Wheel weight?

Pat, you're obviously drinking excessively again, lighten up!

Chris
99BBB

"pws" > wrote in message
...
> Chas Hurst wrote:
>
>> Your comments to lighten up are misdirected Pat.
>
> That is not unusual for me, (misdirected comments), but what a polite
> reply from you. Thanks!
>
>> That said, I own a '99 10AE.
>>
>> http://www.cardomain.com/ride/783728
>
> Nice car.
> I still love the blue that they used on the 10AE, though I think I would
> like to see one with a black top.
>
> Pat

Chris D'Agnolo wrote:
> Pat, you're obviously drinking excessively again, lighten up!
>
> Chris
> 99BBB

I think it was an 80's acid flashback this time.
I kept avoiding hallucinations during my drive. To my credit, I did not
hit any of them, though it was a close call with Big Bird. That would
have been messy, blood and yellow feathers everywhere. ;-)

I finally hit my driveway on the fifth try, which is strange, because
there are only two houses on my street..........

Pat

"Christopher Muto" > wrote in message
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>I am looking for a new set of wheels and tires for my '95 and can't find
>any OEM one locally for a reasonable price. I don't really care if they
>are 14" or 15" and am planning on putting Falken Ziex's on them or perhaps
>Bridgestone Traction TA's...

I've got a set of 14" OEM wheels from a '99 that I'm willing to part with
for a reasonable price if you can pick them up in Southern California. They
are not new but in good condition. Reply with an offer if you are
interested.

Gus (91 BRG)

Christopher Muto wrote:
> I am looking for a new set of wheels and tires for my '95 and can't find any
> OEM one locally for a reasonable price. I don't really care if they are 14"
> or 15" and am planning on putting Falken Ziex's on them or perhaps
> Bridgestone Traction TA's... Meaning that I am not looking to the ultimate
> in performance, but rather a very good value. Tirerack has some wheels that
> I like but many they are quite heavy. The 14" OEM wheels weight in at about
> 11-11.5lbs (13lbs for the '99 14"). The 15" OEM are 13lbs. Tirerack has
> the SportEdition D5 that weights 12.8/15.4lbs for 14/15" respectively. And
> the Borbet CA weights 16lbs for the 14" (15" not listed). These wheels are
> under $70 each. I like the styling of the Borbet CA's and think it provides
> a modern look that still manages to reflect the roaster spirit with its
> spokes. I also think that the painted finish on the Borbet is higher
> quality and doesn't look cheap like the Sport Editions. But if I go with
> the Borbet CA am I going to regret the added weight? Or should I forget
> about looks and just go for the price/weight leader of the 9.3lb Kosei K-1
> TS at $119 each? All comments welcome, I can take it
> Thank you.
>
> http://www.miata.net/faq/wheel_weights.html


Chris,

A couple of years ago I e-mailed Miata Bob referencing what would be
the maximum wheel weight for a Miata.

His recommendation was the less weight the better, but no more than 35
lbs. wheel/tire combo at each corner.

Gary

"CGLee" > wrote:

>
>Christopher Muto wrote:
>> I am looking for a new set of wheels and tires for my '95 and can't find any
>> OEM one locally for a reasonable price. I don't really care if they are 14"
>> or 15" and am planning on putting Falken Ziex's on them or perhaps
>> Bridgestone Traction TA's... Meaning that I am not looking to the ultimate
>> in performance, but rather a very good value. Tirerack has some wheels that
>> I like but many they are quite heavy. The 14" OEM wheels weight in at about
>> 11-11.5lbs (13lbs for the '99 14"). The 15" OEM are 13lbs. Tirerack has
>> the SportEdition D5 that weights 12.8/15.4lbs for 14/15" respectively. And
>> the Borbet CA weights 16lbs for the 14" (15" not listed). These wheels are
>> under $70 each. I like the styling of the Borbet CA's and think it provides
>> a modern look that still manages to reflect the roaster spirit with its
>> spokes. I also think that the painted finish on the Borbet is higher
>> quality and doesn't look cheap like the Sport Editions. But if I go with
>> the Borbet CA am I going to regret the added weight? Or should I forget
>> about looks and just go for the price/weight leader of the 9.3lb Kosei K-1
>> TS at $119 each? All comments welcome, I can take it
>> Thank you.
>>
>> http://www.miata.net/faq/wheel_weights.html
>
>
>Chris,
>
>A couple of years ago I e-mailed Miata Bob referencing what would be
>the maximum wheel weight for a Miata.
>
>His recommendation was the less weight the better, but no more than 35
>lbs. wheel/tire combo at each corner.

