Consider buying American!

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> http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23124844/
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> GM just made it known that they lost 39 billion in 2007, the largest
> ever annual loss for a US automaker.
>
> The big three are losing money, and if we don't give them the support
> they need, they are going to go under. Consider buying an American
> car.
>

American cars are crap. Made by unionists more worried about when their
next coffee break is than making quality cars. They've negotiated themselves
right out of jobs as the big auto makers cut back. It's not possible to do
business
that way and compete on a world wide economy.

A couple years ago I bought a Nissan truck with 92,000 miles on it and
didn't bat an eye. I wouldn't even think of owning an American made
car with over 60,000 miles on it. They fall apart.

When American auto makers start turning out a quality product at
a competitive price I'll take a look at them.

t

tater wrote:
> > wrote in message
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>> http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23124844/
>>
>> GM just made it known that they lost 39 billion in 2007, the largest
>> ever annual loss for a US automaker.
>>
>> The big three are losing money, and if we don't give them the support
>> they need, they are going to go under. Consider buying an American
>> car.
>>
>
> American cars are crap. Made by unionists more worried about when their
> next coffee break is than making quality cars. They've negotiated themselves
> right out of jobs as the big auto makers cut back. It's not possible to do
> business that way and compete on a world wide economy.

It's hardly the workers' fault - Honda & Toyota employ American workers
and turn out quality vehicles. This is a management failing.

Tony Harding wrote:
> tater wrote:
>
>> > wrote in message
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>>
>>> http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23124844/
>>>
>>> GM just made it known that they lost 39 billion in 2007, the largest
>>> ever annual loss for a US automaker.
>>>
>>> The big three are losing money, and if we don't give them the support
>>> they need, they are going to go under. Consider buying an American
>>> car.
>>>
>>
>> American cars are crap. Made by unionists more worried about when their
>> next coffee break is than making quality cars. They've negotiated
>> themselves
>> right out of jobs as the big auto makers cut back. It's not possible
>> to do business that way and compete on a world wide economy.
>
>
> It's hardly the workers' fault - Honda & Toyota employ American workers
> and turn out quality vehicles. This is a management failing.

It is very true. The top management in GM should be blamed. GM
assemble line workers do not make much more than assemble line worker in
TOYOTA. They just assemble what have been planed and designed by
management. The top management in GM take home a huge salary and bouns
compare to TOYOTA or HONDA top management.

"swllz" > wrote in message
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>
>
> Tony Harding wrote:
>> tater wrote:
>>
>>> > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>
>>>> http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23124844/
>>>>
>>>> GM just made it known that they lost 39 billion in 2007, the largest
>>>> ever annual loss for a US automaker.
>>>>
>>>> The big three are losing money, and if we don't give them the support
>>>> they need, they are going to go under. Consider buying an American
>>>> car.
>>>>
>>>
>>> American cars are crap. Made by unionists more worried about when their
>>> next coffee break is than making quality cars. They've negotiated
>>> themselves
>>> right out of jobs as the big auto makers cut back. It's not possible to
>>> do business that way and compete on a world wide economy.
>>
>>
>> It's hardly the workers' fault - Honda & Toyota employ American workers
>> and turn out quality vehicles. This is a management failing.
>
> It is very true. The top management in GM should be blamed. GM assemble
> line workers do not make much more than assemble line worker in TOYOTA.
> They just assemble what have been planed and designed by management. The
> top management in GM take home a huge salary and bouns compare to TOYOTA
> or HONDA top management.

What are the annual healthcare and retirement benefit costs for GM and Ford,
owing to the UAW contracts, as compared with Honda and Toyota? So to say
that those Japanese companies take care of their empoyees as well as the Big
Three is an outright lie.

BaJoRi wrote:

> What are the annual healthcare and retirement benefit costs for GM and Ford,
> owing to the UAW contracts, as compared with Honda and Toyota? So to say
> that those Japanese companies take care of their empoyees as well as the Big
> Three is an outright lie.

Toyota's annual health care costs are around $100M, worldwide, because
their US workforce is non-union, has much lousier beneifts, especially
in retirement, and almost all other countries have socialized
medicine, including Toyota's home turf, Japan.

larry moe 'n curly wrote:
>
> BaJoRi wrote:
>
>> What are the annual healthcare and retirement benefit costs for GM and Ford,
>> owing to the UAW contracts, as compared with Honda and Toyota? So to say
>> that those Japanese companies take care of their empoyees as well as the Big
>> Three is an outright lie.
>
> Toyota's annual health care costs are around $100M, worldwide, because
> their US workforce is non-union, has much lousier beneifts, especially
> in retirement, and almost all other countries have socialized
> medicine, including Toyota's home turf, Japan.

The benefits that American automaker retirees have will be reduced if
the automakers go bankrupt.

