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New law: $3,000 traffic fines for U.S. citizens, but NO fines for illegal alien drivers!



 
 
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Old July 2nd 07, 06:56 AM posted to rec.autos.driving,ca.driving
GeorgeWashingtonAdmirer
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Default New law: $3,000 traffic fines for U.S. citizens, but NO fines for illegal alien drivers!

As an admitted traffic safety enthusiast who's on his third Volvo, far be
it for me to criticize measures which penalize motorists for driving
irresponsibly.

HOWEVER, what the HELL are the politicians in Virginia thinking by fining
*legal* drivers who are U.S. citizens over $1,300 for driving 20 mph over
the speed limit WHILE NOT FINING ILLEGAL ALIENS A NICKEL for committing the
same offense?

This new law is not just an insult or abuse or affront to my fellow
Americans in Virginia but constitutes INTOLERABLE TYRANNY! It's bad enough
here in California where drunk illegal alien drivers are EVERYWHERE, yet
are seemingly immune from the law but this new outrage in Virginia
positively takes the cake!

ANYONE with ANY sense of justice and sanity can see that this situation
constitutes outright OPPRESSION of U.S. citizens.

Apparently the politicians in Virginia are hell-bent on making Lenin's
maxim a reality; to paraphrase, "They will sell us the rope with which we
will hang them." In this case Americans are being ordered to pay for the
infrastructure that we will then be expected to hand over to the illegals
(and the illegals' anchor babies) who snuck into their country.

This is similar to the new law proposed last year by California Senator
"One-Bill Gil" Cedillo (scroll down) to exempt illegal aliens -- who are
not even allowed to drive in California -- from having their vehicles
impounded while continuing the current policy of impounding the vehicles of
legal American citizen drivers for a full month.

Be sure to read ITEM #2 below, "Illegal Aliens and HB3202"!
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ITEM:

Virginia to issue traffic fines as high as $3,000

By Dennis Cauchon, USA TODAY

Virginia is for lovers, or so the state slogan has declared since 1969.
Starting Sunday, Virginia also will be the home of the $3,000 traffic
ticket.

In an effort to raise money for road projects, the state will start hitting
residents [BUT *NOT* ILLEGAL ALIENS! -- GWA] who commit serious traffic
offenses with huge civil penalties ...

The civil penalty for going 20 mph over the speed limit will be $1,050,
plus $61 in court costs and a fine that is typically about $200 ...

"It's outrageous," says traffic court attorney Thaddeus Furlong of
Springfield, Va. "When Mr. and Mrs. Middle Class find out what they have to
pay, there's going to be a backlash like you've never seen." ...

Another difference: The civil penalties apply only to Virginia residents,
not out-of-state drivers. Virginians must pay in three installments over 26
months or lose their licenses. The state Legislature didn't think it could
enforce the extra penalties in other states.

Motorist club AAA Mid-Atlantic supports the new penalties.

[GWAdmirer: HA! The *SAME* $AAA$ -- and I've been a Premier member for
years -- which does NOTHING about the millions of (often drunk/drugged)
illegal alien drivers off our roads!]

http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/...ing-laws_N.htm
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ITEM:

Illegal Aliens and HB3202

Last night Delegate Bob Marshall left a very interesting comment he

"Have your readers considered the fact that under HB 3202, the so-called
"Transportation" bill, that after July 1 persons with a valid Virginia
license should receive higher fines for traffic infractions than illegal
aliens who say have driver's licenses from a Central or South American
country, or from East Europe, or East Asia or anywhere else?

Because that is precisely what HB 3202 does. It says, Illegal Alien, you
get a smaller fine than a Virginia resident with a valid driver's license.

Why the Virginia General Assembly, especially Republicans who say they want
to crack down on Illegal Aliens, and the Governor wanted to treat Virginia
drivers harsher than Illegal Aliens is a question I cannot answer."

What Bob is talking about is the $1,050 part of the new fines that exempts
anyone who is not from Virginia. While that is outrageous on its own- it
hadn't occurred to me until Bob left this comment that would also exclude
people here illegally and still residents of other countries. So for the
same crime, an illegal alien who lives on my street gets fined $1,050 less
than I would... As BVBL just said this morning: "It¡¦s official. Our
government treats illegal aliens better than it does it¡¦s own citizens."

This bill is stunning in its incompetence, arrogance and ineptitude.

