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  #101  
Old October 27th 07, 12:28 AM posted to rec.autos.makers.ford.mustang
Joe[_27_]
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Default NASTY Lil' Cobra Being Twin Screwed

Michael Johnson > wrote in
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> Joe wrote:
>> Michael Johnson > wrote in
>> :
>>
>>> Joe wrote:
>>>> Michael Johnson > wrote in
>>>> :
>>>>
>>>>> Joe wrote:
>>>>>> Michael Johnson > wrote in
>>>>>> :
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Joe wrote:
>>>>>>>> Michael Johnson > wrote in news:z4qdneu-
>>>>>>>> :
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Joe wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Michael Johnson > wrote in
>>>>>>>>>> :
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Joe wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> Michael Johnson > wrote in
>>>>>>>>>>>> :
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Joe wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Michael Johnson > wrote in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> :
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> My Name Is Nobody wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:1193186694.185363.167230
>>>> @y27g2000pre.googlegroups.com...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Oct 22, 8:40 pm, Michael Johnson >
>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I also think the 2-door model was an excellent idea
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> but
>>>>>> just
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> had poor execution. 2-seaters are supposed to be
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sporty
>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ford's last generation T-bird, at nearly 4,000
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> scale-
>>>>>> busting
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pounds, didn't have a chance. But if they could
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have
>>>>>> gotten
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>>>> Thunder
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [thighs] Bird down to around 3,200, given it a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> slightly
>>>>>> more
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> aggressive stance/look, installed some real thunder
>>>> under
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>> hood
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and given it a competitive price, I think Ford would
>>>> have
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> found
>>>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> nice sales niche.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The reason I think it was a bad idea is they greatly
>>>>>> narrowed
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the car's target market. Ford took the original car
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> from
>>>> a
>>>>>>>> two
>>>>>>>>>>>> seater
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to a four seater with great success. Had they not
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> done
>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> would likely have been discontinued. Why they
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> thought
>>>>>> going
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> back to two seats would mean more sales is beyond me.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So Ford should forever concede the American 2-seat
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> market
>>>> to
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Corvette?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That is an entirely different topic and market than the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thunderbird ever was...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Besides the latest 2 seat T-bird was not in the same
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> room
>>>> let
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> alone group as the Corvette and Viper.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> By comparison, it was a pansy ass. I would rather have
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>> Miata
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> than that T-Bird.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <rowlf>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Wow.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Well, I would. I can install a 302 into a Miata or get a
>>>> Kenne
>>>>>>>> Bell
>>>>>>>>>>>>> twin screw blower and turn it into a Viper killer. Plus,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> it
>>>> is
>>>>>>>>>>>>> light
>>>>>>>>>>>> as
>>>>>>>>>>>>> a feather and handles like it is on rails. I always
>>>>>>>>>>>>> looked at
>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>> last
>>>>>>>>>>>>> T-Bird as a chick car and it had hardly any testosterone
>>>>>>>>>>>>> in
>>>> it.
>>>>>>>>>>>> For the purposes of this discussion, let's not talk about
>>>>>>>>>>>> 5.0
>>>>>>>> Miatas,
>>>>>>>>>>>> as they are rather cool because they're not really Miatas.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> That said, _any_ T-Bird has tons more testosterone than a
>>>>>> friggin'
>>>>>>>>>>>> Miata. Even the name is wussie. "Miata". What does that
>>>>>> conjure
>>>>>>>> up
>>>>>>>>>>>> in your mind?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> <rowlf>
>>>>>>>>>>> My nephew has a Miata and I've driven his quite a bit. The
>>>>>>>>>>> car
>>>>>>>> grows
>>>>>>>>>>> on you. It reminds me of my old Triumph Spitfire except it
>>>>>>>>>>> is a
>>>>>>>> much
>>>>>>>>>>> better vehicle. They are very fun to drive. Many men have
>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>> same
>>>>>>>>>>> feeling about Miatas as you do. My son does. If you can
>>>>>>>>>>> get
>>>> past
>>>>>>>>>>> that you will find a very capable two seater.
>>>>>>>>>> Perhaps I'll get past that when you can get past the whole
>>>>>>>>>> name
>>>>>>>> thing.
>>>>>>>>>> I guess the issues are similar...
>>>>>>>>> I don't see the similarities. Putting four doors on a Mustang
>>>>>>>>> is
>>>> a
>>>>>>>> huge
>>>>>>>>> change in the image of that car. The Mustang has nearly as
>>>>>>>>> much
>>>>>>>> history
>>>>>>>>> as the Corvette
>>>>>>>> ??
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Corvette has over 11 years on the Mustang...
>>>>>>> It's kind of like a brother that is ten years older than you.
>>>>>>> When you're 5 years old the age difference seems huge. When
>>>>>>> you're sixty years old it isn't that great, relatively speaking.
>>>>>>> Both the
>>>> Corvette
>>>>>>> and the Mustang have a relatively long continuous history and
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>> longer
>>>>>>> they stick around the less meaningful that 11 years becomes.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> and that means something to the car's purpose and reason
>>>>>>>>> for existing. It the Mustang was circling the drain because
>>>>>>>>> of
>>>> low
>>>>>>>>> sales volumes then I could understand Ford doing something
>>>>>>>>> radical
>>>>>>>> like
>>>>>>>>> making a wagon variant. Since this isn't the case, I see no
>>>>>>>>> need
>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>> Ford to make such a risky move and possibly jeopardize the
>>>>>>>>> car's excellent heritage. Trying to make one car fill a
>>>>>>>>> variety of
>>>> roles
>>>>>>>>> rarely works and just serves to dilute that car's identity
>>>>>>>>> and, in
>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>> case of the Mustang, its reputation as a pony car.
>>>>>>>> OK then. Shall we agree to disagree on this one?
>>>>>>> I think so. Has the horse turned into hamburger yet?
>>>>>> I dunno, but I had a steak cooked on the grill for dinner
>>>>>> tonight.
>>>>> Too bad you're not my neighbor. I had a frozen dinner.
>>>> Hey, if you're in the neighborhood, you've got a standing
>>>> invitation.
>>>> I use salt-free seasoning from Omaha Steaks on most stuff I grill.
>>>> Simply awesome.
>>> I haven't been to Florida since my father passed away in 1990. He
>>> had a house in Ruskin just Southeast of Tampa Bay. He had a home
>>> made air boat and a regular boat that we used for some great
>>> excursions. We would get oysters, clams, scallops, island hop and
>>> camp on the Key Islands, fish in remote areas, make all day jaunts
>>> into the upper Everglades among other things. Going there now to
>>> stay in a hotel and sit on the beach just doesn't do it for me now.
>>> IMO, the majority of people that visit Florida miss out on doing the
>>> best stuff the state offers. Forget Disney World, there are much
>>> better attractions from Mother Nature.