In that case, Mazda itself probably exceeded the recommendation with the
18 lb 2002 SE wheel, or at least was right on it. The lowest 16" tires
in the table on miata.net are 18 lb.

Norman H Garrett III, in his "Mazda Miata Performance Handbook", noted
that one popular 15" wheel-tire combo weighted 48 lb, and that while
this was a substantial performance and ride penalty, it will not bother
everyone as a price to pay for good looks. In short, nobody doubts
that lighter is better, but what you want to accept depends on your
tolerance level.

Not that I would touch 48 lb wheel-tire combos myself with a 10 ft
pole, of course.

Leon
--
Leon van Dommelen Bozo, the White 96 Sebring Miata .)
http://www.dommelen.net/miata
EXIT THE INTERSTATES (Jamie Jensen)

Leon van Dommelen wrote:

>
> Not that I would touch 48 lb wheel-tire combos myself with a 10 ft
> pole, of course.
>
> Leon

Isn't that about what the 17" wheels/tires combo weighs on the 2006
MX-5? ;-)

Seriously, does anyone have a weight on these 17" wheels yet? I am
guessing about 18 to 20 pounds.

Pat

Thanks for all the responses.

I spoke to BF Goodrich (not Bridgestone as previously stated in error) and
learned that the Traction T/A 185/60/14 weighs 19.29lbs. That means 32lbs
per wheel when paired up with the SportEdition DS, or 35.5lbs per wheel when
paired up with the Borbet Type CA. If I just look at the total weight of
the Borbet and the SportEdition I do see a 10% weight differential, but that
is also just 3.5lbs. It seems to me that it probably won't make a
difference to me one way or the other between these two. On the other hand
if I am willing to make the extra effort and pay the extra expense to get
the Konig Helium's (which are 15" and not sold bundled with tires mounted
and balanced as far as i know - hence my comment regarding effort) or
something even more expensive...

Thanks again for all the comments.


"Leon van Dommelen" > wrote in message
...
> "CGLee" > wrote:
>
>>
>>Christopher Muto wrote:
>>> I am looking for a new set of wheels and tires for my '95 and can't find
>>> any
>>> OEM one locally for a reasonable price. I don't really care if they are
>>> 14"
>>> or 15" and am planning on putting Falken Ziex's on them or perhaps
>>> Bridgestone Traction TA's... Meaning that I am not looking to the
>>> ultimate
>>> in performance, but rather a very good value. Tirerack has some wheels
>>> that
>>> I like but many they are quite heavy. The 14" OEM wheels weight in at
>>> about
>>> 11-11.5lbs (13lbs for the '99 14"). The 15" OEM are 13lbs. Tirerack
>>> has
>>> the SportEdition D5 that weights 12.8/15.4lbs for 14/15" respectively.
>>> And
>>> the Borbet CA weights 16lbs for the 14" (15" not listed). These wheels
>>> are
>>> under $70 each. I like the styling of the Borbet CA's and think it
>>> provides
>>> a modern look that still manages to reflect the roaster spirit with its
>>> spokes. I also think that the painted finish on the Borbet is higher
>>> quality and doesn't look cheap like the Sport Editions. But if I go
>>> with
>>> the Borbet CA am I going to regret the added weight? Or should I forget
>>> about looks and just go for the price/weight leader of the 9.3lb Kosei
>>> K-1
>>> TS at $119 each? All comments welcome, I can take it
>>> Thank you.
>>>
>>> http://www.miata.net/faq/wheel_weights.html
>>
>>
>>Chris,
>>
>>A couple of years ago I e-mailed Miata Bob referencing what would be
>>the maximum wheel weight for a Miata.
>>
>>His recommendation was the less weight the better, but no more than 35
>>lbs. wheel/tire combo at each corner.
>
> In that case, Mazda itself probably exceeded the recommendation with the
> 18 lb 2002 SE wheel, or at least was right on it. The lowest 16" tires
> in the table on miata.net are 18 lb.
>
> Norman H Garrett III, in his "Mazda Miata Performance Handbook", noted
> that one popular 15" wheel-tire combo weighted 48 lb, and that while
> this was a substantial performance and ride penalty, it will not bother
> everyone as a price to pay for good looks. In short, nobody doubts
> that lighter is better, but what you want to accept depends on your
> tolerance level.
>
> Not that I would touch 48 lb wheel-tire combos myself with a 10 ft
> pole, of course.
>
> Leon
> --
> Leon van Dommelen Bozo, the White 96 Sebring Miata .)
> http://www.dommelen.net/miata
> EXIT THE INTERSTATES (Jamie Jensen)