The media needs to get on this fast.

http://notlarrysabato.typepad.com/do...l-aliens-.html
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ITEM: May 7, 2005

Vehicle impound exemption proposed for illegal immigrants

Senator pushes to exempt illegal immigrants' vehicles from being
impounded

By Harrison Sheppard Staff Writer

SACRAMENTO - Stymied by his efforts to provide driver's licenses to
illegal immigrants, Sen. Gil Cedillo, D-Los Angeles, has proposed a
measure that would exempt undocumented motorists from vehicle-impound
laws. Under current law, police can impound for 30 days the vehicle of
a motorist caught driving without a valid license. Cedillo's bill
would exempt those who don't have a license simply because they are
not legal U.S. residents.

Cedillo said law enforcement resources should be dedicated to pursuing
serious driving offenses such as drunk driving, not licensing
violations by undocumented immigrants.

[GWAdmirer: Analogy to the above: "So why bother with cases of unlicensed
doctors -- just make sure whoever performs an operation isn't drunk."]

"That's what the money should be spent for, not towing people's cars
who are taking their citizen-kids to school, church or the
supermarket," Cedillo said. "It's just a bad policy and it doesn't
make sense."

Unlike his measure that would make illegal immigrants eligible for
licenses, which was repealed under pressure from Gov. Arnold
Schwarzenegger, Cedillo has pushed for his new bill quietly.

In fact, one of the strongest opponents to Cedillo's driver's-license
measure, Mike Spence, president of the conservative group California
Republican Assembly, was unaware of the latest bill until contacted
for comment.

[GWAdmirer: They tried to sneak THIS putrid outrage past The People just as
they later tried to do on a national level with the amnesty bill.]

Spence said the bill appears to apply a "double standard" because
legal residents whose licenses were suspended or revoked still would
be punished.

"If you're a citizen and you break one law, your car will be impounded
for 30 days. If you're already breaking another law and you break this
law, you get away with it free. It's a
"Get-your-car-out-of-impound-free card' for illegal aliens, and it's
wrong."

His sentiment was echoed by at least one local immigration activist,
who added that by making the proposal, Cedillo himself is breaking the
law.

"He's not interesed in abiding by the law, as his oath of office
requires him," said Andy Ramirez, chairman of Friends of the Border
Patrol, a Chino group that supports Border Patrol agents. "The only
thing he's interesed in is breaking the law and allowing lawbreakers
to do just that.' ...

Los Angeles police officers say the ability to impound vehicles is a
useful tool for law enforcement. Lt. Steven Allen of the LAPD's Valley
Traffic Division said the law helps discourage unlicensed, uninsured
drivers by making it more expensive.

"I probably get more complaints about this very issue from people who
are involved in traffic accidents than any other issue," Allen said.
"(They say) "Here I am in this country legally and I have a driver's
license and I get rear-ended by someone who has no license, who is
here illegally and has no insurance. How am I ever going to get money
for the damage to my car?"'

Valley Traffic runs operations several times a month, targeting areas
where there are frequent hit-and-runs to check for driver's licenses
and registrations. The operations usually result in anywhere from 80
to 120 impounds each time.

Allen said there is no reason to drive without a license because
police are required to recognize valid licenses from other countries,
so those who are here illegally should at least maintain a legal
license from their native country.

[GWAdmirer: LOL! Driving without licenses, driving without any training,
driving without insurance or registration -- even KIDS driving -- is COMMON
"their native countries"!]
************************************************** ***********************
PLEASE EMAIL THESE LINKS TO EVERYONE YOU KNOW:

"The Illegal-Alien Crime Wave" by Heather MacDonald
http://www.City-Journal.org/html/14_...gal_alien.html

www.PredatoryAliens.com
www.ImmigrationsHumanCost.org
www.DayLaborers.org
www.Alipac.us
www.ImmigrationWatchdog.com
www.AmericanPatrol.com
www.SaveOurState.org
www.EscapingJustice.com
www.MothersAgainstIllegalAliens.org
See the COLOSSAL costs of illegal aliens to the American taxpayer:
www.ImmigrationCounters.com
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"Por La Raza todo. Fuera de La Raza nada"
("For The Race everything, for those outside The Race nothing")

-- Motto of MEChA, one of the nation's largest publically-funded
organizations with cells on high school and college campuses across the USA
(Note: Attorney General Alberto Gonzalez says he "used to be" a member)
---------------------------------------------
¡§How Eisenhower solved illegal border crossings from Mexico¡¨
By John Dillin
http://www.csmonitor.com/2006/0706/p09s01-coop.html

Excerpt:

¡§General Eisenhower ... quoted a report in The New York Times,
highlighting one paragraph that said: ¡¥The rise in illegal border-crossing
by Mexican 'wetbacks' to a current rate of more than
1,000,000 cases a year has been accompanied by a curious relaxation
in ethical standards extending all the way from the farmer-exploiters
of this contraband labor to the highest levels of the Federal
Government ..."

