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Old May 5th 06, 09:10 PM posted to rec.autos.tech,rec.autos.makers.jeep+willys,alt.autos.dodge.trucks,rec.autos.makers.chrysler
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http://www.onecircuit.com/prtbad4u.html

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Old May 6th 06, 10:02 AM posted to rec.autos.tech,rec.autos.makers.jeep+willys,alt.autos.dodge.trucks,rec.autos.makers.chrysler
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"ajcrm125" > wrote in message
ps.com...
> http://www.onecircuit.com/prtbad4u.html
>


This is all very interesting, but it happened back in 2002, and I
have to ask if Phoenix has remained as bad as this for the last
FOUR YEARS then why are they still in business?

I also will repeat what I said back in October on the Chrysler newsgroup
regarding these folks:

"The cheapest remanufacturer/rebuilder in the country that rebuilds these
and ships them out all over the country that I've seen advertised is
Phoenix Hard Parts in Phoenix AZ, they sell them for $625. But, this is
without converter, and shipping is an additional $260, plus you have to
pay to ship your core to them which is at least another $200 or so in
shipping costs, plus if your core has anything seriously wrong with it -
like a broken gear in it - they don't accept the core and you get no core
refund.
And while they advertise American-made parts, they don't advertise
American-made 'hard parts' (ie: gears) which is what really matters since
the gears are what take the power and cheap gears will fall apart under
load."

Also I'll say one other thing about this website. You bought a
transmission from them and halfway through decided to back out
of the deal. Up to that point they showed a perfect willingness to
work with you. After that point they dug in their heels. You observed
this yourself. What you don't understand is that even the best
rebuilders can make mistakes. If your paying a mechanic $2200
to do a turn key job on a transmission, he's damn well going to
test the vehicle 6 ways to Sunday before you get it back, and
if he happened to sub out the rebuild job to a place like Phoenix
and the same problems happened, you would never know about
them because he would be eating the labor costs. But if you
elect to try to save $600 or so by doing your own project
management then your going to have to learn to deal with stuff
like this. And nickel and dime items like bitching about a banged
up oil pan is rediculous. If Les was doing his job he would have
not used the dented pan he would have used your pan, and he
would have tested the vehicle when he got it put back together,
you would have not had it blow up on you 5 blocks away from
Les's shop.

If your going to use a professional mechanic to do work on your
vehicle then you let HIM buy the parts, you don't go buying them
yourself and giving them to him to put in. If you think you know
better than the mechanic, then you should be doing the service
work, not him.

Ted


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Old May 6th 06, 12:08 PM posted to rec.autos.tech,rec.autos.makers.jeep+willys,alt.autos.dodge.trucks,rec.autos.makers.chrysler
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ajcrm125 wrote:
> http://www.onecircuit.com/prtbad4u.html


I suspect the problem is not with ALL Phoenix Remanufactured
Transmissiotn, but only the one that you happened to get. The real
issue is whether they were willing to make it right, and it would
appear that they were. Looks like the problem is on your end.

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Old May 6th 06, 07:14 PM posted to rec.autos.tech,rec.autos.makers.jeep+willys,alt.autos.dodge.trucks,rec.autos.makers.chrysler
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2 meesed up transmissions and torque converters and you think this is
coincedence? Come on....
> You bought a transmission from them and halfway through decided to back out
>of the deal. Up to that point they showed a perfect willingness to work with you.

Me backing out of the deal is completely understandable as I simply
can't afford to wait a month or so as they continuously send me
trannies, hoping to get one that works.

The fact that they showed a willingness to work with me to solve the
problem means nothing if their quality is unaccaptable. Look at it
this way: if I hire some guys to do the drywall on my new house and
it's obvious after a few days on the job that they have no clue what
their doing, does the fact that they're willing to work with me to
solve the problem mean anything? How's about if I gave them another
week and saw no improvements? I mean it's nice that they offered... but
I don't have the time to wait and see if they can eventually get it
right. The solution is to fire them and hire someone compitent to
finish the job.

>What you don't understand is that even the best rebuilders can make mistakes.

You're assuming I'm not a gearhead? Nobody's perfect and this is why I
was willing to give it another go.
After the 2nd one I gave up.

>And nickel and dime items like bitching about a banged up oil pan is rediculous.

I agree.. and I could care less about the pan. It's merely an
indication as to what to expect from the transmission as a whole.

I have to aggree with you however that this incident happened several
years ago. However I'm still getting emails from other Phoenix
customers but have yet to post them on the website. (I just moved
domains)
I appreciate the honest opinions here though....

