Import owners are to blame for the recession

Well, Toyota now outsells GM worldwide, so where does that leave your
theory? Toyota is also outselling Ford in the US.

So where do you stand on the bailout, Mike? Are you in favor of the
Big Government solution of using tax dollars to create a corporate
welfare state? Or would you like to say goodbye to at least one or
two of your favorite car companies?




On Sun, 7 Dec 2008 13:43:09 -0500, "Mike Hunter" <mikehunt2@lycos/com>
wrote:

>I believe that is what most buyers believe they are doing, don't you? If
>you suggest one buy the best, most economical, most intelligent buy, you
>must mean buy from GM because more Americans buy their new vehicles from GM
>than any other manufacturer
>
>
>"Cathy F." > wrote in message
m...
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>> > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> If all Americans bought American cars, the US economy would be rockin
>>> and rollin right now. Don't give me that stuff about Toyota and Honda
>>> manufacturing over here either. GM employs 130,000 in the United
>>> States. Toyota employs 30,000, Honda less than that. Most of the
>>> import jobs are just blue collar jobs also, where GM has over 50,000
>>> engineers. The Japanese automakers have brainwashed us into thinking
>>> that buying their car is an investment in this country. I say we buy
>>> from the Big Three and take our economy back.
>>
>> I say we buy what is the best, most economical, most intelligent buy. The
>> American automakers have screwed up time & again; they've become mired in
>> their own mud. Problem is... the mud's splattering.
>>
>> Cathy (aat)
>>
>>
>

> wrote in message
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> On Sun, 7 Dec 2008 14:58:05 -0500, "Marko" > wrote:
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> wrote in message
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>>On Dec 7, 1:48 pm, "Marko" > wrote:
>>> > wrote in message
>>>
>>> ...
>>>
>>> > If all Americans bought American cars, the US economy would be rockin
>>> > and rollin right now. Don't give me that stuff about Toyota and Honda
>>> > manufacturing over here either. GM employs 130,000 in the United
>>> > States. Toyota employs 30,000, Honda less than that. Most of the
>>> > import jobs are just blue collar jobs also, where GM has over 50,000
>>> > engineers. The Japanese automakers have brainwashed us into thinking
>>> > that buying their car is an investment in this country. I say we buy
>>> > from the Big Three and take our economy back.
>>>
>>> Import owner are traitors.
>>
>>And we support Al Qaeda and all world-wide terrorists too, right?
>>Butthead. You must work directly or indirectly for an automaker.
>>
>>No..wrong asshole, I just try to buy American when possible. I try to keep
>>as much of my money possible home. Instead of sending major profits half
>>way
>>around the globe.
>
>
> Gee, mabee if there was "major profits" to be made by the American
> manufacturers they couls make something Americans are EAGER to
> buy??????
?
Wow, and I am still wondering what makes someone so eager to buy a Toyota
Matrix but not a Pontiac Vibe? Its the same vehicle coming right off the
same line. Consumer reports gave the Matrix higher ratings than the Vibe by
2 different reviewers not knowing they were the same cars. Could it be a
bias issue?

> wrote in message
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> BS doubletalk.... is that like all the parts that have labels saying they
> were made somewhere else? Or is that BS doubletalk like in "forget
> thefacts, we're great simply because we're great"...
>
> Rhetoric is useless... you really need to consider what you say...
>
> Would you consider me to be patriotic if I bought a Fusion?

I live in a community where we have an association that does our mantenance
and upkeep. If a part breaks and needs replacing I buy it from my community,
the price is about the same if I went outside and bought it myself or maybe
just a dollar or 2 higher. The bottom line is I buy inside my own community
because the money I spend here goes back into my community to maintain
itself. It is the same thing I do when I buy my cars. Did I mention my next
car will be the new Camaro SS? or the Z06 Corvette??

"Cathy F." > wrote in message
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>
> "HLS" > wrote in message
> ...
>>
>> "Cathy F." > wrote in message
>>> I say we buy what is the best, most economical, most intelligent buy.
>>> The American automakers have screwed up time & again; they've become
>>> mired in their own mud. Problem is... the mud's splattering.
>>>
>>> Cathy (aat)
>>
>>
>> Very logical...The Big 3 should maybe listen to the customer more.
>>
>> I have no doubt the Big 3 can compete in quality and design if they wish
>> to
>> do so, and if they market their products well, they should be
>> competitive.
>>
>> But talking isnt always doing. Do, Big 3
>
> With so much on the line, one has to wonder... why *haven't* they
> accomplished the "do"??
>
> Cathy
>
>>
>>
Because the unions have been a anchor around their necks for 80 years, only
in the last 35 years it has actually begun to pull them down do to non
unionized competition.

>
>

"L Alpert" > wrote in message
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> "Marko" > wrote in message
> s.com...
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>> "jim beam" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> On Sun, 07 Dec 2008 10:01:25 -0800, buydomestic wrote:
>>>
>>>> If all Americans bought American cars, the US economy would be rockin
>>>> and rollin right now. Don't give me that stuff about Toyota and Honda
>>>> manufacturing over here either. GM employs 130,000 in the United
>>>> States. Toyota employs 30,000, Honda less than that. Most of the
>>>> import jobs are just blue collar jobs also, where GM has over 50,000
>>>> engineers. The Japanese automakers have brainwashed us into thinking
>>>> that buying their car is an investment in this country. I say we buy
>>>> from the Big Three and take our economy back.
>>>
>>> idiot. "big three" are spending all their resources on ways to have
>>> their
>>> stuff made in china and mexico. why should we support that?
>>>
>>> japanese manufacturers make their stuff in the good old usa, with usa
>>> components and usa workers. buy japanese instead.
>>
>> Yeh and send all the profits back to good Japan.
>
> So, only 90% of the money stays here. How much profit do you think there
> is in commodities? This is why the big 3 need to be bailed out. They
> focused their resources on larger and higher profit margin vehicles
> without a clue as to which way the market was turning.
>
>>>

Sure they focused on Higher profit trucks and SUVs because the barely break
even on small car sales do to union labor.