>>
>> You got that right. Most people don't have a clue what the
>> Everglades or the Keys are all about - nowadays they all think of
>> Disney. But I've heard that Ft. Lauderdale is now the top gay
>> vacation spot.
>>
>> Check out any of Tim Dorsey's books (
www.timdorsey.com) - he's a
>> pretty good satirist from Tampa. Writes mostly about over-the-top
>> hijinks in Florida. Sort of a poor man's Carl Hiaasen if you will.

>
> I'll check it out. Speaking of popular gay spots, my wife and I were
> visiting Maine in late August one year and decided to visit some of
> the surrounding small towns for site seeing purposes. I can't
> remember the town's name but it swells in population every year about
> that time with gays. It took me about an hour of walking around to
> get what was going on there. Three young guys were walking toward us
> on the sidewalk and one was dressed in tight, small shorts, combat
> boots and a tight T-shirt. He was the poster boy for what one might
> think as the stereotypical gay man. As we got closer I glanced over
> at him and he smiled real big and winked at me! I lost it right there
> and started laughing. He laughed too.
>
> I spent the next five minutes explaining to my wife what just
> transpired. I told her she had better treat me right that day because
> in this town I am a hot commodity.... a gay virgin in an
> overwhelmingly gay town. I was trophy material for these guys! When
> we got back to our friends house and told them about our experience
> they laughed their asses off. Evidently that town is known as the San
> Francisco of the East Coast in late August. Gays come from all over
> to stay there for a couple of weeks. It is so crowded that the locals
> stay away until they leave. The town loves it because gays spend
> money like drunken sailors while they are there.


