattering feat? If I disconnected
> the Oxygen sensor, what would happen? Is there some screw on the
> AirFlow Meter that I could adjust?


One of the easiest ways to alter mixture across the board is by reducing
the fuel pressure. However, when running in close loop mode, the system
will try and compensate.

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Old July 5th 07, 01:33 AM posted to alt.autos.bmw
Fred W
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Default Electronic Fuel Injection M30

noobiedoobie wrote:
> I have a '91 535i. Does my car have a "Motronic" computer controlled
> fuel injection system? Basically, what I want to do is make my air/
> fuel mixture leaner (more air and less fuel) and keep it that way.
> How would I accomplish this earth-shattering feat? If I disconnected
> the Oxygen sensor, what would happen? Is there some screw on the
> AirFlow Meter that I could adjust?
>
> HELP! Help me save the world from the oil barons and energy cartel.
> I have completed my hydrogen-on-demand system and it is currently
> running in my vehicle. The hydrogen is "boosting" the gasoline by
> getting a better burn of less fuel, thereby saving gas, money,
> emissions, and....the world! The car is running off of water and gas
> at around a 50/50 ratio (not yet verified with hard data).
>
> HELP!
>


The only way for you to lean out the engine mixture will be to fool the
engine's fuel injection program into thinking that it is running richer
than it actually is. You could probably devise a circuit of some sort
to put in line with the O2 sensor feedback signal to do this. Or you
could just remap the fuel injection table in the ECU eprom.

I know there are aftermarket fuel injection computers that are used for
this sort of thing for motorcycles. Google on "Power Commander"
However, the goal in that application is generally to increase the fuel
charge in order to improve power and driveability.

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-Fred W
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Old July 5th 07, 09:07 AM posted to alt.autos.bmw
Dave Plowman (News)
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Default Electronic Fuel Injection M30

In article >,
Fred W > wrote:
> I know there are aftermarket fuel injection computers that are used for
> this sort of thing for motorcycles. Google on "Power Commander"
> However, the goal in that application is generally to increase the fuel
> charge in order to improve power and driveability.


Generally (if you ignore the action of the lambda sensor) it's easier to
increase the fuelling by fooling the ECU into thinking the engine is still
cold. IIRC, the coolant sensor starts high resistance at low temperature
and goes lower as it warms up, so merely adding a series resistor has the
effect of increasing fuelling. Hence the jokes about some of these 'power
devices' costing pounds for a penny resistor.

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Old July 5th 07, 05:44 PM posted to alt.autos.bmw
Fred W
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Default Electronic Fuel Injection M30

Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
> In article >,
> Fred W > wrote:
>
>>I know there are aftermarket fuel injection computers that are used for
>>this sort of thing for motorcycles. Google on "Power Commander"
>>However, the goal in that application is generally to increase the fuel
>>charge in order to improve power and driveability.

>
>
> Generally (if you ignore the action of the lambda sensor) it's easier to
> increase the fuelling by fooling the ECU into thinking the engine is still
> cold. IIRC, the coolant sensor starts high resistance at low temperature
> and goes lower as it warms up, so merely adding a series resistor has the
> effect of increasing fuelling. Hence the jokes about some of these 'power
> devices' costing pounds for a penny resistor.
>


That's not what I'm talking about Dave. A power commander actually has
its own lookup table of throttle opening vs. rpm so you can program
exactly how much of an increase or decrease in dwell you get on the
injectors. It's pretty slick, but to tweak it in 100% requires the use
of a dyno and exhaust gas analyzer.

--
-Fred W
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Old July 5th 07, 07:19 PM posted to alt.autos.bmw
Ali[_2_]
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Default Electronic Fuel Injection M30

If you want to help save the world, then why are you driving around in a '91
535?


"noobiedoobie" > wrote in message
oups.com...
>I have a '91 535i. Does my car have a "Motronic" computer controlled
> fuel injection system? Basically, what I want to do is make my air/
> fuel mixture leaner (more air and less fuel) and keep it that way.
> How would I accomplish this earth-shattering feat? If I disconnected
> the Oxygen sensor, what would happen? Is there some screw on the
> AirFlow Meter that I could adjust?
>
> HELP! Help me save the world from the oil barons and energy cartel.
> I have completed my hydrogen-on-demand system and it is currently
> running in my vehicle. The hydrogen is "boosting" the gasoline by
> getting a better burn of less fuel, thereby saving gas, money,
> emissions, and....the world! The car is running off of water and gas
> at around a 50/50 ratio (not yet verified with hard data).
>
> HELP!
>


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Old July 5th 07, 09:50 PM posted to alt.autos.bmw
David Matkin
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Default Electronic Fuel Injection M30

noobiedoobie wrote:
> I have a '91 535i. Does my car have a "Motronic" computer controlled
> fuel injection system? Basically, what I want to do is make my air/
> fuel mixture leaner (more air and less fuel) and keep it that way.
> How would I accomplish this earth-shattering feat? If I disconnected
> the Oxygen sensor, what would happen? Is there some screw on the
> AirFlow Meter that I could adjust?
>
> HELP! Help me save the world from the oil barons and energy cartel.
> I have completed my hydrogen-on-demand system and it is currently
> running in my vehicle. The hydrogen is "boosting" the gasoline by
> getting a better burn of less fuel, thereby saving gas, money,
> emissions, and....the world! The car is running off of water and gas
> at around a 50/50 ratio (not yet verified with hard data).
>
> HELP!
>

Hi

Running an engine lean means running it hotter and you risk blowing
holes in your pistons or overheating and cracking the head. Think about
your engine - a trashed 3.5 litre straight six is a damn site more
polluting than a few extra ounces of co2. Anyway running the engine lean
increases nitrogen burning to form NO2 which dissolves in the
atmospheric water to form acid rain.

BMW set your mixture the way it does for many reasons. Minimising carbon
monoxide ( from rich mixture ), minimising notrogen oxides ( from lean
mixtures ), maximising efficiency ( low petrol consumption hence low CO2
), maximum performance. I would suggest overhauling all the major parts
both ignition and fuel, putting a couple of new filters on and leaving
well alone.

Dave
 




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