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In article >, Pete > wrote:
> >"Tony" wrote >> At an on track driving 'school' last spring I was driving a friend's >> '04 S4 4.2 (which is also supposed to have a limit of 130) and was >> hitting 150+ on the straight with a lot of room to go. >> >> Tony > >According to the US specs, the S4 is electronically limited to 155 mph. >And of course you can remove that limit by getting an aftermarket >chip/software as well. > >Cheers, > >Pete Although I haven't taken mine up past that value, the limiter on the US S4 is on paper only (not actually turned on in the ECU software), according to some reputable sources on the AudiWorld forums. The car should top out at or around 170 (assuming you had a place that you could actually reach that speed). - Charlie |
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GRL wrote:
> It may drive great and you can't tell how ugly it may be from inside, but > remember, every time that you go to drive it you're going to have to look at > it before you get inside. > > A great drive is a great drive only while you're driving, but ugly is > forever. > > - GRL Pshaa! When most people are concerned about these cars' supposed "ugliness", what they are really concerned about is what other people will think about the car when they drive by in it. I, on the other hand, never actually drive my cars. I just go out to the garage and look at them, so their beautiful design is of utmost importance to me... (not!!) ;-) -Fred W |
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"Fred W" > wrote in message ... > GRL wrote: > > It may drive great and you can't tell how ugly it may be from inside, but > > remember, every time that you go to drive it you're going to have to look at > > it before you get inside. > > > > A great drive is a great drive only while you're driving, but ugly is > > forever. > > > > - GRL > > Pshaa! When most people are concerned about these cars' supposed > "ugliness", what they are really concerned about is what other people > will think about the car when they drive by in it. > > I, on the other hand, never actually drive my cars. I just go out to > the garage and look at them, so their beautiful design is of utmost > importance to me... (not!!) ;-) > > -Fred W Different strokes for different folks. I really enjoy the fact that my silver S8 is very reserved looking, and stealthy. Once insde, particularly at night when the white indicators spin up the red surrounds, it feels like piloting a low flying jet. I think it is a combination of looks and feel, and sound. When I had my Viper it was more "instant celebrity" than in my current Vette, but if I were going to go sit in the garage and just stare at a machine, it would have to be a 12 cylinder Ferrari. I still say, buy a used S8 for the price of either of the cars being considered, and have it all!! |
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E.R. > wrote: >In a previous posting, (Charlie >Giannetto) had the audacity to say: > >: Although I haven't taken mine up past that value, the limiter on the >:US S4 is on paper only > ><Japanese voice> > >Ahh, rawsuit protection! ;} > ></Japanese voice> > >not actually turned on in the ECU software), >:according to some reputable sources on the AudiWorld forums. The car >:should top out at or around 170 (assuming you had a place that you >:could actually reach that speed). > >Are you sure it's not actually limited at all, assuming the >source rumour is correct? 'Cause I believe even the (original) >Euro spec cars have a 155 mph governor... which I personally >don't think is outrageous[ly low], but clearly a small >proportion of owners does. I've read of people exploring the limits of the car on AudiWorld, although I have no first hand experience. I believe that the limiter value is indeed set to 155 in the ECU but the limiter flag itself is actually set to false, which disables the function. The lack of a speed limiter isn't really an issue since the speed (even at 155) is still well beyond any legally acceptable level on any public road in the US. 155 is something that the European community has agreed on I believe so I'm not sure the fact that it might not be implemented on a US spec car would be all that significant. If you would like to look into this further, I suggest going to the AudiWorld.com or B6S4.com web sites and searching for information on "speed limiter" or "governor". - Charlie 04 S4 MT6 |
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"Fred W" > wrote in message ... > GRL wrote: > > It may drive great and you can't tell how ugly it may be from inside, but > > remember, every time that you go to drive it you're going to have to look at > > it before you get inside. > > > > A great drive is a great drive only while you're driving, but ugly is > > forever. > > > > - GRL > > Pshaa! When most people are concerned about these cars' supposed > "ugliness", what they are really concerned about is what other people > will think about the car when they drive by in it. Vanity isn't the only reason why people criticize the aesthetics of these cars. Many people criticize these designs because they expect a lofty $50k car to encompass more than just great function; they expect beautiful form as well. And they -- or should I say we -- feel that many of both BMW's and Audi's latest designs have taken a step backward in that regard. Rob 2002 A4 3.0Q 2005 TT 3.2 DSG |
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>what they are really concerned about is what other people
>> will think about the car when they drive by in it. BMW's yealry sales in North America are built almost entirely on the brand's image. Break 1,000 BMW owners into groups of 10 and I bet that 9 out of every 10 of them will tell you that brand image helped sell them on the car. Audi lacks the image and recognition of BMW and that's a big part of why they can't sell as many cars. It also doesn't help that the average Audi (S and RS models aside) can't hold a candle to the capabiltities of the average BMW. The A4 and A6 simply cannot match the overall dynamics of the 3 and 5-series models. Steve Grauman |
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"Steve Grauman" > wrote in message ... > >what they are really concerned about is what other people > >> will think about the car when they drive by in it. > > BMW's yealry sales in North America are built almost entirely on the brand's > image. Break 1,000 BMW owners into groups of 10 and I bet that 9 out of every > 10 of them will tell you that brand image helped sell them on the car. Audi > lacks the image and recognition of BMW and that's a big part of why they can't > sell as many cars. It also doesn't help that the average Audi (S and RS models > aside) can't hold a candle to the capabiltities of the average BMW. The A4 and > A6 simply cannot match the overall dynamics of the 3 and 5-series models. I don't disagree with you. 9 of 10 car buyers of ALL brands are likely influenced by brand imagery to some extent -- whether it be "youthful hipness" (Scion), "practicality" (Honda), "staid sophistication" (Mercedes), or what have you. But that isn't to say that design doesn't count, or that aesthetics are somehow above criticism. Just look at Cadillac. At one time Cadillacs were considered by many to be the very best that the automotive world had to offer -- the best sheetmetal, the best drivetrains, the most luxurious interiors, etc. (hence the phrase, "it's the Cadillac of......"). But then, gradually (while many loyalists/apologists surely continued defending them), the design elements slid downhill to a point where a large segment of the public no longer liked the cars. So consumers were left to make a choice: do I buy a "legendary" brand that I no longer like, or do I buy something less legendary that appeals more to my senses? And the historical numbers clearly point that most potential buyers eventually chose the second option. However -- surprise surprise! -- as soon as Cadillac introduced a crop of new designs that people liked (Escalade, CTS, etc.), sales came back with a vengeance. Do I think that means that BMW's are going to slide the way Cadillac's did during the 70's and 80's? Not necessarily. But history shows (via Cadillac, Nissan, Mazda, Chrysler and dozens of once stylish, but now defunct brands) that ignoring consumers' wants/tastes and relying instead on imagery to sell cars is not a viable long-term recipe for success. Rob |
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