Michael, I'm starting to worry about you. "A gay virgin in an
overwhelmingly gay town". Sounds like the opening line of a
screenplay...
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  #102  
Old October 27th 07, 01:03 AM posted to rec.autos.makers.ford.mustang
Michael Johnson
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Default NASTY Lil' Cobra Being Twin Screwed

Joe wrote:
> Michael Johnson > wrote in
> :
>
>> Joe wrote:
>>> Michael Johnson > wrote in
>>> :
>>>
>>>> Joe wrote:
>>>>> Michael Johnson > wrote in
>>>>> :
>>>>>
>>>>>> Joe wrote:
>>>>>>> Michael Johnson > wrote in
>>>>>>> :
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Joe wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Michael Johnson > wrote in news:z4qdneu-
>>>>>>>>> :
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Joe wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> Michael Johnson > wrote in
>>>>>>>>>>> :
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Joe wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Michael Johnson > wrote in
>>>>>>>>>>>>> :
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Joe wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Michael Johnson > wrote in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> :
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> My Name Is Nobody wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:1193186694.185363.167230
>>>>> @y27g2000pre.googlegroups.com...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Oct 22, 8:40 pm, Michael Johnson >
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I also think the 2-door model was an excellent idea
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> but
>>>>>>> just
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> had poor execution. 2-seaters are supposed to be
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sporty
>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ford's last generation T-bird, at nearly 4,000
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> scale-
>>>>>>> busting
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pounds, didn't have a chance. But if they could
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>> gotten
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thunder
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [thighs] Bird down to around 3,200, given it a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> slightly
>>>>>>> more
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> aggressive stance/look, installed some real thunder
>>>>> under
>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> hood
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and given it a competitive price, I think Ford would
>>>>> have
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> found
>>>>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> nice sales niche.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The reason I think it was a bad idea is they greatly
>>>>>>> narrowed
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the car's target market. Ford took the original car
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> from
>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>> two
>>>>>>>>>>>>> seater
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to a four seater with great success. Had they not
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> done
>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> would likely have been discontinued. Why they
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> thought
>>>>>>> going
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> back to two seats would mean more sales is beyond me.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So Ford should forever concede the American 2-seat
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> market
>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Corvette?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That is an entirely different topic and market than the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thunderbird ever was...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Besides the latest 2 seat T-bird was not in the same
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> room
>>>>> let
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> alone group as the Corvette and Viper.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> By comparison, it was a pansy ass. I would rather have
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>> Miata
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> than that T-Bird.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <rowlf>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Wow.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Well, I would. I can install a 302 into a Miata or get a
>>>>> Kenne
>>>>>>>>> Bell
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> twin screw blower and turn it into a Viper killer. Plus,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it
