Stick a fork in it: r.a.s. is done

In article <I7rbe.19209$Z73.12087@lakeread04>, (Larry)
wrote:

> Steve, I think part of it is due to the utter bordom that's
> taking place in SIM releases right now.

We need the "one sim to bind them all". GPL used to unify the group...
whether folk loved it or hated it :-) Now there's nothing to bring
everyone together, so we thrash around debating similar sims which don't
really excite us like they should, and dissimilar politics, which excites
us far too much.

Old folk are all the same, always looking for something to moan about.
Next thing you know someone will start a thread moaning about the state of
RAS ;-)

Andrew McP

"Andrew MacPherson" > wrote in message
ddress_disguised...
> In article <I7rbe.19209$Z73.12087@lakeread04>, (Larry)
> wrote:
>
>> Steve, I think part of it is due to the utter bordom that's
>> taking place in SIM releases right now.
>
> We need the "one sim to bind them all". GPL used to unify the group...
> whether folk loved it or hated it :-) Now there's nothing to bring
> everyone together, so we thrash around debating similar sims which don't
> really excite us like they should, and dissimilar politics, which excites
> us far too much.
>
> Old folk are all the same, always looking for something to moan about.
> Next thing you know someone will start a thread moaning about the state of
> RAS ;-)
>

Maybe the shine's simply off sims in general. A physically realistic sim
was a brand new concept when I started posting in '93 on this newsgroup
(here from day 1, so to speak) and there was a certain "wow" factor related
to finally being able to pilot the same *insert favourite racing genre* car
on a somewhat realistic rendering of *insert favourite track here*. The
incremental improvements in sims over the decade are great, and it is
astonishing to compare the newest offerings to ICR1 or World Circuit, but I
still think nothing will quite touch the original discovery of the sim genre
in terms of a catalyst effect for lively discussion. The only other
significant improvement, and this is why it will always be a hot topic, was
the arrival of GPL. It brought the first proper physics engine based on the
danymics of discrete rigid bodies, and represented a departure from more
simple lookup tables. Everything else since then represents an improvement
on the same basic concept. Until proper real-time CFD arrives in a sim, it
will probably be pretty quiet for the gearheads in here (Mech. Eng. myself).

Stephen

On Tue, 26 Apr 2005 10:01:31 -0400, "Larry" > wrote:

>This is why I liked TEN so much.
>
>It's scoring system was FAR superior to Sierra's. The info in Sierra is
>almost useless.
>
>They should be scoring top 10's, top 5's, Win's, Poles and other stuff as
>well as LPI and rank.
>
>Sierra gives no sense of accomplishment. I firmly believe that's why so few
>people care about what happens there in online races.
>
>-Larry


While all that other info might be pretty cool, I don't think it would
have any bearing on a driver's skill for safe racing. That's what we
all want, right? A fun competition against others of our relative
skill level. If a driver doesn't have any wins or poles, some people
wouldn't count him as a good racer, even if his LPI is through the
roof...

Eldred

I certainly do NOT agree with that...

We just haven't HAD a good one since NR2003.

-Larry

"Stephen F." > wrote in message
...
\> Maybe the shine's simply off sims in general. A physically realistic sim
> was a brand new concept when I started posting in '93 on this newsgroup
> (here from day 1, so to speak) and there was a certain "wow" factor
> related to finally being able to pilot the same *insert favourite racing
> genre* car on a somewhat realistic rendering of *insert favourite track
> here*. The incremental improvements in sims over the decade are great,
> and it is astonishing to compare the newest offerings to ICR1 or World
> Circuit, but I still think nothing will quite touch the original discovery
> of the sim genre in terms of a catalyst effect for lively discussion. The
> only other significant improvement, and this is why it will always be a
> hot topic, was the arrival of GPL. It brought the first proper physics
> engine based on the danymics of discrete rigid bodies, and represented a
> departure from more simple lookup tables. Everything else since then
> represents an improvement on the same basic concept. Until proper
> real-time CFD arrives in a sim, it will probably be pretty quiet for the
> gearheads in here (Mech. Eng. myself).
>
> Stephen
>
>
>
>
>

Eldred,

To win, you have to finish You don't finish by knocking cars out of your
way most of the time. You inevitably become your own victim.

As for the second part of your statement, everyone can't win. There's only
one first place.

That's where the top 5's and 10's come in.

In general, wins don't win championships (unless it's a walk-away).
Consistent Top 5's and 10's do.

-Larry

"Eldred Pickett" > wrote in message
...
> While all that other info might be pretty cool, I don't think it would
> have any bearing on a driver's skill for safe racing. That's what we
> all want, right? A fun competition against others of our relative
> skill level. If a driver doesn't have any wins or poles, some people
> wouldn't count him as a good racer, even if his LPI is through the
> roof...
>
> Eldred