Ya, the Heliums that Lanny mentioned seem to be the 'hole in one' with being
inexpensive, light weight and not at all bad looking! Anyone know of a
vendor doing a package deal?

Chris
99BBB (40lbs/corner :-()

"Christopher Muto" > wrote in message
news:Y%Ewf.1772$%W3.749@trndny07...
> Thanks for all the responses.
>
> I spoke to BF Goodrich (not Bridgestone as previously stated in error) and
> learned that the Traction T/A 185/60/14 weighs 19.29lbs. That means 32lbs
> per wheel when paired up with the SportEdition DS, or 35.5lbs per wheel
> when paired up with the Borbet Type CA. If I just look at the total
> weight of the Borbet and the SportEdition I do see a 10% weight
> differential, but that is also just 3.5lbs. It seems to me that it
> probably won't make a difference to me one way or the other between these
> two. On the other hand if I am willing to make the extra effort and pay
> the extra expense to get the Konig Helium's (which are 15" and not sold
> bundled with tires mounted and balanced as far as i know - hence my
> comment regarding effort) or something even more expensive...
>
> Thanks again for all the comments.
>
>
> "Leon van Dommelen" > wrote in message
> ...
>> "CGLee" > wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>Christopher Muto wrote:
>>>> I am looking for a new set of wheels and tires for my '95 and can't
>>>> find any
>>>> OEM one locally for a reasonable price. I don't really care if they
>>>> are 14"
>>>> or 15" and am planning on putting Falken Ziex's on them or perhaps
>>>> Bridgestone Traction TA's... Meaning that I am not looking to the
>>>> ultimate
>>>> in performance, but rather a very good value. Tirerack has some wheels
>>>> that
>>>> I like but many they are quite heavy. The 14" OEM wheels weight in at
>>>> about
>>>> 11-11.5lbs (13lbs for the '99 14"). The 15" OEM are 13lbs. Tirerack
>>>> has
>>>> the SportEdition D5 that weights 12.8/15.4lbs for 14/15" respectively.
>>>> And
>>>> the Borbet CA weights 16lbs for the 14" (15" not listed). These wheels
>>>> are
>>>> under $70 each. I like the styling of the Borbet CA's and think it
>>>> provides
>>>> a modern look that still manages to reflect the roaster spirit with its
>>>> spokes. I also think that the painted finish on the Borbet is higher
>>>> quality and doesn't look cheap like the Sport Editions. But if I go
>>>> with
>>>> the Borbet CA am I going to regret the added weight? Or should I
>>>> forget
>>>> about looks and just go for the price/weight leader of the 9.3lb Kosei
>>>> K-1
>>>> TS at $119 each? All comments welcome, I can take it
>>>> Thank you.
>>>>
>>>> http://www.miata.net/faq/wheel_weights.html
>>>
>>>
>>>Chris,
>>>
>>>A couple of years ago I e-mailed Miata Bob referencing what would be
>>>the maximum wheel weight for a Miata.
>>>
>>>His recommendation was the less weight the better, but no more than 35
>>>lbs. wheel/tire combo at each corner.
>>
>> In that case, Mazda itself probably exceeded the recommendation with the
>> 18 lb 2002 SE wheel, or at least was right on it. The lowest 16" tires
>> in the table on miata.net are 18 lb.
>>
>> Norman H Garrett III, in his "Mazda Miata Performance Handbook", noted
>> that one popular 15" wheel-tire combo weighted 48 lb, and that while
>> this was a substantial performance and ride penalty, it will not bother
>> everyone as a price to pay for good looks. In short, nobody doubts
>> that lighter is better, but what you want to accept depends on your
>> tolerance level.
>>
>> Not that I would touch 48 lb wheel-tire combos myself with a 10 ft
>> pole, of course.
>>
>> Leon
>> --
>> Leon van Dommelen Bozo, the White 96 Sebring Miata .)
>> http://www.dommelen.net/miata
>> EXIT THE INTERSTATES (Jamie Jensen)
>
>