>>>>> is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> light
>>>>>>>>>>>>> as
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a feather and handles like it is on rails. I always
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> looked at
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> last
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> T-Bird as a chick car and it had hardly any testosterone
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>> it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> For the purposes of this discussion, let's not talk about
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 5.0
>>>>>>>>> Miatas,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> as they are rather cool because they're not really Miatas.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> That said, _any_ T-Bird has tons more testosterone than a
>>>>>>> friggin'
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Miata. Even the name is wussie. "Miata". What does that
>>>>>>> conjure
>>>>>>>>> up
>>>>>>>>>>>>> in your mind?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> <rowlf>
>>>>>>>>>>>> My nephew has a Miata and I've driven his quite a bit. The
>>>>>>>>>>>> car
>>>>>>>>> grows
>>>>>>>>>>>> on you. It reminds me of my old Triumph Spitfire except it
>>>>>>>>>>>> is a
>>>>>>>>> much
>>>>>>>>>>>> better vehicle. They are very fun to drive. Many men have
>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> same
>>>>>>>>>>>> feeling about Miatas as you do. My son does. If you can
>>>>>>>>>>>> get
>>>>> past
>>>>>>>>>>>> that you will find a very capable two seater.
>>>>>>>>>>> Perhaps I'll get past that when you can get past the whole
>>>>>>>>>>> name
>>>>>>>>> thing.
>>>>>>>>>>> I guess the issues are similar...
>>>>>>>>>> I don't see the similarities. Putting four doors on a Mustang
>>>>>>>>>> is
>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>> huge
>>>>>>>>>> change in the image of that car. The Mustang has nearly as
>>>>>>>>>> much
>>>>>>>>> history
>>>>>>>>>> as the Corvette
>>>>>>>>> ??
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Corvette has over 11 years on the Mustang...
>>>>>>>> It's kind of like a brother that is ten years older than you.
>>>>>>>> When you're 5 years old the age difference seems huge. When
>>>>>>>> you're sixty years old it isn't that great, relatively speaking.
>>>>>>>> Both the
>>>>> Corvette
>>>>>>>> and the Mustang have a relatively long continuous history and
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> longer
>>>>>>>> they stick around the less meaningful that 11 years becomes.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> and that means something to the car's purpose and reason
>>>>>>>>>> for existing. It the Mustang was circling the drain because
>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>> low
>>>>>>>>>> sales volumes then I could understand Ford doing something
>>>>>>>>>> radical
>>>>>>>>> like
>>>>>>>>>> making a wagon variant. Since this isn't the case, I see no
>>>>>>>>>> need
>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>>> Ford to make such a risky move and possibly jeopardize the
>>>>>>>>>> car's excellent heritage. Trying to make one car fill a
>>>>>>>>>> variety of
>>>>> roles
>>>>>>>>>> rarely works and just serves to dilute that car's identity
>>>>>>>>>> and, in
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>> case of the Mustang, its reputation as a pony car.
>>>>>>>>> OK then. Shall we agree to disagree on this one?
>>>>>>>> I think so. Has the horse turned into hamburger yet?
>>>>>>> I dunno, but I had a steak cooked on the grill for dinner
>>>>>>> tonight.
>>>>>> Too bad you're not my neighbor. I had a frozen dinner.
>>>>> Hey, if you're in the neighborhood, you've got a standing
>>>>> invitation.
>>>>> I use salt-free seasoning from Omaha Steaks on most stuff I grill.
>>>>> Simply awesome.
>>>> I haven't been to Florida since my father passed away in 1990. He
>>>> had a house in Ruskin just Southeast of Tampa Bay. He had a home
>>>> made air boat and a regular boat that we used for some great
>>>> excursions. We would get oysters, clams, scallops, island hop and
>>>> camp on the Key Islands, fish in remote areas, make all day jaunts
>>>> into the upper Everglades among other things. Going there now to
>>>> stay in a hotel and sit on the beach just doesn't do it for me now.
>>>> IMO, the majority of people that visit Florida miss out on doing the
>>>> best stuff the state offers. Forget Disney World, there are much
>>>> better attractions from Mother Nature.
>>> You got that right. Most people don't have a clue what the
>>> Everglades or the Keys are all about - nowadays they all think of
>>> Disney. But I've heard that Ft. Lauderdale is now the top gay
>>> vacation spot.
>>>
>>> Check out any of Tim Dorsey's books (
www.timdorsey.com) - he's a
>>> pretty good satirist from Tampa. Writes mostly about over-the-top
>>> hijinks in Florida. Sort of a poor man's Carl Hiaasen if you will.

