turbonator

Your "generality" was a no problemo situation. Kidd came in later I
think. But, it makes me feel better that someone else picked up on it
being to generalized. It's not just you. People in general tend to
generalize things. It's the easiest way to cover a topic, but it can
cause misunderstandings.... especially in an internet environment
where readers can't see emotions or body language of the person making
the statement.

On Wed, 03 Aug 2005 00:58:28 GMT, Joe > wrote:

>Kidd Andersson > wrote in
:
>
>> Joe wrote:
>>
>>
>>>>As for MJ, I don't know. Maybe he is just plain weird. But, the
>>>>charges the prosecution elected to push were inane. They need a new
>>>>DA.
>>>

Spike
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On Tue, 02 Aug 2005 20:36:20 -0400, Hank >
wrote:


>> ie: such is war.
>
> bu$h's terror attack on Iraq isn't a war. It's a one sided
>and illegal invasion of defenseless and abused People. Iraq
>has no air force, army, or modern weaponry.
> The U.S. has the most modern and powerful military
>on the planet. The World's Superpower. That sort
>of power shouldn't be abused by a sheltered, privileged,
>lying, thieving, draft dodging, AWOL war criminal.
>
A rose by any other name and all that. A conflict between armed
parties is a war, no matter what it's called. It sure as hell isn't a
"peace".

And your defenseless abused people were defenseless when Saddam and
his cohorts were abusing them and exterminating them with chemical
WMDs.

Let's not be so rabid.... you just insulted a good share of the
Vietnam era citizens, both those who served and those who didn't...
not to mention it appears you neither have anything to back up your
slanderous statements, or know what you are talking about concerning
that era of US history. There are some here who lived it.
>
>-
>
>

Spike
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I do not cower from this responsibility. I welcome it."
-JFK Inaugural Address

I provided an example. The rest of your quotes appear to follow in the
same vein. You are not apparently dealing in facts as you claim, but
in propaganda. The truth twisted to serve your personal agenda.

On Tue, 02 Aug 2005 20:32:21 -0400, Hank >
wrote:

>Spike wrote:
>
>> I've read through the items you have quoted and they
>> are so full of holes
>
> Can you be more specific? I prefer to deal with facts
>and specifics over vague rhetoric.
>
>> You quote a third party telling a lie and attribute it to Bush.
>
> Huh?
>
>
>
>-
>
>
> http://www.commondreams.org/
> http://www.truthout.org/
> http://www.prohibitioncosts.org/
> http://thirdworldtraveler.com/
> http://counterpunch.org/
> http://responsiblewealth.org/
> http://washingtondc.craigslist.org/pol/80315675.html
>
> In September and October 2003, McClellan said he had spoken
>directly with Rove about the matter and that "he was not
>involved" in leaking Plame's identity to the news media.
>McClellan said at the time: "The president knows that Karl
>Rove wasn't involved," "It was a ridiculous suggestion"
>and "It's not true."
> Yet another in the endless stirng of bu$h's lies.
>
> "We argued, as did the security services in this country,
> that the attacks on Afghanistan and Iraq would increase the
> threat of terrorist attack in Britain. Tragically Londoners
> have now paid the price of the Government ignoring such
> warnings." Respect MP George Galloway 7-7-05
>
> "They are waging a campaign of murder and destruction. And
> there is no limit to the innocent lives they are willing to
> take... men with blind hatred and armed with lethal weapons
> who are capable of any atrocity... they respect no laws of
> warfare or morality."
> -bu$h describing his own illegal invasion of Iraq.
> http://www.robert-fisk.com/iraqwarvictims_mar2003.htm
>
> "Brutal and sadistic? By what girly-man standards? Compared
> to how Saddam treated his prisoners, a bit of humiliation was
> a walk in the park. AFAIK, No one died or even lost any blood."
> -Albert Nurick, a usenet kook and blatant liar, on the rape,
> torture and murder at bu$h's Abu Ghraib prison in Iraq.
> http://www.commondreams.org/headlines04/0512-10.htm
>
> "Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things
> that matter." -- Martin Luther King Jr.
>
> "God told me to strike at al Qaeda and I struck them. And then
> he instructed me to strike at Saddam, which I did."
> -- George W. Bush
>
> "Hence today I believe that I am acting in accordance with the
> will of the Almighty Creator: by defending myself against the
> Jew, I am fighting for the work of the Lord."
> -- Adolf Hitler
>
> "To announce that there must be no criticism of the President,
> or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is
> not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable
> to the American public."
> -- Theodore Roosevelt (1918)
>
> Don't let bu$h do to the United States what his very close
> friend and top campaign contributor, Ken Lay, did to Enron...

Spike
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"When the time comes to lay down my life for my country,
I do not cower from this responsibility. I welcome it."
-JFK Inaugural Address

On Tue, 02 Aug 2005 20:36:43 -0400, Hank >
wrote:


>
> Have you ever seen a supporter of bu$h's war crimes, torture,
>terrorism, and mass murder of innocent civilians who wasn't
>an ignorant and hate filled kook that spews a lot of lies?
>
>
Wouldn't that require that Bush had been tried and convicted of those
acts in order for someone to support them?