I bought a set of Heliums from Good-Win and a set of Toyo TR-1s from online
tire.
Both were on special. The tires may still be on special but I think
Good-Win's sale is finished. It's still worth checking.

"Chris D'Agnolo" > wrote in message
...
> Ya, the Heliums that Lanny mentioned seem to be the 'hole in one' with
being
> inexpensive, light weight and not at all bad looking! Anyone know of a
> vendor doing a package deal?
>
> Chris
> 99BBB (40lbs/corner :-()
>
> "Christopher Muto" > wrote in message
> news:Y%Ewf.1772$%W3.749@trndny07...
> > Thanks for all the responses.
> >
> > I spoke to BF Goodrich (not Bridgestone as previously stated in error)
and
> > learned that the Traction T/A 185/60/14 weighs 19.29lbs. That means
32lbs
> > per wheel when paired up with the SportEdition DS, or 35.5lbs per wheel
> > when paired up with the Borbet Type CA. If I just look at the total
> > weight of the Borbet and the SportEdition I do see a 10% weight
> > differential, but that is also just 3.5lbs. It seems to me that it
> > probably won't make a difference to me one way or the other between
these
> > two. On the other hand if I am willing to make the extra effort and pay
> > the extra expense to get the Konig Helium's (which are 15" and not sold
> > bundled with tires mounted and balanced as far as i know - hence my
> > comment regarding effort) or something even more expensive...
> >
> > Thanks again for all the comments.
> >
> >
> > "Leon van Dommelen" > wrote in message
> > ...
> >> "CGLee" > wrote:
> >>
> >>>
> >>>Christopher Muto wrote:
> >>>> I am looking for a new set of wheels and tires for my '95 and can't
> >>>> find any
> >>>> OEM one locally for a reasonable price. I don't really care if they
> >>>> are 14"
> >>>> or 15" and am planning on putting Falken Ziex's on them or perhaps
> >>>> Bridgestone Traction TA's... Meaning that I am not looking to the
> >>>> ultimate
> >>>> in performance, but rather a very good value. Tirerack has some
wheels
> >>>> that
> >>>> I like but many they are quite heavy. The 14" OEM wheels weight in
at
> >>>> about
> >>>> 11-11.5lbs (13lbs for the '99 14"). The 15" OEM are 13lbs. Tirerack
> >>>> has
> >>>> the SportEdition D5 that weights 12.8/15.4lbs for 14/15"
respectively.
> >>>> And
> >>>> the Borbet CA weights 16lbs for the 14" (15" not listed). These
wheels
> >>>> are
> >>>> under $70 each. I like the styling of the Borbet CA's and think it
> >>>> provides
> >>>> a modern look that still manages to reflect the roaster spirit with
its
> >>>> spokes. I also think that the painted finish on the Borbet is higher
> >>>> quality and doesn't look cheap like the Sport Editions. But if I go
> >>>> with
> >>>> the Borbet CA am I going to regret the added weight? Or should I
> >>>> forget
> >>>> about looks and just go for the price/weight leader of the 9.3lb
Kosei
> >>>> K-1
> >>>> TS at $119 each? All comments welcome, I can take it
> >>>> Thank you.
> >>>>
> >>>> http://www.miata.net/faq/wheel_weights.html
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>Chris,
> >>>
> >>>A couple of years ago I e-mailed Miata Bob referencing what would be
> >>>the maximum wheel weight for a Miata.
> >>>
> >>>His recommendation was the less weight the better, but no more than 35
> >>>lbs. wheel/tire combo at each corner.
> >>
> >> In that case, Mazda itself probably exceeded the recommendation with
the
> >> 18 lb 2002 SE wheel, or at least was right on it. The lowest 16" tires
> >> in the table on miata.net are 18 lb.
> >>
> >> Norman H Garrett III, in his "Mazda Miata Performance Handbook", noted
> >> that one popular 15" wheel-tire combo weighted 48 lb, and that while
> >> this was a substantial performance and ride penalty, it will not bother
> >> everyone as a price to pay for good looks. In short, nobody doubts
> >> that lighter is better, but what you want to accept depends on your
> >> tolerance level.
> >>
> >> Not that I would touch 48 lb wheel-tire combos myself with a 10 ft
> >> pole, of course.
> >>
> >> Leon
> >> --
> >> Leon van Dommelen Bozo, the White 96 Sebring Miata .)
> >> http://www.dommelen.net/miata
> >> EXIT THE INTERSTATES (Jamie Jensen)
> >
> >
>
>

