How recalls really should be done

Clive wrote:
> In message >, PeterD
> > writes
>> Why is it that people don't understand that recalls are for safety
>> defects not product quality? I don't think we see many manifolds
>> causing accidents!
> A defective manifold could well be leaking poisonous fumes into your car
> that you can't smell, but will send you to sleep and into a tree to kill
> you if everyone else is lucky, or you just might smash into an oncoming
> vehicle killing both you and them, is that fair?

Intake manifolds don't "leak poisonous fumes."

On 15/02/2010 11:38 AM, Steve wrote:
> Clive wrote:
>> In message >, PeterD
>> > writes
>>> Why is it that people don't understand that recalls are for safety
>>> defects not product quality? I don't think we see many manifolds
>>> causing accidents!
>> A defective manifold could well be leaking poisonous fumes into your
>> car that you can't smell, but will send you to sleep and into a tree
>> to kill you if everyone else is lucky, or you just might smash into an
>> oncoming vehicle killing both you and them, is that fair?
>
> Intake manifolds don't "leak poisonous fumes."

http://www.reuters.com/article/domes...53D31P20090414

No fumes, just fires.

Maybe even burn your home down:

http://www.usatoday.com/money/autos/...oe-probe_N.htm

Your point?

In message >, Canuck57
> writes
>> Intake manifolds don't "leak poisonous fumes."
>
>http://www.reuters.com/article/domes...53D31P20090414
>
>No fumes, just fires.
Having just read it, I notice there is no reference to stopping the oil
leak, just an attempt at fire prevention.
--
Clive

On 15/02/2010 1:08 PM, Clive wrote:
> In message >, Canuck57
> > writes
>>> Intake manifolds don't "leak poisonous fumes."
>>
>> http://www.reuters.com/article/domes...53D31P20090414
>>
>> No fumes, just fires.

> Having just read it, I notice there is no reference to stopping the oil
> leak, just an attempt at fire prevention.

Good point.

Clive wrote:
> In message >, Canuck57
> > writes
>>> Intake manifolds don't "leak poisonous fumes."
>>
>> http://www.reuters.com/article/domes...53D31P20090414
>>
>> No fumes, just fires.
> Having just read it, I notice there is no reference to stopping the oil
> leak, just an attempt at fire prevention.

All engines will eventually leak a small amount of oil. It just
shouldn't be channeled to a place where it can start a fire that could
spread.

In message >, Steve
> writes
>All engines will eventually leak a small amount of oil. It just
>shouldn't be channeled to a place where it can start a fire that could
>spread.
Perhaps you should tell my eight year old Nissan that, it obviously
hasn't heard, though it might start leaking tomorrow, I'll have to wait
and see.
--
Clive

"Clive" > wrote in message
...
> In message >, Steve
> > writes
>>All engines will eventually leak a small amount of oil. It just shouldn't
>>be channeled to a place where it can start a fire that could spread.
> Perhaps you should tell my eight year old Nissan that, it obviously hasn't
> heard, though it might start leaking tomorrow, I'll have to wait and see.
> --
> Clive
>

He is right, but it can take a long time these days. My cars from the 50's
through 80's all had some drips but my '91 took over 10 years for any signs
of oil and it was a couple of drops a week, my '01 LeSabre, for all its
fault, does not leak a drop. Eventually, front and rear seals will wear or
a valve cover gasket will leak, but it may be years before I see it.

In the case of my '53 Mercury, if it was liquid, it leaked.

In message >, Ed Pawlowski
> writes
>In the case of my '53 Mercury, if it was liquid, it leaked.
Now that is what the old British designs did.
--
Clive

On 16/02/2010 3:29 PM, Steve wrote:
> Clive wrote:
>> In message >, Canuck57
>> > writes
>>>> Intake manifolds don't "leak poisonous fumes."
>>>
>>> http://www.reuters.com/article/domes...53D31P20090414
>>>
>>> No fumes, just fires.
>> Having just read it, I notice there is no reference to stopping the
>> oil leak, just an attempt at fire prevention.
>
> All engines will eventually leak a small amount of oil. It just
> shouldn't be channeled to a place where it can start a fire that could
> spread.

My 13 1/2 year old Nissan Pathfinder didn't leak, had 200,000++ on the odo.

No real reason for them to leak other than a cheap design. Not
ergonomic and green either.

Canuck57 wrote:

> On 16/02/2010 3:29 PM, Steve wrote:
>> Clive wrote:
>>> In message >, Canuck57
>>> > writes
>>>>> Intake manifolds don't "leak poisonous fumes."
>>>>
>>>> http://www.reuters.com/article/domes...53D31P20090414
>>>>
>>>> No fumes, just fires.
>>> Having just read it, I notice there is no reference to stopping the
>>> oil leak, just an attempt at fire prevention.
>>
>> All engines will eventually leak a small amount of oil. It just
>> shouldn't be channeled to a place where it can start a fire that could
>> spread.
>
> My 13 1/2 year old Nissan Pathfinder didn't leak, had 200,000++ on the
> odo.
>
> No real reason for them to leak other than a cheap design. Not
> ergonomic and green either.
You must never have owned an old flathead engine with cork gaskets! Even
with new gaskets, I still get little "weeps" every once in a while. Plus,
having to clean the road tube, or some oil comes out of there also. I am
talking about a 1941 Windsor. My 48 Plymouth, 40 Royal also leaked a little
oil, but the old flatheads were dead-on reliable.