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> wrote in message
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On Dec 7, 2:20 pm, "Marko" > wrote:
> > wrote in message
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> ...
> On Dec 7, 1:07 pm, jim beam > wrote:
>
> > On Sun, 07 Dec 2008 10:01:25 -0800, buydomestic wrote:
> > > If all Americans bought American cars, the US economy would be rockin
> > > and rollin right now. Don't give me that stuff about Toyota and Honda
> > > manufacturing over here either. GM employs 130,000 in the United
> > > States. Toyota employs 30,000, Honda less than that. Most of the
> > > import jobs are just blue collar jobs also, where GM has over 50,000
> > > engineers. The Japanese automakers have brainwashed us into thinking
> > > that buying their car is an investment in this country. I say we buy
> > > from the Big Three and take our economy back.
>
> > idiot. "big three" are spending all their resources on ways to have
> > their
> > stuff made in china and mexico. why should we support that?
>
> > japanese manufacturers make their stuff in the good old usa, with usa
> > components and usa workers. buy japanese instead.
>
> Amen! And don't forget Ford's manufacturing plant in Brazil.
>
> This is not about Brazil, its about America. Are from Brazil?

Ford owns a plant in Brazil. Ford makes cars in South America to be
sold in S.A. and Europe and the US. They don't make the cars here to
be exported. Ford and the other US car makers are multinational
corporations.

Having a problem following the discussion?

No not at all, Ford GM and Chrysler own plants all over the world. But they
are still American companies. And your comment about japanese manufacturers
make their stuff in the good old usa, with usa
components and usa workers makes no sense. They import components from
suppliers all over the world. So to say or even think that they make each
separate part and component is just so ignorant even I am surprised.
>

"Jeff Strickland" > wrote in message
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> > wrote in message
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>> On Sun, 7 Dec 2008 11:02:52 -0800 (PST), "
>> > wrote:
>>
>>>On Dec 7, 1:07 pm, jim beam > wrote:
>>>> On Sun, 07 Dec 2008 10:01:25 -0800, buydomestic wrote:
>>>> > If all Americans bought American cars, the US economy would be rockin
>>>> > and rollin right now. Don't give me that stuff about Toyota and Honda
>>>> > manufacturing over here either. GM employs 130,000 in the United
>>>> > States. Toyota employs 30,000, Honda less than that. Most of the
>>>> > import jobs are just blue collar jobs also, where GM has over 50,000
>>>> > engineers. The Japanese automakers have brainwashed us into thinking
>>>> > that buying their car is an investment in this country. I say we buy
>>>> > from the Big Three and take our economy back.
>>>>
>>>> idiot. "big three" are spending all their resources on ways to have
>>>> their
>>>> stuff made in china and mexico. why should we support that?
>>>>
>>>> japanese manufacturers make their stuff in the good old usa, with usa
>>>> components and usa workers. buy japanese instead.
>>>
>>>Amen! And don't forget Ford's manufacturing plant in Brazil.
>>
>> And ford has been building vehicles in Brazil since 1957.
>> They have assembled in Argentina since 1919, and manufactured since
>> 1959.
>> They also manufacture cars in India, Thailand, and Australia.
>>
>> Ford currently also has plants in the UK, Turkey,Belgium, Spain and
>> Sweden.
>
> And, all of those plants in all of those markets are doing well. Only
> North American operations are in the dumper.
>

Yeh...no one else has a real problem with them except a segment of
Americans.
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>
>
>

OK.... I see it now... It doesn't matter what country gets the money as long
as it a US registered trademark?


"Marko" > wrote in message
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> "AJL" > wrote in message
> news
>> "Marko" > wrote:
>>
>>>"AJL" wrote:
>>
>>>> My Chevy Suburban was made in Mexico. My Honda was made in the USA.
>>>> Both have parts made all over the world. What exactly is an American
>>>> car?
>>
>>>Honda is japanese company registered in Japan...
>>
>> So when Chrysler was a German company registered in Germany it wasn't
>> an American car?
>
> Germany owned a large share of Chrysler but I also questioned if it was
> still American. My understanding was Chrysler was still a registered
> entity in the US.
>>
>

"Marko" > wrote:

>Ford and the other US car makers are multinational
>corporations.

So we would like other nations to buy our American cars,
but we should refuse to buy theirs?

wrote:

> If all Americans bought American cars, the US economy would be rockin
> and rollin right now. Don't give me that stuff about Toyota and Honda
> manufacturing over here either. GM employs 130,000 in the United
> States. Toyota employs 30,000, Honda less than that. Most of the
> import jobs are just blue collar jobs also, where GM has over 50,000
> engineers. The Japanese automakers have brainwashed us into thinking
> that buying their car is an investment in this country. I say we buy
> from the Big Three and take our economy back.


Why would I want to buy a unreliable car made by overpaid monkey wrench
turners?

JT