>> I'll check it out. Speaking of popular gay spots, my wife and I were
>> visiting Maine in late August one year and decided to visit some of
>> the surrounding small towns for site seeing purposes. I can't
>> remember the town's name but it swells in population every year about
>> that time with gays. It took me about an hour of walking around to
>> get what was going on there. Three young guys were walking toward us
>> on the sidewalk and one was dressed in tight, small shorts, combat
>> boots and a tight T-shirt. He was the poster boy for what one might
>> think as the stereotypical gay man. As we got closer I glanced over
>> at him and he smiled real big and winked at me! I lost it right there
>> and started laughing. He laughed too.
>>
>> I spent the next five minutes explaining to my wife what just
>> transpired. I told her she had better treat me right that day because
>> in this town I am a hot commodity.... a gay virgin in an
>> overwhelmingly gay town. I was trophy material for these guys! When
>> we got back to our friends house and told them about our experience
>> they laughed their asses off. Evidently that town is known as the San
>> Francisco of the East Coast in late August. Gays come from all over
>> to stay there for a couple of weeks. It is so crowded that the locals
>> stay away until they leave. The town loves it because gays spend
>> money like drunken sailors while they are there.

>
> Michael, I'm starting to worry about you. "A gay virgin in an
> overwhelmingly gay town". Sounds like the opening line of a
> screenplay...


If I ever switch teams I know where I'm heading in late August.
  #103  
Old October 27th 07, 02:17 AM posted to rec.autos.makers.ford.mustang
John[_26_]
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Posts: 26
Default NASTY Lil' Cobra Being Twin Screwed

"Joe" > wrote in message
...
> Michael Johnson > wrote in
> :
>
>> Joe wrote:
>>> Michael Johnson > wrote in
>>> :
>>>
>>>> Joe wrote:
>>>>> Michael Johnson > wrote in
>>>>> :
>>>>>
>>>>>> Joe wrote:
>>>>>>> Michael Johnson > wrote in
>>>>>>> :
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Joe wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Michael Johnson > wrote in news:z4qdneu-
>>>>>>>>> :
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Joe wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> Michael Johnson > wrote in
>>>>>>>>>>> :
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Joe wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Michael Johnson > wrote in
>>>>>>>>>>>>> :
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Joe wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Michael Johnson > wrote in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> :
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> My Name Is Nobody wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:1193186694.185363.167230
>>>>> @y27g2000pre.googlegroups.com...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Oct 22, 8:40 pm, Michael Johnson >
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I also think the 2-door model was an excellent idea
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> but
>>>>>>> just
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> had poor execution. 2-seaters are supposed to be
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sporty
>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ford's last generation T-bird, at nearly 4,000
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> scale-
>>>>>>> busting
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pounds, didn't have a chance. But if they could
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>> gotten
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thunder
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [thighs] Bird down to around 3,200, given it a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> slightly
>>>>>>> more
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> aggressive stance/look, installed some real thunder
>>>>> under
>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> hood
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and given it a competitive price, I think Ford would
>>>>> have
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> found
>>>>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> nice sales niche.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The reason I think it was a bad idea is they greatly
>>>>>>> narrowed
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the car's target market. Ford took the original car
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> from
>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>> two
>>>>>>>>>>>>> seater
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to a four seater with great success. Had they not
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> done
>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> would likely have been discontinued. Why they
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> thought
>>>>>>> going
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> back to two seats would mean more sales is beyond me.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So Ford should forever concede the American 2-seat
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> market
>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Corvette?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That is an entirely different topic and market than the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thunderbird ever was...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Besides the latest 2 seat T-bird was not in the same
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> room
>>>>> let