Jeff

BaJoRi wrote:
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> "swllz" > wrote in message
> ...
>>
>>
>> Tony Harding wrote:
>>> tater wrote:
>>>
>>>> > wrote in message
>>>> ...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23124844/
>>>>>
>>>>> GM just made it known that they lost 39 billion in 2007, the largest
>>>>> ever annual loss for a US automaker.
>>>>>
>>>>> The big three are losing money, and if we don't give them the support
>>>>> they need, they are going to go under. Consider buying an American
>>>>> car.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> American cars are crap. Made by unionists more worried about when their
>>>> next coffee break is than making quality cars. They've negotiated
>>>> themselves
>>>> right out of jobs as the big auto makers cut back. It's not
>>>> possible to do business that way and compete on a world wide economy.
>>>
>>> It's hardly the workers' fault - Honda & Toyota employ American
>>> workers and turn out quality vehicles. This is a management failing.
>>
>> It is very true. The top management in GM should be blamed. GM
>> assemble line workers do not make much more than assemble line worker
>> in TOYOTA. They just assemble what have been planed and designed by
>> management. The top management in GM take home a huge salary and
>> bouns compare to TOYOTA or HONDA top management.
>
> What are the annual healthcare and retirement benefit costs for GM and
> Ford, owing to the UAW contracts, as compared with Honda and Toyota? So
> to say that those Japanese companies take care of their empoyees as well
> as the Big Three is an outright lie.

Wake up, dude, Japan, along with every other first world country with
the exception of the US, has universal health coverage and retirement
benefits, so Japanese companies, et al., have no direct health care
and/or retirement costs. Makes for quite a competitive advantage,
doesn't it?

Tony Harding wrote:
> BaJoRi wrote:
>>
>> "swllz" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>>
>>>
>>> Tony Harding wrote:
>>>> tater wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> > wrote in message
>>>>> ...
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23124844/
>>>>>>
>>>>>> GM just made it known that they lost 39 billion in 2007, the largest
>>>>>> ever annual loss for a US automaker.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The big three are losing money, and if we don't give them the support
>>>>>> they need, they are going to go under. Consider buying an American
>>>>>> car.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> American cars are crap. Made by unionists more worried about when
>>>>> their
>>>>> next coffee break is than making quality cars. They've negotiated
>>>>> themselves
>>>>> right out of jobs as the big auto makers cut back. It's not
>>>>> possible to do business that way and compete on a world wide economy.
>>>>
>>>> It's hardly the workers' fault - Honda & Toyota employ American
>>>> workers and turn out quality vehicles. This is a management failing.
>>>
>>> It is very true. The top management in GM should be blamed. GM
>>> assemble line workers do not make much more than assemble line worker
>>> in TOYOTA. They just assemble what have been planed and designed by
>>> management. The top management in GM take home a huge salary and
>>> bouns compare to TOYOTA or HONDA top management.
>>
>> What are the annual healthcare and retirement benefit costs for GM and
>> Ford, owing to the UAW contracts, as compared with Honda and Toyota?
>> So to say that those Japanese companies take care of their empoyees as
>> well as the Big Three is an outright lie.
>
> Wake up, dude, Japan, along with every other first world country with
> the exception of the US, has universal health coverage and retirement
> benefits, so Japanese companies, et al., have no direct health care
> and/or retirement costs. Makes for quite a competitive advantage,
> doesn't it?

eh? so who pays for it all then? it wouldn't be taxes would it? is
there some way japanese companies don't pay tax where american ones do?

Tony Harding wrote:
> BaJoRi wrote:

> > What are the annual healthcare and retirement benefit costs for GM and
> > Ford, owing to the UAW contracts, as compared with Honda and Toyota? So
> > to say that those Japanese companies take care of their empoyees as well
> > as the Big Three is an outright lie.
>
> Wake up, dude, Japan, along with every other first world country with
> the exception of the US, has universal health coverage and retirement
> benefits, so Japanese companies, et al., have no direct health care
> and/or retirement costs. Makes for quite a competitive advantage,
> doesn't it?

Furthermore the Japanese health care system, both the public and
private portions, is incredibly cheap, costing less than half as much
as the American system does, this despite Americans making far fewer
doctor visits.

"Tony Harding" > wrote in message ...
> tater wrote:
>> > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23124844/
>>>
>>> GM just made it known that they lost 39 billion in 2007, the largest
>>> ever annual loss for a US automaker.
>>>
>>> The big three are losing money, and if we don't give them the support
>>> they need, they are going to go under. Consider buying an American
>>> car.
>>>
>>
>> American cars are crap. Made by unionists more worried about when their
>> next coffee break is than making quality cars. They've negotiated themselves
>> right out of jobs as the big auto makers cut back. It's not possible to do
>> business that way and compete on a world wide economy.
>
> It's hardly the workers' fault - Honda & Toyota employ American workers
> and turn out quality vehicles. This is a management failing.

Anybody remembers what was in the news some years ago about
Jesse Jackson accusations to Nissan of racism ? Was it workers
hiring process related? I forgot the details...