LIDAR Trial this Week

In article .com>,
wrote:

> It's not free. You must pay for the book, just as you must pay for
> membership in the NMA.

OK - then you're all set.

> It's not free. You must pay for the book, just as you must pay for
> membership in the NMA.

unless you borrow it off peer to peer

> Hmm. Too bad. Do you think a district court judge in Mass. or the state
> police prosecutor would be aware of this newer case?

yea i'm sure all the courts are up to date specially since they have been
using lidar for quite a while now.

if i were you i'd try that strategy in your book.. it can't hurt.

Ivan wrote:
> In article . com>,
> wrote:
>
>
>>Hmm. Too bad. Do you think a district court judge in Mass. or the state
>>police prosecutor would be aware of this newer case?
>
>
> Hm. Does your wonderful e-book have all the answers?

The ebook in question and the Nat. Mot. Assoc. offer conflicting
advice on several issues.

For example, the ebook strongly advises against a jury trial while
NMA advises that you should request a jury trial.
I myself think that the ebook is right--you are asking for trouble
is you ask for a jury trial.

In article > ,
223rem > wrote:

> Ivan wrote:
> > In article . com>,
> > wrote:
> >
> >
> >>Hmm. Too bad. Do you think a district court judge in Mass. or the state
> >>police prosecutor would be aware of this newer case?
> >
> >
> > Hm. Does your wonderful e-book have all the answers?
>
> The ebook in question and the Nat. Mot. Assoc. offer conflicting
> advice on several issues.
>
> For example, the ebook strongly advises against a jury trial while
> NMA advises that you should request a jury trial.
> I myself think that the ebook is right--you are asking for trouble
> is you ask for a jury trial.


You're right, here lies the difference - but: NMA does NOT advise that
you should request a jury trial in Massachusetts, where this particular
violations occurred, because you can't get one.

And that is the rub: while NMA maintains a network of state chapter
coordinators, activists a volunteers, a book offers one generic advice
for all the states.

Ivan wrote:

>
> You're right, here lies the difference - but: NMA does NOT advise that
> you should request a jury trial in Massachusetts, where this particular
> violations occurred, because you can't get one.

Well, no. I paid for 'instant access' to some of the info on NMA web site
and they specifically state that if you can get a jury trial you should
ask for one. IMO this is asking for trouble -- you're ****ing off the
prosecutor, the judge, etc.

> And that is the rub: while NMA maintains a network of state chapter
> coordinators, activists a volunteers, a book offers one generic advice
> for all the states.

True, but I have the relevant case law for Indiana.
I'll try it in court tomorrow, and I'll let the group know how it worked.

On Tue, 05 Apr 2005 22:23:06 GMT, 223rem > wrote:

>Ivan wrote:
>> In article . com>,
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Hmm. Too bad. Do you think a district court judge in Mass. or the state
>>>police prosecutor would be aware of this newer case?
>>
>>
>> Hm. Does your wonderful e-book have all the answers?
>
>The ebook in question and the Nat. Mot. Assoc. offer conflicting
>advice on several issues.
>
>For example, the ebook strongly advises against a jury trial while
>NMA advises that you should request a jury trial.
>I myself think that the ebook is right--you are asking for trouble
>is you ask for a jury trial.

I have a few lawyer friends.
They all say, on a minor thing like a traffic citation, there are
basically two appeals that can be used: law, and emotion.
If you're going to argue the law, ask for a jury.
If you're going to argue emotion, forget the jury.
For such minor things as traffic citations, most jurors will feel that
theu are being wasted on such things, and will have little pity on
what they will see as a whining loser. Their view is, if you did it
and are just trrying to cry your way out, convict.
However, if you can articulate your way through the actual law, and at
least show that you *thought* you were right, they will usually let
you off.
Interesting.

--
Bill Funk
Change "g" to "a"

Forget about NMA and canned defense.... do your own research...

Here's a link for free (limited) Lexis access (create a fake user ID -
email confirmation NOT required):
http://www.lexisone.com/caselaw/free...CaseSearchForm

Here's an Illinois case that refused to accept Lidar:
http://www.state.il.us/COURT/Opinion...ml/4010094.htm

Here's a similar case in Ohio:
http://www.sconet.state.oh.us/rod/ne...-ohio-4632.pdf


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On Mon, 4 Apr 2005 18:14:43 -0400, "fear"
> wrote:

>> Hmm. Too bad. Do you think a district court judge in Mass. or the state
>> police prosecutor would be aware of this newer case?
>
>yea i'm sure all the courts are up to date specially since they have been
>using lidar for quite a while now.
>
>if i were you i'd try that strategy in your book.. it can't hurt.
>