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> alone group as the Corvette and Viper.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> By comparison, it was a pansy ass. I would rather have
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>> Miata
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> than that T-Bird.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <rowlf>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Wow.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Well, I would. I can install a 302 into a Miata or get a
>>>>> Kenne
>>>>>>>>> Bell
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> twin screw blower and turn it into a Viper killer. Plus,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it
>>>>> is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> light
>>>>>>>>>>>>> as
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a feather and handles like it is on rails. I always
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> looked at
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> last
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> T-Bird as a chick car and it had hardly any testosterone
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>> it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> For the purposes of this discussion, let's not talk about
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 5.0
>>>>>>>>> Miatas,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> as they are rather cool because they're not really Miatas.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> That said, _any_ T-Bird has tons more testosterone than a
>>>>>>> friggin'
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Miata. Even the name is wussie. "Miata". What does that
>>>>>>> conjure
>>>>>>>>> up
>>>>>>>>>>>>> in your mind?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> <rowlf>
>>>>>>>>>>>> My nephew has a Miata and I've driven his quite a bit. The
>>>>>>>>>>>> car
>>>>>>>>> grows
>>>>>>>>>>>> on you. It reminds me of my old Triumph Spitfire except it
>>>>>>>>>>>> is a
>>>>>>>>> much
>>>>>>>>>>>> better vehicle. They are very fun to drive. Many men have
>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> same
>>>>>>>>>>>> feeling about Miatas as you do. My son does. If you can
>>>>>>>>>>>> get
>>>>> past
>>>>>>>>>>>> that you will find a very capable two seater.
>>>>>>>>>>> Perhaps I'll get past that when you can get past the whole
>>>>>>>>>>> name
>>>>>>>>> thing.
>>>>>>>>>>> I guess the issues are similar...
>>>>>>>>>> I don't see the similarities. Putting four doors on a Mustang
>>>>>>>>>> is
>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>> huge
>>>>>>>>>> change in the image of that car. The Mustang has nearly as
>>>>>>>>>> much
>>>>>>>>> history
>>>>>>>>>> as the Corvette
>>>>>>>>> ??
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Corvette has over 11 years on the Mustang...
>>>>>>>> It's kind of like a brother that is ten years older than you.
>>>>>>>> When you're 5 years old the age difference seems huge. When
>>>>>>>> you're sixty years old it isn't that great, relatively speaking.
>>>>>>>> Both the
>>>>> Corvette
>>>>>>>> and the Mustang have a relatively long continuous history and
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> longer
>>>>>>>> they stick around the less meaningful that 11 years becomes.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> and that means something to the car's purpose and reason
>>>>>>>>>> for existing. It the Mustang was circling the drain because
>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>> low
>>>>>>>>>> sales volumes then I could understand Ford doing something
>>>>>>>>>> radical
>>>>>>>>> like
>>>>>>>>>> making a wagon variant. Since this isn't the case, I see no
>>>>>>>>>> need
>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>>> Ford to make such a risky move and possibly jeopardize the
>>>>>>>>>> car's excellent heritage. Trying to make one car fill a
>>>>>>>>>> variety of
>>>>> roles
>>>>>>>>>> rarely works and just serves to dilute that car's identity
>>>>>>>>>> and, in
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>> case of the Mustang, its reputation as a pony car.
>>>>>>>>> OK then. Shall we agree to disagree on this one?
>>>>>>>> I think so. Has the horse turned into hamburger yet?
>>>>>>> I dunno, but I had a steak cooked on the grill for dinner
>>>>>>> tonight.
>>>>>> Too bad you're not my neighbor. I had a frozen dinner.
>>>>> Hey, if you're in the neighborhood, you've got a standing
>>>>> invitation.
>>>>> I use salt-free seasoning from Omaha Steaks on most stuff I grill.
>>>>> Simply awesome.
>>>> I haven't been to Florida since my father passed away in 1990. He
>>>> had a house in Ruskin just Southeast of Tampa Bay. He had a home
>>>> made air boat and a regular boat that we used for some great
>>>> excursions. We would get oysters, clams, scallops, island hop and
>>>> camp on the Key Islands, fish in remote areas, make all day jaunts
>>>> into the upper Everglades among other things. Going there now to
>>>> stay in a hotel and sit on the beach just doesn't do it for me now.
>>>> IMO, the majority of people that visit Florida miss out on doing the
>>>> best stuff the state offers. Forget Disney World, there are much
>>>> better attractions from Mother Nature.
>>>
>>> You got that right. Most people don't have a clue what the
>>> Everglades or the Keys are all about - nowadays they all think of
>>> Disney. But I've heard that Ft. Lauderdale is now the top gay
>>> vacation spot.
>>>
>>> Check out any of Tim Dorsey's books (
www.timdorsey.com) - he's a
>>> pretty good satirist from Tampa. Writes mostly about over-the-top
>>> hijinks in Florida. Sort of a poor man's Carl Hiaasen if you will.

