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Old September 2nd 09, 05:22 PM posted to rec.crafts.metalworking,alt.autos,alt.autos.dodge,rec.autos,rec.autos.makers.chrysler
Moi
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Default OT Car won't start

Cross-posted to the groups it should have been posted to in the first
place...

You're welcome.

> Helping neighbor with 1996 Dodge Intrepid. Car quit suddenly while on
> highway. Obviously, it won't start.
>
> Replaced the following: (Auto wrecker lets us return parts for up to 30
> days) (We pulled the parts ourselves)
>
> Cam position sensor
> Crankshaft position sensor
> Coil
> Power train module computer
> Auto Shutdown Relay
>
> We did the above after following all the diagnostics in the Chilton's
> manual. BTW, the wires to both sensors (cam & crankshaft) have the correct
> signal voltage (9 volts) with ignition on. No spark coming to plugs.
>
> Any and all help diagnosing this would be greatly appreciated.
>
> Ivan Vegvary


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  #2  
Old September 2nd 09, 07:09 PM posted to rec.crafts.metalworking,alt.autos,alt.autos.dodge,rec.autos,rec.autos.makers.chrysler
Ivan Vegvary
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Default OT Car won't start


"Moi" > wrote in message
...
> Cross-posted to the groups it should have been posted to in the first
> place...
>
> You're welcome.


Those groups are not available with my Verizon connection. BTW, Verizon
just notified me that as of Sept. 30 they will not support USENET. I did
post to rec.autos.tech initially but have had no replies. This group has
always been kind and has given sage replies.

Thanks,
Ivan Vegvary

  #3  
Old September 2nd 09, 08:36 PM posted to rec.crafts.metalworking,alt.autos,alt.autos.dodge,rec.autos,rec.autos.makers.chrysler
Gunner Asch
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Default OT Car won't start

On Wed, 2 Sep 2009 09:22:25 -0700, Moi > wrote:

>Cross-posted to the groups it should have been posted to in the first
>place...
>
>You're welcome.
>
>> Helping neighbor with 1996 Dodge Intrepid. Car quit suddenly while on
>> highway. Obviously, it won't start.
>>
>> Replaced the following: (Auto wrecker lets us return parts for up to 30
>> days) (We pulled the parts ourselves)
>>
>> Cam position sensor
>> Crankshaft position sensor
>> Coil
>> Power train module computer
>> Auto Shutdown Relay
>>
>> We did the above after following all the diagnostics in the Chilton's
>> manual. BTW, the wires to both sensors (cam & crankshaft) have the correct
>> signal voltage (9 volts) with ignition on. No spark coming to plugs.
>>
>> Any and all help diagnosing this would be greatly appreciated.
>>
>> Ivan Vegvary



Moi = Me in spanish. Which simply shows in his posts what a self
centered ****** he is turning out to be.

When we need a "baby sitter", we will pay for one. So **** off.

Gunner

"Somewhere a True Believer is training to kill you. He is training with
minimum food or water,in austere conditions, day and night. The only thing
clean on him is his weapon. He doesn't worry about what workout to do---
his rucksack weighs what it weighs, and he runs until the enemy stops chasing him.
The True Believer doesn't care 'how hard it is'; he knows he either wins or he dies.
He doesn't go home at 1700; he is home. He knows only the 'Cause.' Now, who wants to quit?"

NCOIC of the Special Forces Assessment and Selection Course in a welcome speech to new SF candidates
  #4  
Old September 2nd 09, 10:21 PM posted to rec.crafts.metalworking,alt.autos.dodge,rec.autos.makers.chrysler
rangerssuck
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On Sep 2, 2:09*pm, "Ivan Vegvary" > wrote:
> "Moi" > wrote in message
>
> ...
>
> > Cross-posted to the groups it should have been posted to in the first
> > place...

>
> > You're welcome.

>
> Those groups are not available with my Verizon connection. *BTW, Verizon
> just notified me that as of Sept. 30 they will not support USENET. *I did
> post to rec.autos.tech initially but have had no replies. *This group has
> always been kind and has given sage replies.
>
> Thanks,
> Ivan Vegvary


You can get to all (most, anyway) of usenet through http://groups.google.com
  #5  
Old September 2nd 09, 10:41 PM posted to rec.crafts.metalworking,alt.autos,alt.autos.dodge,rec.autos,rec.autos.makers.chrysler
Bill Putney
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Default OT Car won't start

Moi wrote:
> Cross-posted to the groups it should have been posted to in the first
> place...
>
> You're welcome.
>
>> Helping neighbor with 1996 Dodge Intrepid. Car quit suddenly while on
>> highway. Obviously, it won't start.
>>
>> Replaced the following: (Auto wrecker lets us return parts for up to 30
>> days) (We pulled the parts ourselves)
>>
>> Cam position sensor
>> Crankshaft position sensor
>> Coil
>> Power train module computer
>> Auto Shutdown Relay
>>
>> We did the above after following all the diagnostics in the Chilton's
>> manual. BTW, the wires to both sensors (cam & crankshaft) have the correct
>> signal voltage (9 volts) with ignition on. No spark coming to plugs.
>>
>> Any and all help diagnosing this would be greatly appreciated.
>>
>> Ivan Vegvary

>


Did you check something very basic like: Did the timing belt break? BTW
- throw the Chilton's manual away. FSM is the only way to go.