pws > wrote:

>Leon van Dommelen wrote:
>
>> Also, do not forget that wheels are only a small part of unsprung weight.
>> The tires add a lot to it (and tires on a 14" wheel are likely to be many
>> lb lighter than on a 16" one.) The brakes, shocks, and suspension elements
>> add more unsprung weight. Frankly, I doubt whether I would really notice
>> if someone put wheels weighing another 10 lb each on my Miata. I might,
>> but I sure do not guarantee it.
>
>I think that you would notice it. I drove two '96M editions within
>minutes of each other. One car had a new set of RE-71 tires on the 14.5
>Enkeis. The other miata had worn-out Toyos T-1's on the 15" BBS wheels.
>This was probably a bit more than a 10 pound difference, but the feel of
>the two cars was completely different.
>While mine gripped better with the new tires, the other car felt more
>nimble and tossable to a good degree.

That is a good point. What I see are people complaining about the heavier
wheels and tires having less road contact, and transmitting more perturbations
to the car, but tossing all that additional front wheel weight around during
maneuvers might also be a factor.

Though I would think in the above case, the additional tossability might
just be the smaller amount of road adhesion to overcome with the worn tires.

>> How about the 1995 M-Edition BBS at 12 lb and $900 each?
>
>$900.00 each? Is that a typo or is BBS insane?

Some years ago, I asked Trussville about them, and they cited me about
$800 MSR or $650 from them. But then you need wheelcaps, made
from the finest plastic and aluminum, which are $65 each too (from
Trussville, not the dealer.) (I have bought quite a few from Trussville
since they tend to fall off.) That makes it $900 or maybe a bit
more after price increases since then.

> Actually, that would be
>the buyers that are insane.
>Those wheels are nice, but $3600.00 for a set of 15" wheels that are not
>even the best on the market seems WAY, WAY, WAY too high a price to me.
>My SSR's are larger (16X7), weigh almost the exact same, (they would
>weigh another pound or two less than the BBS wheels if the size was the
>same for both), and cost about $350.00 each, which is not inexpensive by
>any means, but $900.00 for any 15 inch wheel is just nuts, unless it is
>made of precious metals.

It is! Pure aluminum! The way I know is that every pothole puts them
out of round. In fact, I would not be surprised if they were made from
pure gold.

Leon
--
Leon van Dommelen Bozo, the White 96 Sebring Miata .)
http://www.dommelen.net/miata
EXIT THE INTERSTATES (Jamie Jensen)