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1998 Mustang Convertible
Just brought it home. 163000 on it, has some issues but for 1500
can't complain. Needs a new rack, tires, air conditioning, ABS light on and Check Engine light on. It also has a top issue. I will spend most of a weekend pulling all of the wiring out of the thing from the previous owner's over use of massive speaker wire! I am good with most everything but this top is something new to me. I got it to go down tonight. Windows down, parking brake up, held the switch down for several seconds and then heard the motor. The top finally moved and went all the way down. 10 minutes later I had to manually pull the top up because no matter how much I played with the parking brake and switch (drove the car) it would not move. Is there a test for the switch and then the motor? Is the parking brake relay a possible failure point to also be tested? Thanks to all in advance! |
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1998 Mustang Convertible
On Jul 14, 11:54 pm, ReddDawg > wrote:
Is there a > test for the switch and then the motor? Is the parking brake relay a > possible failure point to also be tested? > Be it from a dealer or a good aftermarket manual, you need a wiring diagram. |
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1998 Mustang Convertible
On Jul 14, 9:54*pm, ReddDawg > wrote:
> *Just brought it home. 163000 on it, has some issues but for 1500 > can't complain. Needs a new rack, tires, air conditioning, ABS light > on and Check Engine light on. It also has a top issue. I will spend > most of a weekend pulling all of the wiring out of the thing from the > previous owner's over use of massive speaker wire! I am good with most > everything but this top is something new to me. > > *I got it to go down tonight. Windows down, parking brake up, held the > switch down for several seconds and then heard the motor. The top > finally moved and went all the way down. 10 minutes later I had to > manually pull the top up because no matter how much I played with the > parking brake and switch (drove the car) it would not move. Is there a > test for the switch and then the motor? Is the parking brake relay a > possible failure point to also be tested? > > *Thanks to all in advance! Here's the list of possible sources for that particular trouble: - Convertible top switch - Central junction box (CJB) fuse 20 (15A) - Parking brake switch - Lower relay - Raise relay - Circuitry (basically wiring faults) Here's a link to the shop manual's diagnostic process (it's an awful link, I know, but it's all I've got at the moment ): http://www.planettalso.com/controls/...F8hDQ&tabid=58 Dan P49Y83+ |
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1998 Mustang Convertible
On Jul 15, 5:34 am, Kruse > wrote:
> On Jul 14, 11:54 pm, ReddDawg > wrote: > Is there a > > > test for the switch and then the motor? Is the parking brake relay a > > possible failure point to also be tested? > > Be it from a dealer or a good aftermarket manual, you need a wiring > diagram. A wiring diagram only gives you a schematic of the system(s). I asked for a test for the switch and then the motor. Thanks anyway |
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1998 Mustang Convertible
On Jul 15, 11:17 am, Dan > wrote:
> On Jul 14, 9:54 pm, ReddDawg > wrote: > > > > > Just brought it home. 163000 on it, has some issues but for 1500 > > can't complain. Needs a new rack, tires, air conditioning, ABS light > > on and Check Engine light on. It also has a top issue. I will spend > > most of a weekend pulling all of the wiring out of the thing from the > > previous owner's over use of massive speaker wire! I am good with most > > everything but this top is something new to me. > > > I got it to go down tonight. Windows down, parking brake up, held the > > switch down for several seconds and then heard the motor. The top > > finally moved and went all the way down. 10 minutes later I had to > > manually pull the top up because no matter how much I played with the > > parking brake and switch (drove the car) it would not move. Is there a > > test for the switch and then the motor? Is the parking brake relay a > > possible failure point to also be tested? > > > Thanks to all in advance! > > Here's the list of possible sources for that particular trouble: > > - Convertible top switch > - Central junction box (CJB) fuse 20 (15A) > - Parking brake switch > - Lower relay > - Raise relay > - Circuitry (basically wiring faults) > > Here's a link to the shop manual's diagnostic process (it's an awful > link, I know, but it's all I've got at the moment ): > > http://www.planettalso.com/controls/...enderContent.a... > > Dan > P49Y83+ Dan, golden link! Good stuff most definitely. I will have to dive into it either Wednesday or this weekend. I went out to wash it tonight (entire engine compartment is brown from gravel roads) and for sh!ts and grins I loosened the handles and hit the button a couple of times - it did work once - started up so I reversed it and it went back down to the starting point. A few SECONDS later I tried it again and... well... nothing. Leads me to assume the switch may be going bad but with it being intermittent it may be easy (switch not working) or when I test it voltage passes through and makes me beat my head against the steering wheel. :-) |