>>
>> I'll check it out. Speaking of popular gay spots, my wife and I were
>> visiting Maine in late August one year and decided to visit some of
>> the surrounding small towns for site seeing purposes. I can't
>> remember the town's name but it swells in population every year about
>> that time with gays. It took me about an hour of walking around to
>> get what was going on there. Three young guys were walking toward us
>> on the sidewalk and one was dressed in tight, small shorts, combat
>> boots and a tight T-shirt. He was the poster boy for what one might
>> think as the stereotypical gay man. As we got closer I glanced over
>> at him and he smiled real big and winked at me! I lost it right there
>> and started laughing. He laughed too.
>>
>> I spent the next five minutes explaining to my wife what just
>> transpired. I told her she had better treat me right that day because
>> in this town I am a hot commodity.... a gay virgin in an
>> overwhelmingly gay town. I was trophy material for these guys! When
>> we got back to our friends house and told them about our experience
>> they laughed their asses off. Evidently that town is known as the San
>> Francisco of the East Coast in late August. Gays come from all over
>> to stay there for a couple of weeks. It is so crowded that the locals
>> stay away until they leave. The town loves it because gays spend
>> money like drunken sailors while they are there.

>
> Michael, I'm starting to worry about you. "A gay virgin in an
> overwhelmingly gay town". Sounds like the opening line of a
> screenplay...


The opening lines in the next Harry Potter book/movie.

--
John - ThunderSnake #59
'69 Mach 1 w/ 390 4V
Wide Ratio Toploader
3.50 Traction-Lok
Acapulco Blue



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Old October 27th 07, 02:39 AM posted to rec.autos.makers.ford.mustang
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On Oct 25, 8:38 pm, Michael Johnson > wrote:

> >>> Now that you mention it, the whole Fox line back in the '80s had your 4-
> >>> door and wagon Mustangs. They were called LTDs and Fairmonts. What's
> >>> in a name?


> >> When it comes to the Mustang, everything. What would you rather have
> >> sitting in your driveway? A Granada, LTD, Fairmont or a Mustang?

>
> > Ummmm....ummmm....ahhh.... ummmm... depends how each of them are set-
> > up. Top choice: Any of the first three with a tightened up chassis,
> > some factory Mustang alloy wheels, a 5 or 6 speed trans, and a rompin'
> > V8 under the hood.


> If I had to keep the car as it comes from Ford the Mustang wins hands
> down. The mentality of most car buyers doesn't include after market
> tweaks of that magnitude.


But we are talking about and comparing 20+ year old cars (Grenada,
LTD, Fairmont).

> > I love sleepers!


> You're preaching to the choir here. Here's my car if you saw it on the
> street:


> http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c290/MikeJ9116/LX.jpg


> Here is an under hood shot:


> http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c2...6/engine3a.jpg


Very, very nice!! Tell me about the motor again. What did/does this
car run in the quarter?

> I have shocked more Camaro and Firebird owners over the years than I can
> remember. I would let them stay even with me the first two gears and
> then in third pull away from them like they were standing still. Then
> at about 70-80 mph back off and let them pass me. The looks I would get
> from the drivers were priceless.


This is the last year for both of my kids' college, so maybe next year
I'll enrich the venom in my Cobra.

Patrick

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Old October 27th 07, 02:46 AM posted to rec.autos.makers.ford.mustang
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On Oct 26, 7:33 am, Michael Johnson > wrote:

> I haven't been to Florida since my father passed away in 1990. He had a
> house in Ruskin just Southeast of Tampa Bay. He had a home made air
> boat and a regular boat that we used for some great excursions. We
> would get oysters, clams, scallops, island hop and camp on the Key
> Islands, fish in remote areas, make all day jaunts into the upper
> Everglades among other things. Going there now to stay in a hotel and
> sit on the beach just doesn't do it for me now. IMO, the majority of
> people that visit Florida miss out on doing the best stuff the state
> offers.


>Forget Disney World, there are much better attractions from
> Mother Nature.


Another thing we agree on. Man-made attractions or Mother Nature.
Mother Nature wins hands down every time!

Patrick

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Old October 27th 07, 03:08 AM posted to rec.autos.makers.ford.mustang
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wrote:
> On Oct 26, 7:33 am, Michael Johnson > wrote:
>
>> I haven't been to Florida since my father passed away in 1990. He had a
>> house in Ruskin just Southeast of Tampa Bay. He had a home made air
>> boat and a regular boat that we used for some great excursions. We
>> would get oysters, clams, scallops, island hop and camp on the Key
>> Islands, fish in remote areas, make all day jaunts into the upper
>> Everglades among other things. Going there now to stay in a hotel and
>> sit on the beach just doesn't do it for me now. IMO, the majority of
>> people that visit Florida miss out on doing the best stuff the state
>> offers.

>
>> Forget Disney World, there are much better attractions from
>> Mother Nature.

>
> Another thing we agree on. Man-made attractions or Mother Nature.
> Mother Nature wins hands down every time!