You should research the definition of "mass murder", "torture" ,
"terrorism", and "war crimes" BEFORE you use them.

As for hate being spewed... how about your hate of Bush? If he spews
hate as you claim, then doesn't that make you as bad? Does it serve to
support conversion to your view when you initially insult those you
would convert?

And when you post things and call them facts with nothing to support
what you claim, doesn't that make you a liar?



Spike
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"When the time comes to lay down my life for my country,
I do not cower from this responsibility. I welcome it."
-JFK Inaugural Address

Obviously, your mind has never been open. Like a rabid dog you keep
biting anything you can put your teeth to.. even if it's your own
tail.

Your response totally ignores the meat of my post, and only seeks to
turn it to your own personal agenda. Twisting my words does not make
you look better.

I like to believe in people and treat them with respect until they
prove they are not worthy of that respect. I may not agree with the
views of others, but I respect their views.

I can't speak for others, but you just proved you are not worthy of my
respect.

On Tue, 02 Aug 2005 20:39:23 -0400, Hank >
wrote:

>Spike wrote:
>
>> How quickly do we make assumptions, jump to conclusions and
>> close our mind?
>
> Like Iraq has stockpiles of WMDs, and ties to al Qaeda?
>Open minded people never believed those lies.
>
>> How easily do we form and hold fast to our opinions and
>> then close our mind?
>
> Like we need to invade and destroy Iraq because if we
>don't, our way of life will be in danger? Open minded
>people didn't believe that lie, either...
>
>> How fast do we make a judgment, slap on a label and then
>> close our mind?
>
> Like Bush's moronic claim that "you're either with us or
>you're with the terrorists". Open minded people thought
>that remark was incredibly absurd.
>
>> A closed mind never knows the delight of playing with possibilities,
>> being enlightened by others point of view or enjoying the diversity of
>> human life.
>
> Exactly, and simple, tightly closed minds are what brought
>us Bush's tragic terror attack on the innocent People of
>Iraq. It's a total failure as well as a $200,000,000,000
>U.S. taxpayer funded training and recruitment program for al
>Qaeda. About $150 million dollars per DAY. It's also a war
>profiteering bonanza for Bush's corporate war criminal cronies,
>like those running Cheney's Halliburton.
>
>> An open and understanding mind never assumes, doesn't jump to
>> conclusions and won't hold fast to any opinion.
>
> If we had more of those, fewer people would have swallowed
>Bush's endless lies about the need to invade Iraq. Hundreds
>of BILLIONS of taxpayer dollars and tens of thousands of lives
>would not have been wasted.
>
>> Perhaps it is no wonder a closed mind is not a very relaxed mind.
>
> There's certainly nothing relaxing about fighting, killing,
>destroying, and dying over the lies, hate, ignorance, and
>greed of war criminal....
>
>
>-
>
>
> http://www.commondreams.org/
> http://www.truthout.org/
> http://www.prohibitioncosts.org/
> http://thirdworldtraveler.com/
> http://counterpunch.org/
> http://responsiblewealth.org/
> http://washingtondc.craigslist.org/pol/80315675.html
>
> In September and October 2003, McClellan said he had spoken
>directly with Rove about the matter and that "he was not
>involved" in leaking Plame's identity to the news media.
>McClellan said at the time: "The president knows that Karl
>Rove wasn't involved," "It was a ridiculous suggestion"
>and "It's not true."
> Yet another in the endless stirng of bu$h's lies.
>
> "We argued, as did the security services in this country,
> that the attacks on Afghanistan and Iraq would increase the
> threat of terrorist attack in Britain. Tragically Londoners
> have now paid the price of the Government ignoring such
> warnings." Respect MP George Galloway 7-7-05
>
> "They are waging a campaign of murder and destruction. And
> there is no limit to the innocent lives they are willing to
> take... men with blind hatred and armed with lethal weapons
> who are capable of any atrocity... they respect no laws of
> warfare or morality."
> -bu$h describing his own illegal invasion of Iraq.
> http://www.robert-fisk.com/iraqwarvictims_mar2003.htm
>
> "Brutal and sadistic? By what girly-man standards? Compared
> to how Saddam treated his prisoners, a bit of humiliation was
> a walk in the park. AFAIK, No one died or even lost any blood."
> -Albert Nurick, a usenet kook and blatant liar, on the rape,
> torture and murder at bu$h's Abu Ghraib prison in Iraq.
> http://www.commondreams.org/headlines04/0512-10.htm
>
> "Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things
> that matter." -- Martin Luther King Jr.
>
> "God told me to strike at al Qaeda and I struck them. And then
> he instructed me to strike at Saddam, which I did."
> -- George W. Bush
>
> "Hence today I believe that I am acting in accordance with the
> will of the Almighty Creator: by defending myself against the
> Jew, I am fighting for the work of the Lord."
> -- Adolf Hitler
>
> "To announce that there must be no criticism of the President,
> or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is
> not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable
> to the American public."
> -- Theodore Roosevelt (1918)
>
> Don't let bu$h do to the United States what his very close
> friend and top campaign contributor, Ken Lay, did to Enron...