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1998 Mustang Convertible
On Jul 15, 8:50*pm, ReddDawg > wrote:
> On Jul 15, 11:17 am, Dan > wrote: > > > > > > > On Jul 14, 9:54 pm, ReddDawg > wrote: > > > > *Just brought it home. 163000 on it, has some issues but for 1500 > > > can't complain. Needs a new rack, tires, air conditioning, ABS light > > > on and Check Engine light on. It also has a top issue. I will spend > > > most of a weekend pulling all of the wiring out of the thing from the > > > previous owner's over use of massive speaker wire! I am good with most > > > everything but this top is something new to me. > > > > *I got it to go down tonight. Windows down, parking brake up, held the > > > switch down for several seconds and then heard the motor. The top > > > finally moved and went all the way down. 10 minutes later I had to > > > manually pull the top up because no matter how much I played with the > > > parking brake and switch (drove the car) it would not move. Is there a > > > test for the switch and then the motor? Is the parking brake relay a > > > possible failure point to also be tested? > > > > *Thanks to all in advance! > > > Here's the list of possible sources for that particular trouble: > > > - Convertible top switch > > - Central junction box (CJB) fuse 20 (15A) > > - Parking brake switch > > - Lower relay > > - Raise relay > > - Circuitry (basically wiring faults) > > > Here's a link to the shop manual's diagnostic process (it's an awful > > link, I know, but it's all I've got at the moment ): > > >http://www.planettalso.com/controls/...enderContent.a... > > > Dan > > P49Y83+ > > *Dan, golden link! Good stuff most definitely. I will have to dive > into it either Wednesday or this weekend. I went out to wash it > tonight (entire engine compartment is brown from gravel roads) and for > sh!ts and grins I loosened the handles and hit the button a couple of > times - it did work once - started up so I reversed it and it went > back down to the starting point. A few SECONDS later I tried it again > and... well... nothing. > > *Leads me to assume the switch may be going bad but with it being > intermittent it may be easy (switch not working) or when I test it > voltage passes through and makes me beat my head against the steering > wheel. :-)- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - Have you checked the fluid level in the pump? I assumed when you said that nothing happens that you don't hear the motor, and fluid level shouldn't effect that, however, it's worth checking . Dan P49Y83+ |
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1998 Mustang Convertible
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> > Have you checked the fluid level in the pump? I assumed when you said > that nothing happens that you don't hear the motor, and fluid level > shouldn't effect that, however, it's worth checking . > > Dan > P49Y83+- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - The game plan at this point is to start at the switch and check it and the parking brake switch while am there - two birds one stone. I need to pull the console out anyway because some cretin spray painted some of it blue for accents. (along with the upper vent panel, places on the door panels) Anyway, after checking those two and applying contact cleaner to them if they are good I will move on to the trunk where I get to remove all of the panels and de-fuse what is left of the monster cable collection from the previous radio. Do a little spring cleaning and check the fluid while I am at it. The feeling I have is that I am going to find it in the top switch or maybe... maybe a flakey ground. No experience with the pumps but am assuming/hoping that the intermittant problem is in the switch. |
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1998 Mustang Convertible
On Jul 16, 9:21 am, Dan > wrote:
> On Jul 15, 8:50 pm, ReddDawg > wrote: > > > > > On Jul 15, 11:17 am, Dan > wrote: > > > > On Jul 14, 9:54 pm, ReddDawg > wrote: > > > > > Just brought it home. 163000 on it, has some issues but for 1500 > > > > can't complain. Needs a new rack, tires, air conditioning, ABS light > > > > on and Check Engine light on. It also has a top issue. I will spend > > > > most of a weekend pulling all of the wiring out of the thing from the > > > > previous owner's over use of massive speaker wire! I am good with most > > > > everything but this top is something new to me. > > > > > I got it to go down tonight. Windows down, parking brake up, held the > > > > switch down for several seconds and then heard the motor. The top > > > > finally moved and went all the way down. 10 minutes later I had to > > > > manually pull the top up because no matter how much I played with the > > > > parking brake and switch (drove the car) it would not move. Is there a > > > > test for the switch and then the motor? Is the parking brake relay a > > > > possible failure point to also be tested? > > > > > Thanks to all in advance! > > > > Here's the list of possible sources for that particular trouble: > > > > - Convertible top switch > > > - Central junction box (CJB) fuse 20 (15A) > > > - Parking brake switch > > > - Lower relay > > > - Raise relay > > > - Circuitry (basically wiring faults) > > > > Here's a link to the shop manual's diagnostic process (it's an awful > > > link, I know, but it's all I've got at the moment ): > > > >http://www.planettalso.com/controls/...enderContent.a... > > > > Dan > > > P49Y83+ > > > Dan, golden link! Good stuff most definitely. I will have to dive > > into it either Wednesday or this weekend. I went out to wash it > > tonight (entire engine compartment is brown from gravel roads) and for > > sh!ts and grins I loosened the handles and hit the button a couple of > > times - it did work once - started up so I reversed it and it went > > back down to the starting point. A few SECONDS later I tried it again > > and... well... nothing. > > > Leads me to assume the switch may be going bad but with it being > > intermittent it may be easy (switch not working) or when I test it > > voltage passes through and makes me beat my head against the steering > > wheel. :-)- Hide quoted text - > > > - Show quoted text - > > Have you checked the fluid level in the pump? I assumed when you said > that nothing happens that you don't hear the motor, and fluid level > shouldn't effect that, however, it's worth checking . > > Dan > P49Y83+ Update. Did two baths on the motor last night. When starting it (now) pedal has to be depressed and then it spits and sputters for several seconds, then runs. New plugs and wires - old plugs were black. New air filter. Same situation. Can't find anything not plugged up so apparently I soaked something. ANYWAY hit the top switch and straight down she went. Drive it (air must be turned on for the cooling fan to run - found that out) and when I got back - hit the button and nothing. 30 seconds later hit the button and the top came right up. Go figure. |
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1998 Mustang Convertible
"Dan" > wrote in message ... On Jul 14, 9:54 pm, ReddDawg > wrote: > Just brought it home. 163000 on it, has some issues but for 1500 > can't complain. Needs a new rack, tires, air conditioning, ABS light > on and Check Engine light on. It also has a top issue. I will spend > most of a weekend pulling all of the wiring out of the thing from the > previous owner's over use of massive speaker wire! I am good with most > everything but this top is something new to me. > > I got it to go down tonight. Windows down, parking brake up, held the > switch down for several seconds and then heard the motor. The top > finally moved and went all the way down. 10 minutes later I had to > manually pull the top up because no matter how much I played with the > parking brake and switch (drove the car) it would not move. Is there a > test for the switch and then the motor? Is the parking brake relay a > possible failure point to also be tested? > > Thanks to all in advance! Here's the list of possible sources for that particular trouble: - Convertible top switch - Central junction box (CJB) fuse 20 (15A) - Parking brake switch - Lower relay - Raise relay - Circuitry (basically wiring faults) Here's a link to the shop manual's diagnostic process (it's an awful link, I know, but it's all I've got at the moment ): http://www.planettalso.com/controls/...F8hDQ&tabid=58 Dan P49Y83+ Dan, Tiny URL is your friend: http://tinyurl.com/create.php |
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1998 Mustang Convertible
Traced the top back to the parking brake switch.
On to bigger and better things. Chasing another problem I pulled the air bag filter and now have the stupid flashing airbag light. I will pull the glove box and take a swing at resetting that this weekend. Air conditioning compressor clutch does not engage. I tried jumping the relay on the top side (close to the firewall) and got the fan to come onto high but did not get the clutch to engage. I am not getting power to the compressor. I am assuming the CCRM has given up the ghost? |
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