¡§Herbert Brownell Jr., Eisenhower's first attorney general, said the
president had a sense of urgency about illegal immigration when he took
office.

¡§America ¡¥was faced with a breakdown in law enforcement on a very large
scale,¡¦ Mr. Brownell said. ¡¥When I say large scale, I mean hundreds of
thousands were coming in from Mexico [every year] without restraint.¡¦"
--------------------------------------------------
Just two of MANY American cops murdered by illegals:
www.DeputyDavidMarch.com
www.KrisEggle.org

"Unfortunately, the majority of illegal aliens who are here are engaged in
criminal activity. Identity theft, use of fraudulent Social Security
numbers and green cards, tax evasion, driving without licenses represent
some of the crimes that are engaged in by the majority of illegal aliens on
a daily basis merely to maintain and hide their illegal status. In
addition, violent crime and drug distribution and possession is also
prevalent among illegal aliens. Over 25% of today's federal prison
population are illegal aliens. In some areas of the country, 12% of
felonies, 25% of burglaries and 34% of thefts are committed by illegal
aliens."

-- Testimony of District Attorney John M. Morganelli before the House
Subcommittee on Immigration, Border, Security and Claims [Note: 99% of
warrants for murder in Los Angeles, California -- the USA's 2nd
most-populous city -- are for illegal aliens]

"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate,
tireless minority keen on setting brushfires of freedom in the minds of
men."
-- Samuel Adams

"¡§All great truths begin as heresies.¡¨

-- Former Democrat Governor of Colorado Richard Lamm, official of
Defend Colorado Now, a movement opposed to illegal immigration
and public services for illegal aliens
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Old July 2nd 07, 04:24 PM posted to rec.autos.driving,ca.driving
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Default New law: $3,000 traffic fines for U.S. citizens, but NO fines for illegal alien drivers!

On Jul 2, 1:56 am, GeorgeWashingtonAdmirer >
wrote:
> As an admitted traffic safety enthusiast who's on his third Volvo, far be
> it for me to criticize measures which penalize motorists for driving
> irresponsibly.
>
> HOWEVER, what the HELL are the politicians in Virginia thinking by fining
> *legal* drivers who are U.S. citizens over $1,300 for driving 20 mph over
> the speed limit WHILE NOT FINING ILLEGAL ALIENS A NICKEL for committing the
> same offense?
>


> read more No thanks.. becaue you are missing the point.


Why are you obsessed with undocumented aliens. This has nothing to do
with them.

You should be fretting over how law enforcement in this country is
COMPLETELY OUT OF CONTROL.

A $3k fine for a traffic violation. Let's just all start saying "ZEIG
HEIL" right now... Cops are running mad in this country, and nothing
is being done because everyone is either afraid-- or they are cop ass-
kissers.

Who the **** CARES about undocumented aliens.

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Old July 2nd 07, 05:30 PM posted to rec.autos.driving,ca.driving,alt.politics.immigration
Speeders & Drunk Drivers are MURDERERS[_1_]
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Default New law: $3,000 traffic fines for U.S. citizens, but NO finesfor illegal alien drivers!

GeorgeWashingtonAdmirer wrote:
> As an admitted traffic safety enthusiast who's on his third Volvo, far be
> it for me to criticize measures which penalize motorists for driving
> irresponsibly.
>
> HOWEVER, what the HELL are the politicians in Virginia thinking by fining
> *legal* drivers who are U.S. citizens over $1,300 for driving 20 mph over
> the speed limit WHILE NOT FINING ILLEGAL ALIENS A NICKEL for committing the
> same offense?
>
> This new law is not just an insult or abuse or affront to my fellow
> Americans in Virginia but constitutes INTOLERABLE TYRANNY! It's bad enough
> here in California where drunk illegal alien drivers are EVERYWHERE, yet
> are seemingly immune from the law but this new outrage in Virginia
> positively takes the cake!
>
> ANYONE with ANY sense of justice and sanity can see that this situation
> constitutes outright OPPRESSION of U.S. citizens.
>
> Apparently the politicians in Virginia are hell-bent on making Lenin's
> maxim a reality; to paraphrase, "They will sell us the rope with which we
> will hang them." In this case Americans are being ordered to pay for the
> infrastructure that we will then be expected to hand over to the illegals
> (and the illegals' anchor babies) who snuck into their country.
>
> This is similar to the new law proposed last year by California Senator
> "One-Bill Gil" Cedillo (scroll down) to exempt illegal aliens -- who are
> not even allowed to drive in California -- from having their vehicles
> impounded while continuing the current policy of impounding the vehicles of
> legal American citizen drivers for a full month.
>


I'm all for hitting extreme speeders with huge fines but of course it
should apply to illegals as much or even more so. This is just another
example of politicians bought off by the corporations making fortunes
off the cheap illegal labor. Not much the voters can do since both
parties have been corrupted. This will have to be resolved outside the
law if you know what i mean.
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Old July 3rd 07, 12:23 AM posted to rec.autos.driving,ca.driving,alt.politics.immigration
Murderous Speeding Drunken Driver
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Default New law: $3,000 traffic fines for U.S. citizens, but NO fines for illegal alien drivers!