--
Bill Putney
(To reply by e-mail, replace the last letter of the alphabet in my
address with the letter 'x')
  #6  
Old September 3rd 09, 03:49 AM posted to rec.crafts.metalworking,alt.autos,alt.autos.dodge,rec.autos,rec.autos.makers.chrysler
technomaNge
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Default OT Car won't start

Ivan Vegvary wrote:
>
> Those groups are not available with my Verizon connection. BTW, Verizon
> just notified me that as of Sept. 30 they will not support USENET. I
> did post to rec.autos.tech initially but have had no replies. This
> group has always been kind and has given sage replies.
>
> Thanks,
> Ivan Vegvary



I'm happy with the text only groups and my Motzarella account.

Looks like the name has changed, try http://www.eternal-september.org
to get started. You must register, but it is free.


technomaNge
--
A lot of people think I need anger management...
I say "**** them." (Jesse James, Monster Garage)
  #7  
Old September 3rd 09, 05:27 AM posted to rec.crafts.metalworking,alt.autos,alt.autos.dodge,rec.autos,rec.autos.makers.chrysler
bllsht[_2_]
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Default OT Car won't start

On Wed, 02 Sep 2009 17:41:30 -0400, Bill Putney >
wrote:

>Moi wrote:
>> Cross-posted to the groups it should have been posted to in the first
>> place...
>>
>> You're welcome.
>>
>>> Helping neighbor with 1996 Dodge Intrepid. Car quit suddenly while on
>>> highway. Obviously, it won't start.
>>>
>>> Replaced the following: (Auto wrecker lets us return parts for up to 30
>>> days) (We pulled the parts ourselves)
>>>
>>> Cam position sensor
>>> Crankshaft position sensor
>>> Coil
>>> Power train module computer
>>> Auto Shutdown Relay
>>>
>>> We did the above after following all the diagnostics in the Chilton's
>>> manual. BTW, the wires to both sensors (cam & crankshaft) have the correct
>>> signal voltage (9 volts) with ignition on. No spark coming to plugs.


They call that diagnostics? Looks more like the shotgun approach, and
with junkyard parts no less...

Did you try pulling codes before you started throwing parts at it?
With all your f*ing around, there's probably a lot of codes that you
shouldn't believe. Clear the codes (disconnect the battery), then
re-connect and crank it for at least 10 seconds. Then see what codes
you get.

As for the crank and cam sensors, the PCM supplies 8 volts to power
the sensors, and a ground. The signal circuit is a 5 volt pull up
from the PCM that the sensor will pull to near zero volts depending on
whether it's looking at a slot or the metal between slots on the flex
plate or cam sprocket.

With the sensors disconnectedand key on, you should have 8v, 5v, and
ground at the harness connector.

>>>
>>> Any and all help diagnosing this would be greatly appreciated.
>>>
>>> Ivan Vegvary

>>

>
>Did you check something very basic like: Did the timing belt break? BTW
>- throw the Chilton's manual away. FSM is the only way to go.


Ditto. Chilton manuals are chit. You'll want the service manual AND
the powertrain diagnostic manual.

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Old September 18th 09, 06:45 PM posted to rec.crafts.metalworking,alt.autos,alt.autos.dodge,rec.autos,rec.autos.makers.chrysler
Bob F
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Default OT Car won't start

technomaNge wrote:
> Ivan Vegvary wrote:
>>
>> Those groups are not available with my Verizon connection. BTW,
>> Verizon just notified me that as of Sept. 30 they will not support
>> USENET. I did post to rec.autos.tech initially but have had no
>> replies. This group has always been kind and has given sage replies.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Ivan Vegvary

>
>
> I'm happy with the text only groups and my Motzarella account.
>
> Looks like the name has changed, try http://www.eternal-september.org
> to get started. You must register, but it is free.


And they filter a lot of the trash.


  #9  
Old September 18th 09, 08:05 PM posted to rec.crafts.metalworking,alt.autos,alt.autos.dodge,rec.autos,rec.autos.makers.chrysler
Rich Grise[_2_]
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On Fri, 18 Sep 2009 10:45:20 -0700, Bob F wrote:
> technomaNge wrote:
>> Ivan Vegvary wrote:
>>>
>>> Those groups are not available with my Verizon connection. BTW,
>>> Verizon just notified me that as of Sept. 30 they will not support
>>> USENET. I did post to rec.autos.tech initially but have had no
>>> replies. This group has always been kind and has given sage replies.

>>
>> I'm happy with the text only groups and my Motzarella account.
>>
>> Looks like the name has changed, try http://www.eternal-september.org to
>> get started. You must register, but it is free.

>
> And they filter a lot of the trash.


I was pleased that they carry a couple of pertinent alt.* groups, notably
alt.os.linux.slackware, and alt.binaries.schematics.electronic, which kind
of surprised me because it's a real, live binaries group. :-)

No 'pr0n', but I'm pretty satisfied with my existing 'pr0n' collection. ;-)

Cheers!
Rich

 




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