-Adam

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Old May 6th 06, 08:25 PM posted to rec.autos.tech,rec.autos.makers.jeep+willys,alt.autos.dodge.trucks,rec.autos.makers.chrysler
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Ted Mittelstaedt wrote:
> "ajcrm125" > wrote in message
> ps.com...
> > http://www.onecircuit.com/prtbad4u.html
> >

>
> This is all very interesting, but it happened back in 2002, and I
> have to ask if Phoenix has remained as bad as this for the last
> FOUR YEARS then why are they still in business?
>
> I also will repeat what I said back in October on the Chrysler newsgroup
> regarding these folks:
>
> "The cheapest remanufacturer/rebuilder in the country that rebuilds these
> and ships them out all over the country that I've seen advertised is
> Phoenix Hard Parts in Phoenix AZ, they sell them for $625. But, this is
> without converter, and shipping is an additional $260, plus you have to
> pay to ship your core to them which is at least another $200 or so in
> shipping costs, plus if your core has anything seriously wrong with it -
> like a broken gear in it - they don't accept the core and you get no core
> refund.
> And while they advertise American-made parts, they don't advertise
> American-made 'hard parts' (ie: gears) which is what really matters since
> the gears are what take the power and cheap gears will fall apart under
> load."
>
> Also I'll say one other thing about this website. You bought a
> transmission from them and halfway through decided to back out
> of the deal. Up to that point they showed a perfect willingness to
> work with you. After that point they dug in their heels. You observed
> this yourself. What you don't understand is that even the best
> rebuilders can make mistakes. If your paying a mechanic $2200
> to do a turn key job on a transmission, he's damn well going to
> test the vehicle 6 ways to Sunday before you get it back, and
> if he happened to sub out the rebuild job to a place like Phoenix
> and the same problems happened, you would never know about
> them because he would be eating the labor costs. But if you
> elect to try to save $600 or so by doing your own project
> management then your going to have to learn to deal with stuff
> like this. And nickel and dime items like bitching about a banged
> up oil pan is rediculous. If Les was doing his job he would have
> not used the dented pan he would have used your pan, and he
> would have tested the vehicle when he got it put back together,
> you would have not had it blow up on you 5 blocks away from
> Les's shop.
>
> If your going to use a professional mechanic to do work on your
> vehicle then you let HIM buy the parts, you don't go buying them
> yourself and giving them to him to put in. If you think you know
> better than the mechanic, then you should be doing the service
> work, not him.
>
> Ted


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Ditto

what Ted said.




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Old May 6th 06, 09:32 PM posted to rec.autos.tech,rec.autos.makers.jeep+willys,alt.autos.dodge.trucks,rec.autos.makers.chrysler
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"John S." > wrote in message
ups.com...
>
> ajcrm125 wrote:
> > http://www.onecircuit.com/prtbad4u.html

>
> I suspect the problem is not with ALL Phoenix Remanufactured
> Transmissiotn, but only the one that you happened to get. The real
> issue is whether they were willing to make it right, and it would
> appear that they were. Looks like the problem is on your end.


Everybody wants to save a buck, but sometimes our efforts end up
getting us deeper in the poop. These are hard lessons to be learned.


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Old May 10th 06, 11:33 AM posted to rec.autos.tech,rec.autos.makers.jeep+willys,alt.autos.dodge.trucks,rec.autos.makers.chrysler
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"ajcrm125" > wrote in message
oups.com...
> 2 meesed up transmissions and torque converters and you think this is
> coincedence? Come on....


No, but as I said, you elected to be your own project manager
on this deal.

Here is how a professional mechanic would have handled this, who
had never dealt with Phoenix before, and was testing them out on
a customer.

At the point you were at, on the second broken trans and converter,
the professional would give up and eat the cost and get the transmission
from someone else. He would of course never use Phoenix ever again.
But, he would have the attitude that this was a test, and would not
have set his expectations too high. To him, the value of learning that
Phoenix is a POS rebuilder is probably worth the cost of a rebuilt
transmission.

To you, since your only doing a single transmission, finding out
that Phoenix was a bunch of ****-heads doesen't have any value
at all. So far this is understood..

But, what your not recognizing is that when you decide to play
in the big boys arena, you always take the risk that your going to
find out that a supplier is a ****-head. The big boys consider
this an acceptable risk and part of doing business. You aren't,
when you need to be.

When I decided to go ahead and do the R&R on my own A604
last summer, I always knew from the beginning that I might possibly
get myself in over my head, for example $1000 into the vehicle, I
would be calling the tow truck to tow the entire pile to the junkyard.
But, I made the decision to take the risk of this happening before
I even bought the vehicle with a bad tranny. The greater the risk
the greater the reward, but it is always still risk. If we all took risks
and none of us ever failed on a risk we took, then none of us would
really be taking any risks now, would we?

You chose to project-manage your transmission rebuild rather
than paying someone else to do it. Thus, when the risk fails
(through no fault of your own) because a supplier lies and doesen't
measure up, well then you must take the bad with the good, write
it off and move on because that is what risk is all about.