I made the trip to Ruskin, Florida every spring break while I was in
college. My sophomore year several college buddies that went to Ft.
Lauderdale that year swung by my Dad's place for two days. We took them
out to do the stuff I normally did there and they LOVED it. For the
next two years my friends skipped Ft. Lauderdale and stayed at my
father's place and we had a blast both years. They ate up going into
the Everglades, running through abandoned boats in the middle of Tampa
Bay in 2-3 feet of water (a very weird experience BTW to be miles from
shore and get out of the boat and wade around in knee high water), dive
for gallons of fresh oysters, clamming, crabbing (some of the biggest
and best I have ever had), fishing etc. Also, it is EXTREMELY cool to
find a small isolated Key island and camp out overnight and sit around a
fire and eat, drink beer and talk bull**** until dawn. Great memories,
I tell you.
  #107  
Old October 27th 07, 03:36 AM posted to rec.autos.makers.ford.mustang
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wrote:
> On Oct 25, 8:38 pm, Michael Johnson > wrote:
>
>>>>> Now that you mention it, the whole Fox line back in the '80s had your 4-
>>>>> door and wagon Mustangs. They were called LTDs and Fairmonts. What's
>>>>> in a name?

>
>>>> When it comes to the Mustang, everything. What would you rather have
>>>> sitting in your driveway? A Granada, LTD, Fairmont or a Mustang?
>>> Ummmm....ummmm....ahhh.... ummmm... depends how each of them are set-
>>> up. Top choice: Any of the first three with a tightened up chassis,
>>> some factory Mustang alloy wheels, a 5 or 6 speed trans, and a rompin'
>>> V8 under the hood.

>
>> If I had to keep the car as it comes from Ford the Mustang wins hands
>> down. The mentality of most car buyers doesn't include after market
>> tweaks of that magnitude.

>
> But we are talking about and comparing 20+ year old cars (Grenada,
> LTD, Fairmont).
>
>>> I love sleepers!

>
>> You're preaching to the choir here. Here's my car if you saw it on the
>> street:

>
>>
http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c290/MikeJ9116/LX.jpg
>
>> Here is an under hood shot:

>
>> http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c2...6/engine3a.jpg

>
> Very, very nice!! Tell me about the motor again. What did/does this
> car run in the quarter?


Thanks. Here is a list of the mods I can remember off the top of my head:

Kenne Bell Blowzilla w/ Flowzilla manifolds (run at 16 psi or 12 psi)
Cobra lower intake and GT40 heads that have been ported to hell and back
Bone stock and original short block
Water and/or alcohol injection system for charge air cooling
Aeromotive 1000 lph fuel pump
Large diameter fuel lines from the tank to the fuel rails
Aeromotive high flow fuel rails
42# fuel injectors
High capacity radiator
75mm TB/EGR with 75mm CLR aluminum intake pipe.
Custom pulleys to allow use of a larger blower pulley (less belt slip)
T-56 Viper spec 6-speed transmission
Custom aluminum drive shaft
Subframe connectors
SPEC Stage III racing clutch (painful in stop & go traffic)
Rebuilt T-Loc differential with extra clutch packs inserted
SN95 front brakes and spindles
Dynomax Ultraflow catback exhaust (2.5")
MAC off road H-pipe (2.5")
FMS ceramic coated shorty headers
Steeda Triax shifter
Battery relocated to the trunk (needed space for water injection system)
2000 GT 17" rims and tires

I think that is about it. I would love to give you some track times but
it has never been there. I have a G-Tech but couldn't find a stretch of
road around here to run the car wide open to get an accurate time.
Plus, it is really too fast to push it that hard on the street anyway.
I do have some respectable 0-60 mph runs with the G-Tech at 4.5 seconds
on street tires. I have no doubt a good set of slicks would push that
number to well under four seconds. The last dyno run I did put out 400
rwhp at 5,000 rpm and we cut it off there because of valve float (before
the head work was done). It made 460 ft-lbs of torque at 2,500 rpm on
that pull. With the porting and new valve springs I expect the
horsepower is around 430-440 rwhp and the torque has dropped a little.
What that is worth in 1/4 mile times is anybodies guess.

>> I have shocked more Camaro and Firebird owners over the years than I can
>> remember. I would let them stay even with me the first two gears and
>> then in third pull away from them like they were standing still. Then
>> at about 70-80 mph back off and let them pass me. The looks I would get
>> from the drivers were priceless.

>
> This is the last year for both of my kids' college, so maybe next year
> I'll enrich the venom in my Cobra.


It might be cheaper for you if your kids stay in college.
 




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