Speeders & Drunk Drivers are MURDERERS wrote:
>GeorgeWashingtonAdmirer wrote:
>> As an admitted traffic safety enthusiast who's on his third Volvo, far be
>> it for me to criticize measures which penalize motorists for driving
>> irresponsibly.
>>
>> HOWEVER, what the HELL are the politicians in Virginia thinking by fining
>> *legal* drivers who are U.S. citizens over $1,300 for driving 20 mph over
>> the speed limit WHILE NOT FINING ILLEGAL ALIENS A NICKEL for committing the
>> same offense?
>>
>> This new law is not just an insult or abuse or affront to my fellow
>> Americans in Virginia but constitutes INTOLERABLE TYRANNY! It's bad enough
>> here in California where drunk illegal alien drivers are EVERYWHERE, yet
>> are seemingly immune from the law but this new outrage in Virginia
>> positively takes the cake!
>>
>> ANYONE with ANY sense of justice and sanity can see that this situation
>> constitutes outright OPPRESSION of U.S. citizens.
>>
>> Apparently the politicians in Virginia are hell-bent on making Lenin's
>> maxim a reality; to paraphrase, "They will sell us the rope with which we
>> will hang them." In this case Americans are being ordered to pay for the
>> infrastructure that we will then be expected to hand over to the illegals
>> (and the illegals' anchor babies) who snuck into their country.
>>
>> This is similar to the new law proposed last year by California Senator
>> "One-Bill Gil" Cedillo (scroll down) to exempt illegal aliens -- who are
>> not even allowed to drive in California -- from having their vehicles
>> impounded while continuing the current policy of impounding the vehicles of
>> legal American citizen drivers for a full month.
>>

>
>I'm all for hitting extreme speeders with huge fines but of course it
>should apply to illegals as much or even more so. This is just another
>example of politicians bought off by the corporations making fortunes
>off the cheap illegal labor. Not much the voters can do since both
>parties have been corrupted. This will have to be resolved outside the
>law if you know what i mean.


It should also apply to the idiots who are making this policy. You can
bet your bottom dollar this wouldn't be going through if they would be
accountable to the same standards they hold their constituency to.


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Old July 3rd 07, 12:24 AM posted to rec.autos.driving
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Default New law: $3,000 traffic fines for U.S. citizens, but NO fines for illegal alien drivers!

Scott en Aztlán wrote:
>GeorgeWashingtonAdmirer > said in
>rec.autos.driving:
>
>> As an admitted traffic safety enthusiast who's on his third Volvo, far be
>>it for me to criticize measures which penalize motorists for driving
>>irresponsibly.
>>
>> HOWEVER, what the HELL are the politicians in Virginia thinking by fining
>>*legal* drivers who are U.S. citizens over $1,300 for driving 20 mph over
>>the speed limit WHILE NOT FINING ILLEGAL ALIENS A NICKEL for committing the
>>same offense?
>>
>> This new law is not just an insult or abuse or affront to my fellow
>>Americans in Virginia but constitutes INTOLERABLE TYRANNY!

>
>So what are you, personally, doing to get this "intolerable" law
>changed?


I, for one, am staying the hell out of Virginia, even though as a
"non-resident" I have some favored status.

There wasn't much motivation for me to visit the state in the first
place; there's even less now.


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Old July 3rd 07, 05:30 AM posted to rec.autos.driving,ca.driving,alt.politics.immigration
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Default New law: $3,000 traffic fines for U.S. citizens, but NO fines for illegal alien drivers!

Speeders & Drunk Drivers are MURDERERS:
> I'm all for hitting extreme speeders with huge fines but of course it
> should apply to illegals as much or even more so. This is just another


You mean like the illegal that knocked up your mother 9 months before
you were born, el faggio???

> example of politicians bought off by the corporations making fortunes
> off the cheap illegal labor. Not much the voters can do since both
> parties have been corrupted. This will have to be resolved outside the
> law if you know what i mean.


No, we son't know what you mean. You talking sedition???

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close to 7 million jooz. Another monstrous lie just like the 9-11
official story. "

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