> > You bought a transmission from them and halfway through decided to back

out
> >of the deal. Up to that point they showed a perfect willingness to work

with you.
> Me backing out of the deal is completely understandable as I simply
> can't afford to wait a month or so as they continuously send me
> trannies, hoping to get one that works.
>


It's the way you backed out that I think was the problem. There's a
right way and a wrong way. You got to keep in mind that at that
point, they had your money, you had nothing, that is they had all
the cards. You have to, well there's no better way to say it so I'll
just say it, you have no choice but to kiss their ass. You have to
be really nice, really polite, a bit firm, and never say anything to
burn your bridges. All you really had to do after trans #2 failed
was to take the next trans from them, spend a couple minutes putting
a few greasy fingerprints on it, then call them and lie like a dog
and say you spent lots of money and trans #3 didn't work, and
send that back without even connecting it to the engine. You do this
a few more times and they are eventually going to give up. Of course,
once you get your money back than you blast the **** out of them
with your website. ;-)

> The fact that they showed a willingness to work with me to solve the
> problem means nothing if their quality is unaccaptable. Look at it
> this way: if I hire some guys to do the drywall on my new house and
> it's obvious after a few days on the job that they have no clue what
> their doing, does the fact that they're willing to work with me to
> solve the problem mean anything?
> How's about if I gave them another
> week and saw no improvements? I mean it's nice that they offered... but
> I don't have the time to wait and see if they can eventually get it
> right. The solution is to fire them and hire someone compitent to
> finish the job.
>


that's an apples to oranges comparison. When you hire folks like
this the usual procedure is half down, half on completion.

> >What you don't understand is that even the best rebuilders can make

mistakes.
> You're assuming I'm not a gearhead? Nobody's perfect and this is why I
> was willing to give it another go.
> After the 2nd one I gave up.
>
> >And nickel and dime items like bitching about a banged up oil pan is

rediculous.
> I agree.. and I could care less about the pan. It's merely an
> indication as to what to expect from the transmission as a whole.
>
> I have to aggree with you however that this incident happened several
> years ago. However I'm still getting emails from other Phoenix
> customers but have yet to post them on the website. (I just moved
> domains)


Post 'em!

Ted


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Old May 10th 06, 11:36 AM posted to rec.autos.tech,rec.autos.makers.jeep+willys,alt.autos.dodge.trucks,rec.autos.makers.chrysler
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> wrote in message
news
>
> "John S." > wrote in message
> ups.com...
> >
> > ajcrm125 wrote:
> > > http://www.onecircuit.com/prtbad4u.html

> >
> > I suspect the problem is not with ALL Phoenix Remanufactured
> > Transmissiotn, but only the one that you happened to get. The real
> > issue is whether they were willing to make it right, and it would
> > appear that they were. Looks like the problem is on your end.

>
> Everybody wants to save a buck, but sometimes our efforts end up
> getting us deeper in the poop. These are hard lessons to be learned.
>

You have to be espically careful when what your paying for is
primariarly labor. Good craftspeople with experience almost
always have a pretty good idea of their value, and don't work
very cheap.

Ted


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Old May 10th 06, 01:03 PM posted to rec.autos.tech,rec.autos.makers.jeep+willys,alt.autos.dodge.trucks,rec.autos.makers.chrysler
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wrote:
> "John S." > wrote in message
> ups.com...
> >
> > ajcrm125 wrote:
> > >
http://www.onecircuit.com/prtbad4u.html
> >
> > I suspect the problem is not with ALL Phoenix Remanufactured
> > Transmissiotn, but only the one that you happened to get. The real
> > issue is whether they were willing to make it right, and it would
> > appear that they were. Looks like the problem is on your end.

>
> Everybody wants to save a buck, but sometimes our efforts end up
> getting us deeper in the poop. These are hard lessons to be learned.


Not sure I understand what you are saying. Are you implying that
Phoenix reman transmissions are of poor quality?

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Old May 10th 06, 04:58 PM posted to rec.autos.tech,rec.autos.makers.jeep+willys,alt.autos.dodge.trucks,rec.autos.makers.chrysler
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"John S." > wrote in message
oups.com...
>
> wrote:
> > "John S." > wrote in message
> > ups.com...
> > >
> > > ajcrm125 wrote:
> > > >
http://www.onecircuit.com/prtbad4u.html
> > >
> > > I suspect the problem is not with ALL Phoenix Remanufactured
> > > Transmissiotn, but only the one that you happened to get. The real
> > > issue is whether they were willing to make it right, and it would
> > > appear that they were. Looks like the problem is on your end.

> >
> > Everybody wants to save a buck, but sometimes our efforts end up
> > getting us deeper in the poop. These are hard lessons to be learned.

>
> Not sure I understand what you are saying. Are you implying that
> Phoenix reman transmissions are of poor quality?
>

No, I believe that is saying, that there are reasons that "do
it yourself" is "usually" a way to save money. One reason is that the diy
customer assumes more risk. You have a chance of getting a bum unit, from
any vendor. For the do-it-yourselfer, this is a significant event and an
enormous pain in the neck. For a commercial shop, they recognize that it
happens once in a while, and deal with it.

This is not to say that the ordinary customer cannot benefit from doing his
own work. What it does say, is that sooner or later, if you replace enough
parts, you are going to get a bad one, and it is not really anyone's fault.
If you cannot handle it, when this happens, either financially, emotionally,
or in terms of lost time, then have other people do your work for you.

Earle


 




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