Spike
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-JFK Inaugural Address

WindsorFox[SS] wrote:
> Kidd Andersson wrote:
>
>>> Yeah, and Iraq has stockpiles of WMDs and is about
>>> to nuke the United States. And Robert Fisk is really bu$h's favorite
>>> "journalist, the homophobic gay whore, "Jeff Gannon". You appear to
>>> be a gullible, brainwashed, terrorism supporting kook....
>>>
>>
>> ....... I can't believe anyone would have the audacity... Nay... the
>> lack of BRAINS to say anything that ridiculous. Unbelievable. What a
>> waste of space you are.
>>
>> K.
>
>
> I see you are very unlearned in the area of kookdom. It is not
> theirs to be rational. I have showed this guys posts to left wing
> Democrats who dislike W enough to truly believe that Gore would have
> been better, but that both are bottom of the barrel. These particular
> people read two of his postings and immediately referred to him as a
> total loon. One said "OMG, Really, we don't need people like that trying
> to "help" us. The Democratic party has enough trouble right now...."
> Kind of the way many Republicans feel about the fanatical Christians.
>

You do realize my post was directed at Hank and not you, right?

K.

Joe wrote:
>>My baby wouldn't
>>sleep in her own bed even as an infant. Nothing we tried could get
>>her to sleep in her own bed so she slept with us from the day she
>>came home from the hospital. I know why we let our daughter sleep
>>with us, but I also know that she's young enough that it's not going
>>to do any lasting damage to her. It might be a little harder to get
>>her out of it since she's been there for 3 years but that's about
>>it. She's about to be weened from the parent bed to her own because
>>I do firmly believe that if you let a child sleep with you for too
>>long, they'll never develop independance and learn to comfort
>>themselves which can have nasty consequences on her as a teen and
>>adult.
>
>
> Exactly. You've answered your own question from above.

I still don't think it's SICK. Maybe our definitions of the word are
different. It's perhaps a danger to the child's ability to cope as
he/she gets older.
However, with your enlightenment of WHY she has all the kids sleep with
her... I think she needs a bit of education and maybe a trip or two down
to Dr. Phil. She's damaging her kids by not letting them go. It's going
to screw them up and kill her relationship with them.
Now, if it was the KIDS wanting to sleep in bed with mom and dad (such
as in my case), then I don't see anything wrong with it up until that
certain age. By 7, the parents should be able to foster the confidence
and self-comfort in a kid of that age. If not, they need to hit some
parenting classes. I'm not perfect but young kids aren't rocket science.


> So what's your opinion of Michael Jackson?

He's sleeping with kids that ARE NOT his. I don't care if Johnny Depp
calls and invites my kid over for a sleepover to sleep in his bed, he's
obviously got some strange issues. I love kids, mine or not, but I'm not
bringing them into my bed.
IF MJ wasn't proven to be such a ****ing flake, I wouldn't think
anything of him having his own kids in his bed. That's if he was a
normal human being, but he's not. He's some sort of alien plant here to
judge what kind of weird behavior he can get away with apparently.
If you told me you had a 5 year old that wouldn't sleep in his own bed
and slept with you, I would think nothing of it. If anyone here told me
their children slept in bed with them up to the age of maybe 4 or 5, I
wouldn't think anything of it.
MJ is not a "regular" parent. He's shown for years with his public
behavior, what he's done to his face, and how he treats his kids what a
flippin nutcase he is. When someone is as off-the-wall as that, he
shouldn't be allowed to breed or be around kids period.
I'd say the same of anyone else who acted like that.
AND, on my last little thought here... His whole spew about it being
such a "loving" act... Umm... sleeping next to a 3 year old so she feels
secure and safe and loved is a "loving" act. Not sleeping next to a 13
year old that has his own damn parents to love him.

K.

Joe wrote:


>
> I already clarified my glittering generality in another post to Spike,
> but as I told him, I think you get what I mean. Jackson's a sick mf
> IMO.

Yeah I caught that after the fact. I'm always a day late and a buck
short. Story of my life.
I agree with you completely. He's a sick ****er and I FIRMLY believe he
was guilty as hell. Come on. Who else but a nut like him could come up
with Jesus Juice??

K.

Spike wrote:

> Your "generality" was a no problemo situation. Kidd came in later I
> think. But, it makes me feel better that someone else picked up on it
> being to generalized. It's not just you. People in general tend to
> generalize things.

Spike, you just generalized that people tend to generalize things... "in
general" of course.

My head hurts.

K.

On Wed, 03 Aug 2005 00:51:54 -0400, Kidd Andersson
> wrote:

>Joe wrote:
>>>My baby wouldn't
And yet, in other cultures, kids sleep with their parents or others
right up until they pass the test for manhood/womanhood with no
apparent ill affects. Indeed, those kids become more an integral part
of the whole, with far less interpersonal conflict (within their own
groups), and, at an earlier age have become more independent that
children in western cultures.
Spike
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-JFK Inaugural Address